how about caso4 commonly used in gh booster? i wonder... would that be more cost effective (or even useful) in the longrun than tums?
KNO3 vs CaNO3: Planted EI dosed Invert Tank
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Most of it does, especially if you are coming from a limestone aquifer. I don't know the levels of Ca invertz need, but I guess that tap water has it.
we feed calcium rich food to snails to better their shells, so there cant really be enough in the water. I am enjoying the discussion....keep going.
Why would a shrimp need more Ca++ than say a plant or a fish?
They all need fair amounts.
Where do you get your Ca++?
From the Ca++ dust in the air? :evil_lol:
From the food you eat mostly.
Same with fish, shrimp etc.
Plants will take Ca++ from the water and from the sediment.
I'd not worry and make life tougher for yourself there.
I have high grades, fires and CRS's, and more RCS than I know what to do with short of using them for feeders. I feed them shelled peas and Spirulina sticks, eg like Ken's :
http://www.kensfish.com/kenssticks.html
Like with food you eat, look at the ingredients labeling.
MSG? WTH?? I have no clue why Hikari and other brands add that junk to fish foods.
You can compare ingredients easily and then decide which one looks good and cost the least. Marketing of so called special shrimp food @ very high $$$ is quite the rage and I've been on a war path:swear:
It's similar to name brands vs the generic KNO3 powder.
You pay a lot for water.......with a tiny bit of ferts with the commercial brands. Same type of thing here.
Regards,
Tom Barr
They all need fair amounts.
Where do you get your Ca++?
From the Ca++ dust in the air? :evil_lol:
From the food you eat mostly.
Same with fish, shrimp etc.
Plants will take Ca++ from the water and from the sediment.
I'd not worry and make life tougher for yourself there.
I have high grades, fires and CRS's, and more RCS than I know what to do with short of using them for feeders. I feed them shelled peas and Spirulina sticks, eg like Ken's :
http://www.kensfish.com/kenssticks.html
Like with food you eat, look at the ingredients labeling.
MSG? WTH?? I have no clue why Hikari and other brands add that junk to fish foods.
You can compare ingredients easily and then decide which one looks good and cost the least. Marketing of so called special shrimp food @ very high $$$ is quite the rage and I've been on a war path:swear:
It's similar to name brands vs the generic KNO3 powder.
You pay a lot for water.......with a tiny bit of ferts with the commercial brands. Same type of thing here.
Regards,
Tom Barr
I do not even pretend to be anything near a chemist. School was a long time ago... 
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That being said, I'm in agreement with Tom re: feeding calcium rich veggies and/or enhanced snello will provide Ca. For water, I believe the concern is soft/acidic water eroding the shells of our snails. In that vein, I'd think inverts wouldn't mind gh booster...
Okay, my $.02 which hopefully made sense!
Didn't answer coach_z's initial question, tho... Sorry.
:That being said, I'm in agreement with Tom re: feeding calcium rich veggies and/or enhanced snello will provide Ca. For water, I believe the concern is soft/acidic water eroding the shells of our snails. In that vein, I'd think inverts wouldn't mind gh booster...
Okay, my $.02 which hopefully made sense!
Didn't answer coach_z's initial question, tho... Sorry.
I would think this is a better way to go...especially for a planted EI dosed tank, there should be plenty of Ca in there. No need to add more Ca, plus the food probably has plenty.
but tom, that just makes too much sense to try. 
why go with the direct delivery system (eating) when we could dissolve it into the entire tank and hope they respire it all out of concentration?
i think we all knew better... but it was fun making absolutely no sense for a bit. thanks coach.:
side note... check out the chemistry section here... http://www.khanacademy.org/
why go with the direct delivery system (eating) when we could dissolve it into the entire tank and hope they respire it all out of concentration?i think we all knew better... but it was fun making absolutely no sense for a bit. thanks coach.
:side note... check out the chemistry section here... http://www.khanacademy.org/
thought you'd like that. you're welcome.Wow, Dun that link is awesome - thank you!
but tom, that just makes too much sense to try.
i think we all knew better... but it was fun making absolutely no sense for a bit. thanks coach.
Common sense is the first fatality for every myth.
My KH is about 1 and the GH is around 2-3, hardly "hard water".
I've never seen any evidence of a Ca++ limited plant or snail.
Regards,
Tom Barr
