Is this the wrong way to start a new tank?

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Here is the story:

So a week ago in my brackish tank I had an ammonia spike. The tank is maybe a month or two old, but the thing that worries me is that I used mainly water from established aquariums when I set it up so how did I get such a large ammonia spike? At first I wasn't worried but now three of my indian glassfish died and the rest seem distressed. My dragon gobys are getting sluggish and my purple spotted goby is getting passive. My nitrites are very high and I did a large water change (25-33%) and added in stress coat to minimize unnecessary stress.

My filters weren't working properly for about a week. They would run for maybe 3-4 hours a day due to failures. I bought a sponge filter 3 days ago rated up to 40 gallons and placed it on the opposite side of the filter and last night I just put in a new one of the other side and the filter is done now.

If I used water from established tanks, shouldn't my tank be okay for a week with poor filtration?

Now here is the problem: I am taking care of this tank and can lower the nitrite levels, but I set up a lot of temporary five and ten gallon tanks. A while ago, when I was first breeding moscow black and blue guppies I would put the fry from the 10 gallon into the 5 gallon and just use 3 gallons from the 10 gallon and two gallons freshwater. And when I would upgrade I would use all 5 gallons and then add another 5 gallons of freshwater. I don't think I ever had any problems, but this is essentially what I did in my brackish tank.

I am pretty sure that I did something seriously wrong. I figured with established fish water I could move fish into new tanks with no problem (other than a little stress from moving). Did I miss something that messed with the cycle? I know the quickest way to cycle an aquarium that I have found online takes 4 weeks, but if I have a lot of other tanks is there any quicker way I could just add in old filter media and old fish water and have a near instant cycled fish tank?

I plan on raising a lot of fry, making breeding tanks and acclimating brackish fish sold as freshwater to brackish and this would mean a lot of temporary tanks. So I am hoping this would be faster than the 4 week ammonia dropping method.
 
Using tank water from a cycled tank does nothing to help start a new tank. You need to transfer existing filter media or gravel/sand/etc. from a cycled tank instead. Your beneficial bacteria colonizes on solid things and surfaces.
 
:iagree: Kash is right on.
 
So I could use gravel, filter media and some water from a main tank to colonize the bacteria in a new tank. How long does this take before fish can be added?
I wouldn't even bother using old water. If you're using established filter media, you can probably add a small bioload right away. This is how I've always established new tanks. Putting some of the old gravel in the main tank can only help.

Keep in mind that if you move established media then don't feed it ammonia, the bacterial colony will die and you'll be back at square 1.
 
So I could use gravel, filter media and some water from a main tank to colonize the bacteria in a new tank. How long does this take before fish can be added?

Well, leave out the "and some water" part and it'll work better, Industrial. Old tank water may seem like a helpful idea... in reality, it's just dirty water. You're better off using clean, fresh, dechlorinated tap water. Transfer the gravel and existing filter media (only rinsing that in tank water).

Transferring the gravel and filter media from another tank like that can give you a near "instant" cycle. All you have to do to make sure is set it up and check the parameters using a (reliable) test kit. If everything stays stable for a few days.. add the new fish right away and just monitor the levels doing some spot checks every few days or so. At best, you really will have an instant cycle.. or one that's stable in just a day or two. And at worst.. the tank will go through a "mini-cycle."

As long as you transfer over enough media and gravel to support the same bioload as the new stock produces.. you won't have to cycle anything at all.
 
Using old substrate and filter media isn't "instant". But it does start you with a large enough bacterial colony that it will usually stabilize within a few days... and the ammonia/nitrite spikes that you may get during that time will be easily controlled with water changes and/or Prime.
 
Using tank water from a cycled tank does nothing to help start a new tank. You need to transfer existing filter media or gravel/sand/etc. from a cycled tank instead. Your beneficial bacteria colonizes on solid things and surfaces.

Totally agree, the water isn't going to effect anything. Transferring filter media works great.
 
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