Mafia 100-The Witches Return-The Game

Vote count:

Wizard-(9)-Hammerhead, Tree, Star, IQ, Narwhal, Scoop, Wing, Fire, Nem

Tree-(1)-Wizard

Dooms-(2)-BadHaggis, Chupa

Chupa-(1)-Dooms, Nem

Nem-(1)-Uhoh

No votes: Rickets, Gunslinger, C-note

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[AC] chupacabra;2751227 said:
And there I thought we were all mature adults who could resist the urg to call others names. It appears not all of us are. Nice work buddy.

My comment was out of line. I got caught up in the moment. I was wrong to post that and I regret doing it. I am sorry. Please accept my apology. I am going to spectate until nightfall. Once again I am sorry. I am happy you are posting and should have never said anything like that. Please do not let my behavior have any bearing on how you play the game.
 
[AC] chupacabra;2751229 said:
I didn't post a list because I had no list. If you have a list and choose not to post it, are you not hurting the town?

I was initially responding to tree, and then it evolved into voting you. Dunno where I got the names mixed up, guess I was just too focused on you...

Regardless, I'm going to leave the thread for a little to cool off before I do something stupid like withdraw....

Withholding a list certainly isn't very protown, but having no list and mustering up only one name (your vote) isn't exactly protown either. Perhaps if you did more digging you'd be able to actually pinpoint names to add to your "list"?

If you were initially responding to Tree (meaning you knew it was Tree's post) then you lied when you told me that you thought it was actually my post.
 
I think a list on day two, with this many players is of little value. I think it provides direction for people looking to get a lynch on an innocent.
 
I vote to burn Nemesis at the stake.

Based on my reading, Nem has been the most inconsistent player. Inconsistency like that along with active posting draws my suspicion. Nightfall is getting close so in the interest of time, I'll just note the most pertinent post numbers instead of dredging through the thread to find the quotes to pull.

First Nem voted Fire for no reason. Random. Nem responded to Doom what's wrong with a random vote? Doom replied joke votes give some kind of reason. Nem asked Doom if a joke vote is more innocent than a random vote then did not answer Doom's question asking what Nem thinks of Tree's vote on Wiz and subsequent votes on Tree by asking Doom to say what they thought of them. Nem said back then the scummiest thing so far was Wiz wanting some action but that it wasn't vote-worthy.

After being questioned by Doom again, they replied they didn't think there was anything to read into the votes so far. Retracted vote on Fire but oddly didn't even remember who they voted for. Nem changed their vote to Driver but didn't say why.

Nem accused Mael of skimming, being stupid or scum in response to getting Mael's vote. Nem tried to defend themselves for voting Driver because it's a third vote for someone too soon.

Something else I found curious after night was Nem saying there was an unexplained death during nightfall. I read nightfall and the "other" death was real easy to figure out. (Tiburon UD'd and that had been mentioned in the thread by others.) Added post to theorize scum might be distancing on Day 1. But as often as innocents go after fellow innocents so much on D1 isn't it just as likely or even more likely that scum were not distancing at all. It's much easier for them to go with the flow and let townies direct the town against townies.

Nem came out after nightfall to lean Tree as innocent and proposed a scenario linking Tree with themself and Star as scum. Now, why would an innocent or an evil go this far casting themself in a scum scenario - to exhonerate Tree? Was all that really necessary? This made no sense to me. Then further speculated there are only 3 scum. Out of 20 players, three scum amounts to a MUCH lower average percentage instead of the usual 25% ratio. Nem was also leaning wingnut and cnote innocent.

From Nem's posts it also seems they want us to think the Warlock is a townie role based on Nem's read of the roles. That has me a little confused too. First of all, what is a warlock? A male witch...... right? What about the role indicates they are neutral? Nothing at all. Even the green font the role is shown with isn't blue (town). It's just green. The main differentiating points I see is the role is a non-communicating role. Because they are non-communicating scum, their powers could equally hurt their own team (evils) as it could hurt the town side. While that makes it something of a spoiler and randomizing event role, it does not lean them innocent or place them on the town side IMO. If the Warlock is included on the town's team, why is the role called a Warlock instead of something else less "witchy?" Another indication the warlock is NOT a neutral player is there's no mention of them in the win condition statements. My read of the roles posted tells me the Warlock is non-communicating scum a lot more than someone who is pro-town.

Nem's response to HI IQ is interesting.......... mainly because Mael already pointed out Nem never actually said that third vote on Tree was the "scumiest" thing so far. Nem's actual posts said Wiz's D1 behavior was "scumiest" thing so far... then Nem got that mixed up, was called out on it by Mael.... and Mael was since killed by scum.

Now that Mael no longer lives, they are unable to remind us again that Nem saying the third vote on Tree was the "scummiest" thing is really a contradiction of Nem's earlier posts.

This is the first line from Nem's Post # 184:

"I don't know that that's completely fair at all. In a previous post I said that I believed the scummiest thing done so far was that third vote - could it be in any doubt who had put the vote down (Driver) ?

Nem is that the real reason Mael was killed?

Nem, you have speculated a lot in other posts why Mael was chosen for the hit. This bit comes from Post # 198.

Maelstrom is a known innocent and one who was killed by the death spell. Unless they thought Maelstrom was a top player they would hit him just to make townies look bad. In fact even if the hit was done because they thought he was good they would be looking to get some suspicion onto townies as well anyway.

Gunslinger and Rickets were voting for Maelstrom. There is some cause for thinking that they might therefore be innocent and that the witches hope to use their votes in the future against them.

In passing I comment that Maelstrom was voting for me. I believe Maelstrom was quite likely also hit to make it look as if he was on to something in doing this - reason being his vote was based on an analysis of my posts and not just random. I only make this comment in basing. Of course, I lean myself as a known innocent but you people can't know that.

Why come back to this point yet again after already doing that already before? Nem tells us it's either because Mael was a good player or to try making other townies look scummy. Totally forgives Gun and my votes on Mael... weird. Only comments "in passing" that Mael may have been hit because Mael was voting Nem. Notice Nem failed to mention Mael was the one who alerted the rest of us to the contradictions that exist in Nem's own posts.... and that was the basis for Mael's vote. Maybe Mael was on to something in regards to Nem and that's why Nem and company chose Mael for their hit. Now that we know Mael was innocent, Nem would rather us believe Mael died just because they seemed to be a good player or just to make someone else look bad.

The last point I find most inconsistent and most troubling is how Nem was able to lean me innocent just for placing a random vote on someone (Mael) and then leaving the game completely for so long.

How exactly does not playing at all, then not placing a real vote anywhere, not contributing anything to the game thread at all, ...AND... not coming back possibly absolve me from suspicion in Nem's convoluted little mind? Anyone with any common sense at all in these mafia games should consider me at least a little suspicious. Also interesting to note Nem only "leans" themself as innocent. LOL.
 
[AC] narwhal;2751235 said:
I think a list on day two, with this many players is of little value. I think it provides direction for people looking to get a lynch on an innocent.

It also helps to see what people are thinking. A crucial aspect of this game, no?
 
Sorry that's so long and rambly. There were just too many posts from Nem to look at them all in one post.
 
Vote count:

Wizard-(9)-Hammerhead, Tree, Star, IQ, Narwhal, Scoop, Wing, Fire, Nem

Tree-(1)-Wizard

Dooms-(2)-BadHaggis, Chupa

Chupa-(1)-Dooms, Nem

Nem-(2)-Uhoh, Rickets

No votes: Gunslinger, C-note

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Rickets:

You are the Warlock. While you belive in your craft, you are not part of the coven and you are doing your best to learn how to cast spells. You just have problems with getting things right, sometimes. You have three spells at your disposal. You must use them on Nights 2, 3 and 4.

That to me clearly indicates that the Warlock is NOT scum. Most vigilante-like roles still count as townies, even if their powers can still hurt the town.
 
[AC] Doomsday998;2751233 said:
Withholding a list certainly isn't very protown, but having no list and mustering up only one name (your vote) isn't exactly protown either. Perhaps if you did more digging you'd be able to actually pinpoint names to add to your "list"?

If you were initially responding to Tree (meaning you knew it was Tree's post) then you lied when you told me that you thought it was actually my post.

I'm trying to dig, but so far all I've gotten is insults and reasons my ideas aren't possible.

I replied to the post as it came. The first portion (which you outlined in red) was to tree only because it was tree's post. The fact that it was his post had slipped my mind, but that is irrelevant, I was answering the questions posed.
 
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