Kois and salt

I agree with sup on everything accept the brackish mollies. Wild mollies can be found in everything from fresh to full marine conditions. Captive bred molies have been bred in freshwater over the course of many generations. While readily adaptable to many conditions, it is best to keep them in pure freshwater(no salt) with a high GH/kh. The added salt actually will replicate hard water in a way, but isn't the best for them.
 
Hmm... ok I agree with the fact that kois and goldfish shouldn't be housed with mollies. They have different temperature requirements. I also agree that kois and goldfish need a larger tank or volume of water.. maybe a pond as someone had suggested. And mollies will also do well in freshwater (w/o salt i mean). Ive seen mollies reach 5+ inches in pure freshwater and they breed like crazy as usual.

And stop being rude will you? Fishcatch was just trying to help you.
 
sumthin fishy said:
I agree with sup on everything accept the brackish mollies. Wild mollies can be found in everything from fresh to full marine conditions. Captive bred molies have been bred in freshwater over the course of many generations. While readily adaptable to many conditions, it is best to keep them in pure freshwater(no salt) with a high GH/kh. The added salt actually will replicate hard water in a way, but isn't the best for them.
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Fishy is correct, of course.

It's a high GH and KH that mollies "need" and koi and goldfish also do well in that type of water. Adding just salt does diddley-squat for duplicating those conditions -- it will screw up their osmoregularity in the long run, which has already been pointed out.

Not even going to comment on the koi and goldfish since everyone has already covered it.

Roan
 
my kois are extremely happy and healthy, and they can get much larger than 2 ft. they are not in the same tank as any tropical fish, I have a separate one. All my fish are extremely happy so get a life loosers:P
and the people that helped me, thank you, I appreciate the advice:)
 
Roan Art said:
Fishy is correct, of course.

It's a high GH and KH that mollies "need" and koi and goldfish also do well in that type of water. Adding just salt does diddley-squat for duplicating those conditions -- it will screw up their osmoregularity in the long run, which has already been pointed out.

Not even going to comment on the koi and goldfish since everyone has already covered it.

Roan
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lol @ this. do keep mollys? mine just "gave birth" in soft acidic water (ph 6.5 / kh 6). heavily planted, high tech tank with c02 ppm in the 60s.

table salt is nothing like marine salt; lol @ using that.
 
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attack11 said:
lol @ this. do keep mollys? mine just "gave birth" in soft acidic water (ph 6.5 / kh 6). heavily planted, high tech tank with c02 ppm in the 60s.
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roan used the "parenthises" arround "need" because they are really adaptable and can do well in various conditions. I usually try to find what is best for the fish and keep them in that, but some folks don't care quite as much, and with fish like mollies It's not as detrimental to thier health.


table salt is nothing like marine salt; lol @ using that.
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The "freshwater aquarium salt" sold at petstores in in escence coarse table salt. It is actually quite useful in short term tratments for disease or injury. Unfortunatly, a myth has been perpetuated that it can be used regularly as some kind of prevent all miracle tonic.
 
sure us humans use salt also for treating imfections and the like. its great stuff altogether, if you have an ulcer or a sore throat or something. the best thing for ich!! my lil tetras had it a few days ago, after two days of treatment all their spots were gone, still treating for another while though just to make sure.
i just use regular table salt for that. does the trick and no stress!
 
you might want to check your attitude. YOU are the one who came here for help, YOU are the one who is an ameture, and YOU have no right to speak like that to any of us. i don't know where you got your information, but you are WRONG and you need to get over yourself. if you were acting like that to me in person, i would slap you right in the face. you are being a stupid little b*tch and you have no right to talk down to anyone here.

your koi and goldfish will get stunted in a 65g tank. it will be very difficult to keep the water clean with fish that large, and they will die prematurely. i don't think you understand what happens when i fish becomes stunted. their outsides stop growing, but their insides don't. eventually their intestines rupture. its a very greusom and cruel death. koi can easily live for 80 years and some have been recorded as living to 150+ years. besides that, they were never bred to be viewed from the side as in an aquarium. for centuries they have been selectively bred to be viewed from above, as in a pond.
 
Jentry said:
sure us humans use salt also for treating imfections and the like. its great stuff altogether, if you have an ulcer or a sore throat or something. the best thing for ich!! my lil tetras had it a few days ago, after two days of treatment all their spots were gone, still treating for another while though just to make sure.
i just use regular table salt for that. does the trick and no stress!
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SIGH... (shakes head) I just don't know why some people don't take polite advice...
 
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