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I have been reading some very disturbing posts over the past few days, and since this is a beginner's forum, I am not suprised that many people are suffering with typical begginer's problems. The problem that arises though, is improperly setting up an aquarium, having lots of fish die, and thus having to tear it down makes for an aggravating and negative expierence, and in turn many people give up the pursuit of the aquarium hobby altogether.

Keep aquarium fish is really not all that difficult. All it requires is some attention to detail, responsibility, and preserverance. That is really it. Knowing the standards for water, fish compatibility, and a little bit about aquatic nutrition is a requirment too.

First off though, I just want to cover the basics with folks. Spongebob tanks, betta bowels, or anything that does not have a filter, heater, hood, and five or more gallons of water is not the proper tool for keeping any kind of fish. Even the aquarium kits sold by many popular outlets that contain many of the above stated items are often not exactley what a new aquarists needs to keep fish. Second to that, smaller tanks are harder to keep than larger ones, and I would recommend anyone getting into the aquarium hobby for the first time side with a tank no smaller than thirty gallons. Ten gallon aquariums are the worst creation of all time and should be used for no more than hospital or quarentine tanks.

That said lets move onto the next topic - cycling. No I am not talking about the sport in which american athlete Lance Armstrong excels. This process that takes about one month to complete is vital to the health of your aquarium. Fish, like humans, and any living organism for that matter require a symbiotic relationship with bacteria in order to survive. These water born bacteria brake down harmful elements in the water including fish waste, keep the water free of particles that would cause it to become cloudy, and maintain a balance that will allow the fish to survive in a closed enviroment.

Though these bacteria do not form over night, they take weeks and weeks of time to fully accumulate. Here is how to properly set up your new aquarium.

1. Set up the tank and stand.
2. Put down gravel, and under gravel filter (not needed)
3. Insert any plants you may want.
4. Fill aquarium
5. Add Aquaria Sol dose to tank
6. Add Stress Coat dose to tank
7. Add Aqua Safe dose to tank
8. Add any other wanted water maintenance products
9. Let stand with filtration and heat running for 72 hours

- Get 1-2 fish depending on size of tank to start nitrogen cycle. Depending on the tank you plan to set up you can choose a variety of fish to start, although I recommend either a form of tetra, or possibly an african cichlid or two....

More to come later!!
 
The only disturbing posts I've read here in awhile are the ones suggesting that people flush their sick fish down the toilet.
 
macman7010 said:
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1. Set up the tank and stand.
2. Put down gravel, and under gravel filter (not needed)
3. Insert any plants you may want.
4. Fill aquarium
5. Add Aquaria Sol dose to tank
6. Add Stress Coat dose to tank
7. Add Aqua Safe dose to tank
8. Add any other wanted water maintenance products
9. Let stand with filtration and heat running for 72 hours

- Get 1-2 fish depending on size of tank to start nitrogen cycle. Depending on the tank you plan to set up you can choose a variety of fish to start, although I recommend either a form of tetra, or possibly an african cichlid or two....

More to come later!!
Just a few comments. First of all, many come here after getting bad advice from the LFS and realizing something is wrong. Unfortunately most don't do in-depth research beforehand and really have no idea there is so much to research about the hobby. The LFS says fill the tank, let it sit a day or two, add fish. A reasonable person would think a person selling living creatures would have a vague idea how they should be cared for.

I'm not familiar with the particular products you listed, but it seems like a lot. The only thing really needed, if using tap water, is a water conditioner that removes chlorine and chlorimine.

Also, I really don't think there's any reason to suggest using fish to cycle a tank. A fishless cycle is just a better method and isn't really complicated.
 
While I appreciate the intent, I think some important factors are being overlooked.

Test kits are important to have, understand, and use.

Instead of cycling with fish, why not recommend fishless cycling? Then there's no unwanted fish to deal with later, and no fish with burned gills. Not all cichlids are great starter fish anyway, despite being tough, since so many are aggressive and will kill later additions. Many tetras are very sensitive and should not be added until the tank is cycled and stable.

Cycling with plants requires a different method than cycling fishlessly, or even with fish. Putting real plants in and quickly adding ammonia (manually or from fish) is a recipe for algae. Not all setups are appropriate for plants, and many plants commonly available are not appropriate for an aquarium--this is not just a matter of shoving in some greenery.

Why use all those chemicals? They are not needed for most setups, introduce a variety of chemicals which may contribute to other problems. Explain WHY some of these are needed, rather than blanket endorse their use.
 
uh, wouldn't you rather reccommend fishless cycling to start off with, instead of plopping (relatively expensive) african cichlids into a tank?

call me a crazy newbie but a betta in a cycled and properly maintained 2.5 gallon tank (i'm no fan of 2.5 gallon tanks, by the way) is probably better off than a few random fish in a thirty gallon tank having ammonia burn their gills for 6 weeks...

plus doing a fishless cycle is a first step towards understanding water chemistry, which will be a huge part of staying in the hobby long term. why not get started on the process of learning sooner rather than later? it's a first step towards monitoring and maintaining parameters, rather than just waiting for the nitrate test to turn red. i wish i knew enough to do one when i started out :(

i dunno, just my crazy newbie two cents...
 
Please note that any chemicals added to the tank
a) increase the osmotic presure of the water and
b) cause a large hassel to mess with.
c) are (with the exception of certain medications and dechlorinator,) not needed

cycleing is VERY important, and should really be done naturaly. i've supported "cycle," the product that cycles your tank by introducing the dorment versions of the bacteria. experienced hobbyest benfit from it greatly because it is a quick way to do the job that would take months. however someone new to the hobby really should learn the chenestry behind it, so that if a problem should arisem they can infer how to solve it, based on what they learned through there "experiments." New hobbyist often get slightly big headed (please don't flame me i'm not being specific, even to anyone on this forum.) and fail to see that an aquaratist needs to be patient, interested in the hobby and interested in learning more. Therefore i would recomend getting a good book made especially for beginers. "The Simple Guide to Freshwater Aquariums" is and excellent book, and thats what really got me going into the hobby. read your book thourly and keep it for reference. with that said...

excelent post macman7010. you should write an article for the articles section of the forum. just take what you have a beef it up a little. one should also cover the importance of choosing a LFS (local fish shop) it is important to find someone that is sincerly interested in the wellbeing of your fish. unfortunatly many LFS are just out to get your money. i find the best way is to get it is through word of mouth. what i do is pick about five places to go to and "quiz" the clerks on different subjects. i even get family members to help me out. one day i might be a complete beginer and the next a dedicated discus breeder (niether of which i am.) Ask them questions like "gee what is the best substrate for a UGF" and "i have a tank thats caked with algea. how should i remove that." i listen to there answers and cross reference it with what i've read. if your not sure about an answer, feel free to post it on the forum. once i narrow it down, say to about 3 places, then i look at the condition of thier shop. i look for clean tanks and humane packaging techniques. i went to a fish joint (you can't even call it a shop) and the dude that was helping me scooped the fish out of a tank caked with algea and threw them into plastic produce bags (like from the super market.) Then AFTER you figure out if the store is going to be helpful and courtious start deciding based on the selection of fish. Your LFS should be the place you go to for help, in a desprite situation, or some free time on a sunday afternoon. becuase if they don't have the fish in stock that you want, many will special order them for you as long as you pick them up the day there delivered. i hope this helps!
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I think lots of us are here because we know we may be doing something wrong and want to learn to do it the right way. If I get bad advice from the LFS (like I did) then at that time I didn't know any better. I am here because I care about my fish and want them to be happy and healthy.
 
I find a lot of fault with the original post, but won't go into it because it's already been said by other responders. There is tons of information missed that is very important, and I hope newbies read all the stickies and articles that this forum has available for starting off with a tank.

I do want to say, though, that 10 gal tanks make great homes for bettas, and are not just good for QT tanks. Not everyone can afford or has room for 30+gal tanks, and there's nothing wrong with a nice 20 gal, which is what I started out with.
 
aquaguy1331 said:
i've supported "cycle," the product that cycles your tank by introducing the dorment versions of the bacteria. experienced hobbyest benfit from it greatly because it is a quick way to do the job that would take months.

Most experienced hobbyists I know don't use this bottled product. It contains the wrong strain of nitrifiers to truly cycle the tank--the ones introduced will not established themselves in aquaria. The bacteria that live in our tanks do not seem to have a dormant or encysted stage, making bottling them very difficult. Bio-Spira--where available--does seem to introduce the correct culture, but other products have not been proven to do so. Cycle, specifically, also introduces massive amounts of nitrates--not a good thing for most tanks.

Hobbyists that already have established tanks can make an aquarium suitable for fish by simply pulling media from an existing tank, challenging it with ammonia, testing, and adding fish when appropriate. Days, maybe weeks, but certainly not months.
 
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