Ich

I did not slam someone for not having a QT tank. I did however point out that proper QT procedures have been shown as a way to prevent introducing parasites to a tank. If your fish have shown up with the ich parasite I'm afraid it is because you introduced it to your tank during some point. If it only showed up now it isn't that it wasn't there before but most likely something has weakened your fish that it is just now showing up to your eye. I do stand by what I said earlier...proper use of a QT tank will prevent spreading parasites...and that includes QT everything that goes in your tank.
 
i would agree with grins here... Ich can be introuced many ways. It has stages of it's life cycle where it is free swimming, where it is latched on to fish, and even when it is in the substrate/live rock. Buying a fish from a tank with another sick one could have done it. Buying live rock from a tank with sick fish is even a possibility (although less common...). However, no method is completly fail-safe. There are flaws but QTing with hypo or copper is one of if not THE best thing we can do to prevent it from appearing in our display tanks.
I also agree that there is almost always space for a QT tank. As someone who works in a fish store, though, it is seeminly impossible to convince people this. All you need is a rubbermaid container (heck, a bucket even), something for some water movement, a heater, and some live rock or PVC if you are dosing copper or any other harmful treatment. It's not like it has to sit in the middle of the living room floor either. The backroom, a spare room, closet, basement, attic (the last two depending on the time of year and temperature), or anywhere else out of site. But there are many people who just wont do this method.
I would also not advise putting inverts in a hyposaline solution. They cannot compensate for osmotic pressures as well as fish can. 1.012 is still on the much higher side for hypo treatments, which is usually recomended to be at 1.009. But they can still DEFINATLY and easily die at that level. It is not something I would expose them to at all, nevermind long term.
And one more hypo trick for any of you starting. I have heard that ich can also have a cyst stage where it remains dormant if there are no signs of fish in the water. If you feed your tank, the oils form the food will (hopefully) trick the ich into hatching and then dying once again.
 
I wouldnt worry about the ick, i would be more concerned about what stressed the fish enough for it to show. If you've had the tank for a while and added nothing then the ick has been in there for a while, if your fish are healthy and happy their immune systems can handle it and they should be ok I would guess something else (like water quality) has put stress on them so now they arent able to handle the ick and its showing up.
Also, parasites, bacteria and viruses dont always come from you livestock - be carful about about the quality and source of your food
 
Ich has two cycles - the active phase on the fish that you see and a dormant/reproduction phase where it falls off and settles in the water column and on substrate. Ive read about people treating their fish by raising the temp in a qt tank to the high 80s/low90s which speeds up the ichs life cycle, then moving the fish out once the ich enters the dormant phase and falls off. The problem is without a 3rd tank, clean tank to recover in the stressed, weak fish will probably just become reinfected once he returns to the main tank
 
I'm more of the 4 stage camp such as this graphic illustrates:

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However, I'm not certain that Kevin has verified it is ich yet.
 
wow nice chart, thats much more accurate - i just read about it in terms treating the fish by speeding up the 'active on your fish phase' and then moving him during the 'falling off not on your fish phase'
 
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