Low Budget 10 Gallon Nano

@jagr200
You can tar and feather me when I report a dead creature from poor water conditions.

@FeatherDuster
I can't say that I do. I'll try the local fish stores to see if they can test my water for copper. It'll be terrible if it gets into the live rock. I may have to switch to RO/DI sooner than I thought.

You will probably have the best of luck at a fish store that has a large saltwater section. Usually they have the copper test kits for treating sick fish via copper treatment.

Oh and I found a site that has some cheap test kits if they don't. I know my local stores charge an arm and leg for test kits. Seems like ordering online is better:
Copper Test:
http://www.bigalsonline.com/StoreCa...er_test_kit?&query=copper&queryType=0&offset=
Basic Test Kit:
http://www.bigalsonline.com/StoreCa...kit?&query=saltwater+test&queryType=0&offset=
 
I won't say that tap can't be used, because it can. But one person's tap water isn't anothers. Best to only make the decision to use tap once you've tested at the very minimum for : ammonia, nitrites, nitrates, copper and phosphates. And obtained a copy of your city water report if you're on city water.

Frankly wells scare me. But it is only because a former brother-in-law was in an area where chemicals were being used in very concentrated areas (for weed control) and after living in his home for 20 years his 20 year old daughter developed cancer. It was horrific for them and has made me really think twice about what we assume is safe.
 
Equipment
10 gallon tank - $10 (free)
2 x 10w Coralife Mini 50/50 bulbs - $20 (free - I wanted my freshwater to be blue back then : P)
Whisper Power Filter - $15 (free) (won't really need if you have the live rock)
50w Stealth Heater - $20 (free)
Aquatic Gardens Thermometer - $2 (free)

Livestock
~20 lbs live rock - $30
10-20 lbs of live sand - free (came with the live rock)
1 hermit crab - free (came with live rock)


I was given a free powerhead but the black tubing covering the wires is a little split. I'd rather not risk the tubing on the inside getting corroded and electrocuting me. It's also missing the suction cups so I'll be picking up some GE silicone this week to seal the wires and probably glue the powerhead to the corner. You'll want 25x turnover in the reef..or 250gph minimum for your 10g. It is probable you'll want a 2nd powerhead to achieve this unless the one you have there is of good to great quality.

There's no air running at the moment since I'm pretty sure the water filter is providing enough oxygen for a single hermit crab. I'm currently searching for a cheap source for 20w Coralife Mini 50/50 bulbs so I can ever so slightly broaden my choice of corals later on.

Just using dechlorinated tap water with salt mix. Cycling the tank with a tiny hardy hermit crab doesn't merit me searching for RO/DI water at 4PM. I doubt the hermit will do much to cycle the tank. I'd suggest reading the sticky posts above and using an ammonia source separate...and taking the hermit to the store for credit or to hold. Otherwise you'll not have much of a basis for feeling confident that the tank can handle any sort of a bioload as would be added by a fish. Being able to handle a bioload is very important, especially in a nano sized SW tank, and especially in a nano sized reef tank.

I doubt I'll be switching to RO/DI water until I start getting fish or coral. This won't be for a good while for two reasons. First one being that I refuse to pay much for fish or coral. And the second one being that I refuse to get testing equipment (besides a hydrometer which I think I'll be getting for free). I don't understand why you refuse to do this but will advise against this approach. A reef is a delicate balance. The only ones I know that don't regularly test have years and years and years of experience. And although they don't regularly test they certainly do have the testing supplies at home should they need to pinpoint a problem. And problems can happen very rapidly in a nano sized reef like you are proposing.

So I'll let this tank run for many weeks before adding any other livestock. By then I'll probably find a cheap/free clownfish and the tank will have fully cycled by then.

Any comments/concerns/feedback is welcome.
If you click on my advice to newbie link in my signature below you may find some of the blog posts helpful. Beyond that the biggest part of advice I can give you is to be open minded towards some of the advice you'll receive. Although there are many ways to do things in this hobby there are a few generally accepted principles. Although those principles can be bent, you need to first understand the reasoning behind them to be able to make and educated decision to bypass them.
 
InTr4nceWeTrust, sorry I freaked on you but I just cant sit back and watch someone make an animal suffer. Thats why we are all so adamant about you testing your water often. Test for atleast 2 months until you #1 Have a suitable environment to support life at its greatest capacity and #2 You have the skills and knowledge to keep the quality of the environment pristine.
 
@FeatherDuster
Thanks for the links. Great prices. I'll try to find a store that specializes in saltwater. If not, I'll head over to Big Al's Online.

@Grins
Thanks for the list of things to test for. I wasn't sure what else to have tested besides copper. Are there any ranges that they can be in? Or should they all be reading zero? Anything other things I should test for in the tap just in case?

Right now, the filter is mainly to help circulation. While I'm still running untested tap water I think the carbon will help a bit in lowering any possible toxins in the water.

A FOWLR will be all right with 10x turnover, right? I'm pretty sure the powerhead covers thats. The person who gave it to me also had a stronger powerhead that he was willing to sell me for a couple dollars. I'll ask him the GPH and pick that up, I think.

If I want to keep the hermit, why do I need to have a store hold on to him for me? Is he in risk if I try to cycle the tank with him in it as well?
EDIT: If I kept the hermit, added a few more hermits, added some snails, would they be able to cycle the tank enough to handle a shrimp or two? And after the shrimp has been in there for a while, would the tank have enough of a bioload buffer for a single clownfish? Do corals add to an increase in bacteria for a cycle?

At this point the tank is still a FOWLR. Besides testing for a completed cycle, do I still need to do regular testing? At this point I'm still unsure of why I would need to do testing besides the initial cycle check. Perhaps if/when I turn the tank into a reef I should get a test kit.

I went through your Advice to Newbies article and it's great. It helped me figure out what I could add in my measly 20 watts of lighting. Also helped to clarify aeration in an aquarium. I had never seen a saltwater aquarium with bubbles. I only assumed the powerhead was the source of aeration. Now I know.

@jagr200
It's fine. As I said in my first post "I'll undoubtedly make mistakes but hey, live and learn". I still believe that I don't need to purchase a test kit and have it on hand at all times. But I don't see any harm in having it tested at the LFS after I think it's fully cycled. And considering I'm waiting on a killer deal on clownfish, it'll most likely be a month or two before I get any fish in the tank. And I'm pretty confident it'll be cycled by then. A water test at the LFS will prove me right or wrong.
 
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One more important thing I want to add. Live rock that has been in a well established tank is cured rock, isn't it? Since my primary source for filtration is the live rock, wouldn't my tank have a good bacteria supply already?
 
@Grins
Thanks for the list of things to test for. I wasn't sure what else to have tested besides copper. Are there any ranges that they can be in? Or should they all be reading zero? Anything other things I should test for in the tap just in case?
Ammonia and Nitrites should both be at 0. Nitrates should be as close to 0 but at least below 20 in my opinion. Copper and Phosphates should be 0. If you're going to reef you'll want to test for other things that are essential for some corals to even survive such as carbonate hardness..they need it for their skeltons to grow. But before you go down that road test for the other things mentioned at the very least. Many of the other minerals unforunately can't be tested for by most home aquarists which is partly why some so highly recommend RO/DI as it purifies water to avoid much of that testing. Many tests can be done with a simple TDS meter and that helps with speed. But again, at the very least test for copper, ammonia, nitries and phosphates. And read your water analysis that each water supply facility in the states at least is required to supply to the end users.

Right now, the filter is mainly to help circulation. While I'm still running untested tap water I think the carbon will help a bit in lowering any possible toxins in the water.
It will help with some, but not as many as some assume. Much like the the additive you mentioned for chlorine I think. It doesn't remove them, it binds chemicals to those toxins. As far as circulation, most won't add enough to negate needing powerheads.

A FOWLR will be all right with 10x turnover, right? I'm pretty sure the powerhead covers thats. The person who gave it to me also had a stronger powerhead that he was willing to sell me for a couple dollars. I'll ask him the GPH and pick that up, I think.
Yes 10x will be fine for a FOWLR. But that again is minimum, you are wanting no deadspots at all as the deadspots will be your trouble areas for algae, bacteria, waste build up, etc.

If I want to keep the hermit, why do I need to have a store hold on to him for me? Is he in risk if I try to cycle the tank with him in it as well? Yes, not sure you understand the cycle and what it is an how it works. If you don't please ask or read the stickies above about what it is for. Bottom line though, any life that has to be in the tank during the cycle is being exposed to ammonia that is basically burning it from the inside out. Imagine you go in a gas chamber without a mask, it isn't the exact same, but it would feel pretty much the same I'd think to have it's gills burned by ammonia. I doubt you'd want to do that, just might not be aware of it.

At this point the tank is still a FOWLR. Besides testing for a completed cycle, do I still need to do regular testing? At this point I'm still unsure of why I would need to do testing besides the initial cycle check. Perhaps if/when I turn the tank into a reef I should get a test kit.
It is because a good reefkeeper knows their tank well. They know how to recognize signs of something going wrong and how to fix it. As a new reefkeeper you're not yet ready to determine when things are going wrong and most likely won't know until something really wrong happens. If you are doing regular testing you'll start to not only see how quickly things can change, especially in a nano tank but you'll start to understand why. There is a common saying in the hobby..nothing good ever happens fast. That not only means that you need patience in the hobby but that you need to appreciate that when things happen fast they tend to be bad. In a small body of water such as your 10g (considered very small for a marine tank) things can change quickly. I'm not suggesting you'll always need to test but I can tell you that I'm new myself at about 9 months into the hobby and I don't feel anywhere near ready to go without testing for more than 2 weeks at a time. During some periods I make sure not to go more than a week. It depends on what is going on in my tank. I didn't make the decision to drop to 2 weeks because it wasn't necessary to test, but because I've made an effort to educate myself about water chemistry, how my livestock reacts to certain factors, etc. With that I now know certain things are off because a certain coral is doing something different, etc.

Also, there will be times when something goes really odd in your tank. A fish dies for no reason that you can see visibly. A coral won't open up. Snails are moving slowly or you can never keep a shrimp alive. You're going to want help and ask people for opinions..and you should. But the first questions you're going to get from anyone are going to be :

1. what are your water parameters
2. how long have you had it and what else is stocked with it
3. tell us about your tank specs

Its pretty much standard, and if you don't have water parameters people are not going to have the ability to help you with any meaningful advice or thoughts. And trust me, most of the time these questions come when the LFS isn't open and you can't run down to them to get a freebie test done.

I went through your Advice to Newbies article and it's great. It helped me figure out what I could add in my measly 20 watts of lighting. Also helped to clarify aeration in an aquarium. I had never seen a saltwater aquarium with bubbles. I only assumed the powerhead was the source of aeration. Now I know.

I'm glad it helped. As I said, I am new to the hobby myself and just have tried to put together blog posts for questions I see asked all the time or things that would have helped me when I first started. It is fantastic that you are asking questions now. Sincerely, I wish I had asked more before I ever bought a single thing.

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One more important thing I want to add. Live rock that has been in a well established tank is cured rock, isn't it? Since my primary source for filtration is the live rock, wouldn't my tank have a good bacteria supply already?

You may very well have a fast cycle with good established cured live rock.
 
Thanks so much for the replies. I'll have my tap water tested for nitrates, nitrites, ammonia, phosphate, and copper. I'll also get a hold of the city's water analysis. If it's no go, I'll start looking for some cheap RO/DI water. If it's all right, I'll use the tap until I decided to get into a a reef and do more thorough testing.

I'm not looking to replace the powerheads with the filter. Just trying to add to circulation. Every little bit helps.

I figured with such small amounts of ammonia the hermit would be all right. To be honest I'm a little towards the cynical side and condone fishy cycles. I believe a hermit crab (or any other animal) that is just as active in pure and "contaminated" water is not feeling any pain. Maybe some discomfort only. I'm certain a lot of people disagree but I won't go into any further details on my train of thought for such a matter.

At the current state of my tank, I'll rely on the LFS freebies. Once I've obtained some additional wildlife then I'll get a test kit.


Appreciate all the answers. Sorry for not taking all of it. But I do believe I took a good deal of it.
 
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I figured with such small amounts of ammonia

Something to consider..you want the tank to be able to handle more than a small amount of ammonia so that it will remain stable when fish and such are added. That is why many will add an ammonia source to cause the ammonia to spike to 4-5ppm and then let the cycle naturally occur.
 
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