Is This Gravel ok for most plants?

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I am getting ready to get some plants but this is the gravel I have now. It is slightly larger than the typical aquarium gravel size. See pic. Thanks

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Amber, you can make any gravel work with rooted plants. It should work fine for you. What type of plants do you want to keep? Size of tank? Type of lighting?
 
Amber, you can make any gravel work with rooted plants. It should work fine for you. What type of plants do you want to keep? Size of tank? Type of lighting?
Hello!
Ok so I have a 65 fresh
I am trading an LED Current Orbital Marine 12,000+Ks for an LED Current Satellite Freshwater 7,000 K so I will have the right lighting for the plants that will be coming.
I am just doing research on plants because I know nothing about them. One thing I need would be some taller plants for the back. My tank is 36x24x18 so 24" Tall. My tank is a community tank with fish that are not destructive to plants (digging etc.) So any suggestions on Tall Medium and short plants would be wonderful
 
Large gravel is a bit more difficult to plant in IME. At least with my technique; hold plant with thumb & middle finger, make a trench with index finger. Then put plant roots in trench & backfill to cover roots with index while still holding plant. I plant a bit deep & gently pull up the plant until crown (where roots & leaves meet) is at or ever so slightly above substrate.

Plants like java fern & anubias have a "rhizome" (a sideways stem where both roots & leaves originate). Either can be attached to rock or wood (attached with thread, fishing line or gel super glue), so gravel isn't an issue. But both can be planted as long as the rhizome is NOT buried at all. In this case large gravel can be an advantage, it's easy to put a pebble or 2 on the roots to hold it in place. Both are also low light plants so it won't matter much what lighting you have.

Ground cover plants will be almost impossible with that gravel but they're more difficult in others ways too.

Oh, I see you were typing as I was (& making dinner, lol). A grass like plant I find easy is "Italian spiral vallisneria" & depending on light, some of the "easy stem plants" & java fern "narrow"
 
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Large gravel is a bit more difficult to plant in IME. At least with my technique; hold plant with thumb & middle finger, make a trench with index finger. Then put plant roots in trench & backfill to cover roots with index while still holding plant. I plant a bit deep & gently pull up the plant until crown (where roots & leaves meet) is at or ever so slightly above substrate.

Plants like java fern & anubias have a "rhizome" (a sideways stem where both roots & leaves originate). Either can be attached to rock or wood (attached with thread, fishing line or gel super glue), so gravel isn't an issue. But both can be planted as long as the rhizome is NOT buried at all. In this case large gravel can be an advantage, it's easy to put a pebble or 2 on the roots to hold it in place. Both are also low light plants so it won't matter much what lighting you have.

Ground cover plants will be almost impossible with that gravel but they're more difficult in others ways too.

Oh, I see you were typing as I was (& making dinner, lol). A grass like plant I find easy is "Italian spiral vallisneria" & depending on light, some of the "easy stem plants" & java fern "narrow"

Thank you this has been very helpful. Now when you say ground cover does that include plants that are 4"+? I need some shorter plants as well as fairly tall.
Also as I was browsing these are the plants that caught my eye
Staurogyne repens
Pygmy Chain Sword
Myrio
Micro Sword
Congensis

These are just a few but I don't know if they will work with my gravel situation
Thanks for the recommendations. I am going to look those plants up now :)
 
The big issue with gravel is that you will need to reduce cleaning it, to allow the mulm to build up that will help feed the plants. Gravel wont' provide any nutrients for the plants, so consider fertilizing tabs.

A lot of the low growing plants won't do well without CO2 and with a deep tank. They'll be difficult to establish. Look at some of the smaller crypts--Hobbit variety, for example, stays shorter and will be fine without CO2.
 
Amber, with the plants on your list, like said above, either a deeper bed of what you have, or a finer grained gravel would be easier. What are the dimensions of your 65g? Also like said, the tallness of the tank and footprint can take some careful planning.

Just as an example, but I have a 55g with big bunches of crypts, an amazon sword, a few types of java fern and anubia; I have a 48-60" Current Satellite LED+ fixture over it. The crypts do much better when I dose a glut product for CO2 daily. I also add Seachem trace elements and Seachem comprehensive once a week.
 
Stauro IME is only happy for short term without co2. Small swords might work so may the similar dwarf sagitteria (s. subulata). Sag can grow up to about 8 inches but with enough light tends to grow only 3-4".
I also like crypts, some stay small. But easiest to find are the many wendtii varieties (green, red, brown, mi oya etc). For me they tend to be 4 or 5 inches so not really a ground cover.

Other tall plants to look at are crypts balansae, spiralis & retrospiralis. So called "jungle val" (vallisneria "natans") grows tall 24-30inches & spreads maybe too well but I like it.

I'd suggest getting only a couple plants at a time to see what works for you.
 
The big issue with gravel is that you will need to reduce cleaning it, to allow the mulm to build up that will help feed the plants. Gravel wont' provide any nutrients for the plants, so consider fertilizing tabs.

A lot of the low growing plants won't do well without CO2 and with a deep tank. They'll be difficult to establish. Look at some of the smaller crypts--Hobbit variety, for example, stays shorter and will be fine without CO2.

Thank you for clarifying! Also that makes total sense about letting organic sediment build up for the plant's nutrition. See now that gets confusing though on balancing that and not letting nitrates build. Is that just a delicate balance that one has to learn or are there some tricks of the trade? Granted I know plants will help with nitrates... so like give a little to gain a lot?
 
Plants will eat the nitrogen in any form they can. Heavily planted tanks usually need nitrogen supplemented, and nitrates are the preferred option since they're safer for fish. In truth, in densely planted/lightly stocked tank, nitrates will seldom be detectable. So, it's a balance, but everything about an aquarium is a balance. :) I don't have any tanks that aren't planted. I don't test nitrates, but I do weekly water changes, and stock lightly. In most of my tanks, the plants are...well...jungly. I have a few setups with algae issues, a few with pest snail issues, a few that just need to be redone, but in pretty much all of the tanks, the fish/shrimp are thriving and reproducing...so I don't stress.
 
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