Ich's alive!???

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Apr 19, 2008
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My fish have been ich free for the last 2 weeks... that is they've been visibly ich free. I treated the tank by getting the temperature up to 83* and the salt up a little over 2tsp/gallon... and after seeing no ich on the fish for a full 2-3 days I began counting down 2 weeks to make sure the ich was dead and gone. But today, as I was doing my weekly 50% pwc, I noticed floating up from the gravel (but not all the way up the tube/out of the tank unfortunately) what looked to be maybe a dozen specs of salt. Is there still ich in my tank!? And is it something to worry about? Any chance they're just corpses? Do I need to get the salt back up to 2tsp/gallon and get the temperature even higher than 83*... perhaps to 85* and keep the salt and temperature up there for another week or more???

I was very careful in measuring out that I'd have at least 2 tsp/gallon of salt and that the temperature was always at 83-84* over the initial 3-4 days of treatment and then the 2 weeks afterward... could the ich have survived? I haven't seen any on the fish for 2 weeks and a couple days now, so I don't think that's it... but those specs look just like the ones that used to be on my cories!

I couldn't get them out with my regular gravel vacuum or my python... should I do another small pwc tomorrow (I only see them when the gravel tube sucks them up an inch or two above the gravel) and do whatever it takes to scoop the specs out... and hope that's the end of it- or is there something else I need to do? Again, the fish have seemed perfectly fine for a couple weeks now and I have seen absolutely 0 ich on any of them for just as long- and I've been watching them closely.

For reference and future planning, it's a 36 gallon bow front stocked with 3 dwarf platy (and there were 2 fry but I think they've been eaten) and 3 peppered cory cats. I'm running an AC70 filter, Stealth 150W heater, and a whisper 20 air pump with 2 stones in the tank. It's decorated with smooth natural gravel, one large and one small piece of driftwood, some plastic and silk aquarium plants. I've got some other silk and plastic plants I've been planning on adding once the ich is done, as well as a slate cave... and over the next 4-5 weeks I've been hoping to remove the platy and return them to their 10 gallon and to add 2-3 more peppered cory cats to get them to a decent little school, 7 lemon tetras, 1 angelfish, 1 german blue ram, and 4 oto. For the last 2 weeks my water tests have been great, 0 ammonia, 0 nitrite, 8-12 nitrate, and a steady pH of 8.3.

Sorry for writing a novella, again... I'm trying to do things right, and am quite perturbed since I thought all was well since I'd seen 0 ich and had perfect water tests for the last 2 weeks, and was ready to start stocking at last.
 
i'd hold off on the stocking another couple weeks just to make sure. i personnally think that the ich is dead if you have not seen any on your fish in 2 weeks and that you are probably right to suspect that if the 'salt' looking things in the tank are ich that they'd be dead. My tank has little things in the subterate like that too, that just don't get sucked up by the gravel vac. i have no clue what they are but they don't seem to be harming anyone so i leave them... be careful weaning the salt out of the tank. the fish can go into shock if they go from 2tbs/g to none.
 
I did a 50% pwc last weekend that got the salt down to ~1 tsp/gallon... and after the 50% pwc today it should be around .5tsp/gallon... they've been acting perfectly fine so I don't think they're having any issues. The only thing any of them is doing differently is one of the female platy (2f, 1m) has been hiding under the driftwood a little bit more the last 2 days. They're all active, eating as they should, and seem to be perfectly content. I just really want to make sure everything is fine before I start adding the fish I'm planning on keeping in the tank.
 
I agree you should hold off a bit before adding new fish to the tank. Do you have a QT tank? If you do you could get the fish you want and keep them in the QT tank for a couple weeks, while keeping an eye on your main tank. Also the stuff you saw that looked like salt, well maybe it was salt. If you added it to the tank for treatment, that very well may of been what it was.
 
What I saw in the gravel today definitely is not salt... the salt I added was API aquarium salt which is larger pieces, not grains, and I made sure to dissolve all the salt in buckets of water before adding it.. I don't have a QT tank (my wife forced me to make it a guppy tank) but I am willing to wait to get the new fish until I've figured out what these specs are and if there's an issue with the tank. Thanks for trying to help, I'd really like to know if I have a reason to freak out or not.
 
Hmm, well I really do not know...I haven't dealt with Ick. I'm sure someone will chime in though and let you know more from their experiences. For now, I would try not worry toooo much, if everyone seems to be fine.
 
You can't see free living ich parasites. They're too small. It's only the cysts on the fish you can see. Whatever you're seeing, it isn't ich.
 
I'm still really a newbie, but I think you're ok. I think the "grain of salt" isn't the ich parasite itself, but a kind of sore that forms on the fish's skin as a result of being bitten by the parasite.
Here's two quotes from other online sources: "The classic characteristic of an 'Ich' infection is the presence of small white pustules (pimplelike bodies) on the skin and fins"; and "The trophozites are found in pustules on the fish. This is what we, as aquarists, see as the white spots. . . . These trophozites mature, and escape when the pustules rupture."
I believe that the stage that encysts in the gravel is neither visible, nor would it still look like a grain of salt if it were.
I hope that sets your mind at ease. I battled ich once, about a half a year ago now, but I was paranoid for months after treatment over every vague, white-looking mark that seemed to be on my fish. No fun:headshake2:
 
I would wait for another couple of weeks.

I also don't feel what you saw was ich. Just continue with good gravel vacs.
 
I really didn't think it could be ich in my gravel either, because of the life-cycle and all that jazz meaning that the ich wouldn't be visible at that point and that it only looks like salt while on the fish, and I hadn't seen it on the fish for 2 weeks. The specks just look exactly like grains of salt and I can't think of what they could possibly be...

I would wait for another couple of weeks.

I also don't feel what you saw was ich. Just continue with good gravel vacs.

Wait another couple weeks with the temperature up at 82 and salt at near 2tsp/gallon... or wait another couple weeks before changing my stock? I'm assuming you mean the latter, since everything but appearance points to those specks not being ich.
 
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