Mafia 100-The Witches Return-The Game

[[AC] narwhal]

Well, first I wanted to know what you actually thought of Wiz since you were so keen on just agreeing with HH and Wiz.

Ironically, my second question was why you didn't address my post. It was post #322, btw.

It would also be nice to hear your suspects Or is D3 still too early to have a list?

I stated that I agreed he was not himself and did nothing to defend himself which was not like him. I also said that the logic applied to him made sense and certainly was the best place for a vote. Sionce that was the only evidence there was I do not know what other insight I was supposed to add.

I do not have time right now to go find 322, I shall later but I have things to do.

 

[[AC] Doomsday998]

I stated that I agreed he was not himself and did nothing to defend himself which was not like him. I also said that the logic applied to him made sense and certainly was the best place for a vote. Sionce that was the only evidence there was I do not know what other insight I was supposed to add.

I do not have time right now to go find 322, I shall later but I have things to do.

To clarify, post #322 was my original post.

You did mention briefly that you thought Wiz wasn't himself but I could quote multiple posts where you fall back on someone else's case.

I look forwards to your suspect list...if it ever gets posted...

 

[[AC] chupacabra]

Why would basing a vote on a day 1 post be interesting?

Because I find it interesting. It piqued my interest, got my attention when I saw it. So I stated so.

Turned on wing? Hardly. I originally did not think wing would have been the one protecting Wiz when HH brought it up. After looking back at their D2 vote I think it's something I need to consider.

As for my thoughts on Rickets...what I wrote is what I was thinking at the time. Like I said above I didn't get time to analyze their vote and there isn't much else to say about them at this point.

Okay, both answers are satisfying for the time being.

I am glad you find my logic somewhat understandable. Why am I not given credit for turning on Wing, they were not even on my suspect list, but now I am voting for them. I am not sure if Doom has turned on wing or not. Are you getting me and doom confused? I am not sure what AORN means. I am also not sure why you need to look at me more closely than the others. I could see if Wiz was not the head witch, but he was. Explain in what way I could be even considered to be teammates with Wiz. Was my going after him distancing? Why is wing not on your list of people to look into? What are your thoughts on wing? What parts of the arguments made by Hammer and Doom do you see and believe? Why is my thoughts on day one interesting. You do realize that I was making a day one case on the head witch. I stand by logic. Anyone that complains about lack of action without being active is not pro-town. Anyone that complains about lack of voting without voting is not pro-town. These are scum tells. Using excuses for their own actions while complaining or commenting about others actions is old fashion scummy. No matter what day these actions happen, they are scum tells. So why is wing not on your list to look more closely then others. Did you mean to say besides wing, you will be looking at the others? Can I assume you will be placing your vote on wing as you see and believe the arguments against wing. Chupa, are you willing to vote for wing? Why not place your vote on wing now, you can always change it later. Let's see what happens when there is a little heat on wing. Everyone loves hot wings.

Dang! Lots of questions here! So I'll be answering them as best I can, tell me if I miss any. Then I'll continue with my reading.

Are you getting me and doom confused? Last I checked, no, but it would be vote worthy if I do again, Do- erm, tree (Thats a joke if you're wondering). In all seriousness, no, I'm not. Though, you did sort of turn on him too, but earlier in the game Doom and Wing seemed to be having similar thoughts is all. I am not sure what AORN means. As Of Right Now. AORN. I am also not sure why you need to look at me more closely than the others. I could see if Wiz was not the head witch, but he was. Explain in what way I could be even considered to be teammates with Wiz. Was my going after him distancing? To this I can only say that your basing a vote from day one is interesting, and that I plan to read about that vote in context and see how it fits into my view of the game right now. Thus, I will be looking at you more closely as a result. Why is wing not on your list of people to look into? Wing IS on that list. Did you skim it, or did you just decide it was irrelevant? What are your thoughts on wing? I think that wing has done some scummy things, but most of my thoughts are the same as other peoples thoughts. I don't get on much, so most of what I think ends up being influenced by the thoughts of others. What parts of the arguments made by Hammer and Doom do you see and believe? Wing DID vote on wiz rather late in the train (it's a train even if it's on an evil), so it could have been a "you're screwed, may well vote you and look better for it" vote. Wing's posts have been short, right about the size that I aim for when evil myself. The arguments make sense to me. Why is my thoughts on day one interesting. You do realize that I was making a day one case on the head witch. I stand by logic. Anyone that complains about lack of action without being active is not pro-town. Anyone that complains about lack of voting without voting is not pro-town. These are scum tells. Using excuses for their own actions while complaining or commenting about others actions is old fashion scummy. No matter what day these actions happen, they are scum tells. I find anything reaching back that far to be worth re-investigating. It isn't necessarily a bad thing you know. So why is wing not on your list to look more closely then others. Did you mean to say besides wing, you will be looking at the others? Again, wing is on my list of people to look at more closely, as stated after the AORN bit. Can I assume you will be placing your vote on wing as you see and believe the arguments against wing. Never assume things with me. I can see multiple sides of an argument at the same time, even if I do sometimes disregard one side or the other. Chupa, are you willing to vote for wing? Why not place your vote on wing now, you can always change it later. Before I vote for wing I seek to continue my reading, see reactions, and reread the game if I can. At the very least I will be skimming the entire game again to get a better view of the entire thing, and I will be looking into the people on my list (Doom, yourself, Wing, Rickets). I also prefer not to place a vote without thinking about it if possible, as I never can be sure I'll show up in time to retract it (which means I may UD, but I'd rather UD then send an innocent to the lynch/stake).


I will now continue my reading.

 

[[AC] Star-Crossed]

I find it funny that my suspect list is bunny fluff but contains the same suspects as you. I'm pretty sure I put out my list before you or most others did when players started asking for them. My list is pretty close to everyones list and since it came earlier I can't be copying. Just because I'm not a post puller doesn't mean I don't dig. I bring to light the posts as they come out.

As already pointed out, your "list" contains half the players in the game, some of which I'm sure are your scummates. Look at your reasoning, that is what is fluffy. None of your reasons feel like they have any substance. Your reasoning on Wiz was especially wishy-washy. You worded things carefully so you could go either way you needed to with Wiz, avoiding the vote on him if your team could manipulate the town enough yet you also worded it to allow you to place your vote on him if there was no way he could avoid the lynch. Obviously the latter occurred. I don't see a lot of digging from you, rather I see fluffing.

It was Day 1, Wiz is a good player. There wasn't enough evidence that day to agree that Wiz was scum. My vote wasn't protection, just happened to work out it came on the heels of Trees vote.

In that one post where I call Wiz innocent twice, thats a bunch of bull.If you have any real evidence bring it but quit twisting words. It says IF and it was based on a scenario.

I explained why I fixed it, I see no reason to rehash the same crap over.

Why did I clarify? Well if I didn't I'd be called on it,so in the interest of being more readable I clarified my thought.


Yes I'd rather have voted Cnote then Wiz but we needed to know his role.


As for Doom, he didn't make my list did he? So obviously I think he is pro town.


Yes as I said above I'd rather have voted Cnote but thought it was more important to know Wiz role and if HH and Tree could be trusted.

You've really got your hackles up, don't you Wing? Acting defensive doesn't do anything to make me think you are less scummy. In fact, you are responding like I would expect trapped scum to respond.

Well I'm pretty sure I'll be lynched no matter what I say. All I ask is that you look today at tomorrow. The next spell is the turn witch to town or townie to witch. You guys need to find someone for the Warlock to turn to townie. Don't fixate on me, all that leads to is a bunch of posts and defenses that lead nowhere when you could be finding a witch to turn.

Are you wanting to turn into a townie? I guess that could work, not lynch you and have the warlock turn you into a townie. Kinda like pocket mafia for a night.

I vote to burn wing at the stake. i'm trusting in HH at this point since i've not had much time to decipher things for myself.

Do you think you will have time before nightfall to contribute more?

 

[[AC] Star-Crossed]

Chup, I'm glad you're around because I'm dying for a follow-up on this post:

Asking deeper: Actually wasting words to ask them. And yes, but I'm sure every single player (including myself) is activly trying to play like someone else in order to make use of that. I don't intend to think of this game as "oh, this one MAY be ice, lets see his scum tells". Rather, if I see something interesting or unsusual, or that just gets my attention, I'm going to investigate. This was one of those "hey, that stands out" times. So I investigated. And got a VERY interesting reaction.

I really thought you were going to be building a case against me after this post, and I've been patiently waiting for one. So far, nothing. Why have you not expounded on this VERY interesting reaction?

 

[[AC] wing nut]

As already pointed out, your "list" contains half the players in the game, some of which I'm sure are your scummates. Look at your reasoning, that is what is fluffy. None of your reasons feel like they have any substance. Your reasoning on Wiz was especially wishy-washy. You worded things carefully so you could go either way you needed to with Wiz, avoiding the vote on him if your team could manipulate the town enough yet you also worded it to allow you to place your vote on him if there was no way he could avoid the lynch. Obviously the latter occurred. I don't see a lot of digging from you, rather I see fluffing.


You've really got your hackles up, don't you Wing? Acting defensive doesn't do anything to make me think you are less scummy. In fact, you are responding like I would expect trapped scum to respond.


Are you wanting to turn into a townie? I guess that could work, not lynch you and have the warlock turn you into a townie. Kinda like pocket mafia for a night.

And as pointed out the 1st 4 were suspects I'd vote. I admit being wishy washy on Wiz,he is a good player that I'd hate to lose if innocent.The last 4 were low posters. Compare my top 4 with others and they pretty much match up. Fluff because I didn't pull posts to back them up? I put my thoughts out there, sorry that I'm not a deeper thinker.

How then exactly does a trapped townie respond to defend themselves?

 

[[AC] Doomsday998]

Chupa, since you're around I'd be interested in knowing if you now have any thoughts on Rickets. You pointed out me not having any, then turned around and said that you didn't either. Kinda like how you asked me for a suspect list and then turned around and didn't have one yourself...

I think it's utterly ridiculous that you would even include Tree on a suspect list right now. Not saying you shouldn't be looking at them at all, but to have them higher than all but two others is not protown.

 

[[AC] Star-Crossed]

And as pointed out the 1st 4 were suspects I'd vote. I admit being wishy washy on Wiz,he is a good player that I'd hate to lose if innocent.The last 4 were low posters. Compare my top 4 with others and they pretty much match up. Fluff because I didn't pull posts to back them up? I put my thoughts out there, sorry that I'm not a deeper thinker.

How then exactly does a trapped townie respond to defend themselves?

Your list was not fluffy because it lacked any pulled posts, your list was fluffy because it lacked substance. There was absolutely no confidence in your list. Now I'm sure you'll counter with something to the effect that it was early in the game, no one was sure about anything, etc, but even taking that into account, your list was as solid as a wiffle ball.

A trapped townie really doesn't spend a lot of energy defending themselves. Instead they try to put their thoughts out there and figure out who is manipulating what. A trapped townie is willing to sacrifice themselves for the town but they don't stop rooting out scum. They know the town can go back after a bad lynch and use the information they'd provided/rooted out before the lynch.

 

[[AC] chupacabra]

I vote to burn Chupa at the stake.


His suspect list doesn't remotely fit anyone elses, if my post was defending Wiz then his was professing love for Wiz. Hey Chupa did Wiz pay you up front for your attorney fee? I can't say I agre much at all with any of his posts.

Okay, I've got to ask, can I add this to my Real User Name when I'm done in this game? Professing my love... hardly. I most certainly defended wizard to an extent, but I don't remember asking him to marry me... besides, last I heard he was taken But seriously, your voting me because I have had differing opinions then others playing? Would you rather I conform and vote you? Or perhaps you want some simple minded sheep that follows the crowd around?

This was my initial thought so I really won't hold this against him.

I think he was trying to get people to fall off Wiz.

He says everyone but him is scum but won't vote Wiz.

These posts mostly. The last post bothers me most. He is implying that since he didn't vote Wiz he isn't scum.

I was trying to get people to look at others. Wiz's train was acting like a car crash, everyone looks at it and is oblivious to all else in the world. His train, to me, was a massive distracting occurrence, that, however correct, was keeping people from looking into others. Finally, with so many people on him, we learned only that he was evil and that a few people voted elsewhere. We didn't learn who was working with who, or who the evils would try to protect. By the time I posted, Wiz was pretty much doomed, so we would never have been able to learn who was good and who was evil. I said everyone but me is scum, but I didn't vote everyone, now did I? I can't vote everyone, though if I could... anyway, I chose Doom. I felt he was scummier then Wizard. Simple. The last post was intended to be a simple statement saying that I would vote him if we were scum together. At the time I still thought of him an innocent, or at least not evil enough to vote. I never said I was innocent in that post (though I personally know I am).

That isn't valid its a crappy reach. I don't talk that way so I don't type that way. If I screw something up in RL then I'd say didn't realize I did it wrong or if I said I it would be I didn't realize it was wrong. Never would I say I didn't realize I had it wrong. Why would I use I twice in a sentence.

I know people like that. I personally don't see how the wording of his statement there makes him evil or confirms that there was another who helped him, though I can see why people would think as such. Just one more reason to be ultra-careful about wording your posts everyone.

Chup, I'm glad you're around because I'm dying for a follow-up on this post:

I really thought you were going to be building a case against me after this post, and I've been patiently waiting for one. So far, nothing. Why have you not expounded on this VERY interesting reaction?

It speaks for itself. You reacted with a powerful and complete defense, which always gets my attention. Since then I have found little in your posts to lean you evil. Can't build a case when I don't see one.

 

[[AC] Star-Crossed]

Does anyone know how many scum there are? I didn't see anything in the rules, but with as many players as there are this round, I'm guessing 5 scum unless LG decided to go with 4 since the warlock's spell if misplaced could create more scum.