Kribensis behavior?

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I bought what was supposedly a breeding pair of Kribensis for my 30XT on Sunday, and I haven't seen much of the male since I got them in the tank.

(Pic of tank layout is here: http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=229127 )

He pretty much dove into the little terra cotta cave and hasn't come out much or very far since then. The female (at least presumed female, its fins are considerably shorter than the other one's and they're basically the same body length) sometimes goes in there with him, but spends more of her time in front of the entrance to the cave or out and about in the tank.

The few times I've seen the male he's seemed to be breathing very rapidly; it's hard to get an accurate count because he moves, but I'd guess 80-120 breaths per minute. His color is noticeably faded relative to the female's, and he may be a little bit skinny. I haven't seen him eat yet.

I just fed them for the night and he came fully out of the cave for the first time that I've seen after most of the other fish had eaten. I didn't see if he actually ate any food but he picked at some stuff; what I find puzzling is that the female came over to him and started pushing and biting at him-mainly at his side and his gills. I understand that these are territorial fish and that they can be a little bit aggressive; I've had cichlids before. But what I don't understand is that his response was to keep his side to her and, for lack of a better term, just take it.

He made no attempt to escape or to fight back whatsoever. After about 30 seconds of this behavior the female wandered off and left him alone, whereupon he picked at some food particles (as I mentioned earlier) and eventually wandered back into the cave.

He's clearly stressed, but I'm not sure what's going on here. He shows no obvious signs of disease or illness, and I'm not really sure if this is a normal territorial dispute (keep in mind this was supposedly a pair that has bred in the past) or if something else is going on.

I have not tested the water since Sunday, but it should be fine; it tested out at 0 ammonia, 0 nitrites and just a trace of nitrates late last week before I removed the previous stock (2 4"-5" koi, 4 or 5 2-3" comets and a 4" dojo; I'm pretty confident that that bioload was considerably higher than the two kribs, 7 rummynose, a few otos and white clouds and the clown plec that are in it now). Water temperature is consistent at about 78-80 (we have no a/c).

I'm planning on picking up some live tubifex tomorrow to see if that tempts him at all, but I don't know what else to try. There ought to be plenty of hiding places for both fish, so... Thoughts?

(er... Meant to post this in the African forum, obviously. Wasn't paying attention. Guess that's what I get for posting way past my bedtime... :eyeroll: )
 
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I just bought a pair of these beautiful cichlids too :) as soon as they got in the tank, my female started pecking at the males side too! I was very confused. But I've researched a little bit and when the male is being very territorial it generally means they are spawning :) so hopefully you will have little babies soon. lol. Anyway goodluck.
 
Kribs can be a very shy species. I would not really worry about him yet, since all fish are different and will adjust to their new surroundings. The meaty treats should help you in getting him to come out and could also help to condition them for breeding. Your description sounds like the other is a female. If you can get some pics of both from the side, it would help in giving you a definite answer on their sexes. Congrats on your find BTW, Kribs are great little cichlids and a definite plus to an aquarium.
 
BTW Kribs are West African river cichlids. They are pretty tolerant of water conditions as long as they are not too extreme.

My guess would be that you are seeing courting behavior. Kribs do like to hide a lot, and it may take them a little while to get comfortable.
 
Like others said Kribs can be reclusive especially when first introduced to a new tank so hiding is not strange behaviour. The male would be draber then the female so that's not strange either. He will color up when he's ready to spawn. They'll also change places once they spawn, as she will be in the pot and he will be guarding the entrance. Normally he would be longer than her but he may be younger and not full grown yet. Doesn't sound like much to worry about but keep an eye on him to see if he doesn't get worse, but I expect he will be fine once he settles in.
 
Thanks guys. I didn't really expect them to be that shy-the other small cichlids I've had haven't been that reclusive (but then they've all been either south american or rift lake fish too, so...). I'll pick up some tubifex and see what he does with them tonight.
 
Actually, I disagree with the majority opinion...only because I have had exactly what you are experiencing happen to me twice, and lost the fish each time. It happened both to a male and a female. They hid, got dark, looked skinnier than the rest, breathed quickly and did not come out to eat. Kribs are territorial and may be shy if they are "low on the totem pole" in comparison to the rest, but they are pigs like any other cichlid. If you put down something really yummy (mine go nuts for these:
http://www.arcatapet.com/fullsize/13193.jpg)

And they don't come out to get it, I would be seriously concerned. I regret both times not having pulled them out and medicated them...I believe the problem was intestinal parasites. I could be wrong about that, but that's what I would treat for now if I could have a "do over". I don't want to alarm you, sorry if I am, but just relaying my own experience. I too, thought they were being shy and needed time to settle in. By day 4 I should've known better!
 
Nah, you're not alarming me at all. It's better to be safe than sorry with these things; I'll pick up some of those if the LFS has them along with the bloodworms. If he doesn't respond to that I'll have to set up the 10G I have empty or something.
 
He may also be stressed & hiding if the female is ready to breed & he's not. Female cichlids seem to mature earlier than males & can be quite aggressive. If you can separate him for a while.
 
Well, the problem is solved, whatever it was.

Just came home for lunch, found him in the plants, stiff as a board. No external signs of illness at all. *shrug* Poor guy.

Ah well, next question then: If I replace him with another male, what are the chances of the female accepting the newcomer and having them pair off? Is that likely, or is it more probable that all hell will break loose?
 
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