There is no way we are going to have the Evolution debate again, this time in the Freshwater Newbie forum. Take it to GCC if you can, although I think that the topic will be shut down over there as well, because it's been done to death and the people who don't understand the principles underlying the theory are never going to "get it" as a result of arguments presented in discussion threads, no matter how well-sourced or persuasive.