It's the ammonia....

Well we are also just starting our fishless tank and what WE did was we got the ammonia up to 5 ppms and then EVERY DAY we have added 5 drops of ammonia as we go....(for our 26 gallon tank) at this point our nitrites are off the charts and so are our nitrates....Our ammonia is at ZERO - but we are still feeding the tank with the ammonia drops... I think what you did was you only added the ammonia twice - you should have gotten your ammonia up and kept adding a few drops of ammonia every day....
 
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Well we are also just starting our fishless tank and what WE did was we got the ammonia up to 5 ppms and then EVERY DAY we have added 5 drops of ammonia as we go....(for our 26 gallon tank) at this point our nitrites are off the charts and so are our nitrates....Our ammonia is at ZERO - but we are still feeding the tank with the ammonia drops... I think what you did was you only added the ammonia twice - you should have gotten your ammonia up and kept adding a few drops of ammonia every day....

There are two different ways of doing a fishless cycle- one adds ammonia other day, the other adds ammonia only at the beginning to a certain level (4-5) and then waits for it to fall watching the nitrites and nitrates rise. In this method you only add ammonia when it falls near 0- not every day. In some cases, if you initially add it to 4 and then add ammonia every day, you will get it so high that it will kill off any chance of bacteria growing....Since I wasn't sure of how much my ammonia would change the ppm each time I added it when I started, I chose the second method.
 
I do wish someone could help me figure out why my ammonia never drops. Still at 1-2 here. Isn't the ammonia dropping to 0 supposed to be the SHORT part of the cycle?!
 
Well, I'm pretty much at my wits end trying to figure out why my nitrites are 0 after spiking but nothing ever happens to the ammonia. According to what I read, nitrates are signaling an end to the cycle but that the ammonia should be 0 as well. Well, that doesn't seem to be working. I'm going to do water changes until my ammonia and nitrates are 0 and get some fish and add another bottle of TSS. No one seems to be able to help me.
 
I would still buy a new api ammonia test kit to be safe. I didn't do a fishless cycle when I first started, but since then I have put a new filter on my existing tank and let it run for a month and then put it on my new tank and added fish. I do understand your frustration though.
 
what it sounds like to me is a stalled cycle. perhaps your ammonia kit isn't accurate and there was a time where the ammonia dropped to zero for too long while the bacteria colonies were establishing and the bacteria died off to a point to cause the cycle to restart. that would explain the ammonia present and the nitrates present (since nitrates don't leave the water unless we do water changes).

as suggested, pick up a new ammonia test. keep an eye on ammonia and nitrite levels and keep the ammonia dosed at around 4 ppm (higher than 5 ppm and you risk hurting the bacteria with too much ammonia). let us know in a week what the stats are.

hope that helped!
 
I don't think it's possible the ammonia could have been 0 long enough for everything to die since I test at LEAST once a day but I do think that somehow the stupid cycle stalled. I now have a few fish in there and I still have 0.5 ppm of ammonia, but treating with prime daily and doing water changes daily. I'm hoping they'll do fine- as they seem to be so far!
 
daily Prime will keep that ammonia in the safe form of ammonium.

i`m still wondering why your tapwater is reading 1 ppm ammonia though.... that`s really high IMO.
 
If your tap water reads ammonia then you will likely never get the ammonia to read 0. One thing you could do is to buy a jug of drinking water from the grocery store. It costs about 30 cents a gallon after you put a deposit on the 5 gallon jug but at least you will know that the water is good. You also could look into a reverse osmosis water system for a cheaper source of water, makes great drinking water as a side benefit.

I don't know the exact science behind the ammonia in your water but there is a form of ammonia that is not free in the water, it is captured by some means and therefore is not able to be processed by the bacteria. It is always present but evidently is not in a toxic form. Like I said, I am no expert so you may want to start a new thread asking about ammonia in tap water.

It is my opinion that your tank is probably cycled now even though the ammonia still shows on the test. For you, that .5 of ammonia may mean 0 if you continue to use that water source. During the summer months your tap water may not contain ammonia, many cities water changes during the winter.
 
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