LFS and Chainstore bashing

snakeskinner said:
I'm tired of hearing about how someone's fish store sold them some tiger barbs and didn't tell them they'd tear up their guppies. The car dealer didn't tell you your car would smash your neighbor's kitten but you didn't go flaming the dealership did you?

WHAT!?! This is a terrible analogy. If you smashed your neightbors kitten, that would be an accident caused by you, not the car!

Tiger barbs, on the other hand, will predictably pick on fish with long flowing fins. This should be told to the consumer before buying the fish.

While I agree that the consumer should do some research before buying anything, I dont agree that the pet store is not responsible for educating the customer.
 
i find that this argument is still a bit onesided. so, how do i excuse my lfs for refusing to order products...or saying they will and never do, or saying they will- receiev the wrong product, and never make it right. eh?
 
Okay, I think I will jump on the bandwagon here and add my 2 cents. I don't have a problem with most retailers. They are trying to make money. If and when I do vent about fish stores, it is for a good reason.

Example? The local WalMart (which I avoid for other reasons) often seems to grossly neglect maintanance on their tanks. There are potted plants for sale that look like they have sat there for years, slowly languishing.

At Petco, I can never find any employees to help me. Last time I was there, I pressed the 'ring for assistance' button three times, and no one came. Often, their tanks are neglected as well... the filter intakes totally clogged with dead fish in varying stages of decay. One tank, last time, had so many goldfish in it that the fish literally could not turn around.

PetSmart's plants are all dying or grown over with algae. But their service is good. I have witnessed employees talking customers out of particular purchases. They often ask what kind of setup you have before they will bag anything for you.

At LFS, employees are all fish geeks... required to have a very good working knowledge of aquarium systems. The place used to be an all-purpose pet store. Now they are primarily aquarium experts with a small stock of cat and dog supplies in the very front. They have some fabulous tanks in there... reef displays, an enormous stingray tank, a display-only African Cichlid tank. And they have a lot of info and supplies for planted tanks. But they are not always helpful or polite.

Bottom line?
It's easy to complain on an online forum under the cover of virtual anonymity. Know your fish, ask questions, get to know other fishkeepers. Educate yourself, because you can't expect that every fish retailer will know everything about every species/setup/situation.
 
Bristlenose Chuck said:
WHAT!?! This is a terrible analogy. If you smashed your neightbors kitten, that would be an accident caused by you, not the car!

Tiger barbs, on the other hand, will predictably pick on fish with long flowing fins. This should be told to the consumer before buying the fish.

While I agree that the consumer should do some research before buying anything, I dont agree that the pet store is not responsible for educating the customer.


Finally someone who did not fail to notice how bad those analogies are. And just to think that one should respond with a "well written."
 
Yuri De Lima said:
Finally someone who did not fail to notice how bad those analogies are. And just to think that one should respond with a "well written."

before i started with my fish, i researched for months on what kind of fish would work well in my tank, as well as there temperment, and behaviour, anyone who is smart should realize to do this


and in your signature... death is permanent....... :idea:
 
petsmart

I actually go to me local PetsMart and help the employees out with fish questions, i tried to get a job there and they wouldn't hire me cuase i was always there anyways. ^ ^
 
Someone mentioned that a lot of the complaints against big box or chain stores is just venting. I think that holds a lot of truth. Sometime people go overboard or over generalize.

However, many stores are better for consumers or for fish. I do not like to buy from stores that poorly house their fish; because I do not want to support the way they treat their fish. Frankly, the poor care of some stores is just cruel. I am also more willing to return to a store that gives me useful information, or that shows an interest in my tank. If you want to make a car analogy; it would be like getting a lemon from one dealership and never buying that brand of car again, or getting an informative salesman who helps you choose the right car for you. If I found one great car there I would likely return to get my next car too. Some business try get loyal customers and other go for high turn over. It is up to every individual to make their own shopping choices, but it isn’t wrong to share your personal experiences.
 
i like both stores around here my lfs and walmart .
in the lfs the owner is an idiot but they have one employee that is just awsome. allways doing a water change or something i never have to go look for anybody if hes working

and in walmart the fish quality isnt as good . but theres a guy thats allways in the fish section (he dont even work that dept hes suposed to be in lawn and garden) but hes allways over there telling people not to bu the pacus/cichlids/oscars if they dont have a big tank. if the person seems new he will ask if they have cycled their tank and hes super nice. he doesnt know a whole lot (dunno if he even has fish) but he tries to circumvent the common beginner mistakes
 
Bristlenose, my analogy was not in comparison between tiger barbs and a car, it was the fact that the person who sold you the car and the person who sold you the tiger barbs are not the persons at fault, you are. And not all tiger barbs will tear up a guppy, I've known people who have good luck with such combinations (against my advice of course). Holybull, the best thing you can do is try to help them out with constructive advice. If they don't seem responsive, quit shopping there. Find the one that seems willing to improve and give them business. Join your local club as well, manytimes you can get the same fish you would have gotten at the shops from a clubmember for minimal costs. As for products, if your local store won't get them for you, order online and let them know you picked them up online. If they start losing sales, they might make a change. I know of several LFS's around my area that I will not shop in because of their poor quality fish and advice. I have no problem letting people know about a particular shop that repeatedly has bad business practices or poor quality fish but if you buy one fish or item from a store and have a problem, can you really make a sound comment about them? Maybe it was out of their hands. That's why I like to build a good relationship with my LFS's and even some of the chainstore employees. They know my wife and I when we walk through the door. I may not buy a whole lot or anything but they at least know me and are friendly with me. If you accuse them everytime you step through the door they will not be willing to help you. My other problem is hearing that just because one chainstore has poor employees or quality products that the whole chain should be damned. I regularly stop by my wal-mart's fish department just to see if they got in something new or sometimes some oddball corydoras. I've also called corporate on another wal-mart who had sick and dying fish in every tank with no one taking care of them. I know who I can deal with at petsmarts and petco's and who to stay away from. I've heard bad advice at chainstores and I've heard good advice at chainstores. Heck, I've heard just as much bad advice on this forum as I have in a chainstore, does that mean we should discontinue this forum? With anything you should always get a second opinion, no matter what you're planning to do/purchase. Kyle
 
Hey, snakeskinner

Here is a piece of advice for you when you are posting in any type of forum.

USE PARAGRAPHS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You seriously need to break your posts up into paragraph form. Trying to read long posts without any breaks is difficult and straining to the eyes.

I'm not trying to **** you off or anything. But you will get more people to read your posts if you split things up.

I don't know about anyone else but I almost got crushed twice reading those walls of text :dance:
 
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