OK this is quite long and goes up to post 520 or thereabouts.
[AC] narwhal;2750512 said:
The other possibility since it was day one, is that even if one of those in a tie for the barbequing is a witch, would the other witches want to stand out by saving them? I do not think I would unless it was the boss. A last minute kill vote on day one would stand out like two sore thumbs.
This is Narwhal talking about Night 1. He's mooting the possibility that in fact Tree is a witch, i.e. that the fact that Tree was left in a tie does not mean he's likely to be innocent. This is a bad theory.
[AC] narwhal;2750657 said:
I can see the case and the logic, but I see nothing that would make be think you could be 100% on anything. I see even less logic in your choice of teammates, that is just supposition. Are you 100% about that as well?
This is Narwhal saying he can see the case and the logic against Wizard. Bear in mind, there was no case or logic to it in reality. Hammerhead got the info from an investigation and ran with it. For narwhal to say he saw a case and logic is a lie.
Wing Nut, known witch, I think its his first couple of posts of the day. He targets C Note. :-
[AC] wing nut;2750746 said:
Okay somewhat caught up. I skimmed to get the jest of what is going on and will go back and get a better read later when the kids are in bed.
I noticed not many commented on the spell.
Sounds like Warlock spell number 3 to me. Spell #3 - forces a player to not vote at all and not have any consequences happen.
So we know that person can't UD. If a witch got this spell they could lay low or actually not even post at all knowing we don't vote UDs,so we need to keep this in mind.
My post was 4 minutes after Trees vote, do you really think I read and reacted? I wrote my vote and was trying to think of something clever to write after it. I didn't even know Tree had voted yet.
I don't know why Doom is protecting me, it always makes me uneasy when someone sticks up for me anytime in the game but on Day 2 it really makes me wonder. Doom is one I plan on looking more into. No one should be excusing anyone at this point and usually the ones excusing are the ones that need to be looked into the most.
[AC] wing nut;2750759 said:
Besides that I posted at the same exact time stamp as the vote tally?
I was catching up and noticed everyone else had written it the other way so to make sure it counted I changed it to the correct wording.
Looks like you are reaching a little bit Cnote, nervous that you are being looked at and trying to deflect much?
Narwhal again. Here Narwhal is answering a question asked about someone else. It just looks a little like he's trying to appear helpful.
[AC] narwhal;2750762 said:
I did not notice, seems to me it means he did not pay all that much attention when he typed it, came back later and saw that it was incorrect and changed it. I generally go back to my last post when reading that way I do not miss anything.
Wing Nut has a little pop at Narwhal. Nothing too damaging.
[AC] wing nut;2750766 said:
You sure do offer up explanations for players a lot. Are you a latcher?
[AC] wing nut;2750768 said:
My last post was to Narwal
Narwhal is speaking to Hammerhead here. Again, there was no real thoughts on Wizard (how could there be - it was the start of Day 2). It's just that Hammerhead
knew Wizard was high priest because of the investigation :-
[AC] narwhal;2750942 said:
You being holier than though and making guarantees proves nothing, which is what I said. I would dismiss you entirely but your thoughts on Wiz make sense. The rest is gibberish. You should stick to the one point you made that works.
In fairness to Narwhal he comes out and says it (I think its Tree he calls obnoxious).
[AC] narwhal;2750990 said:
I really hate to agree with someone that obnoxious but I do think that the Wiz is scum.
I vote to burn Wiz at the stake.
^ Now, this was the fourth or fifth vote on Wiz. I don't know. Is that a little early for the scum to jump on their boss ? They certainly would have needed an exit strategy if they were jumping on at this time.
Scoop is next vote on, I mention in passing. This put Wizard on either five or six votes. That's quite the train.
[AC] scoop411;2751030 said:
I vote to marinate Wiz in Scotch and light him up like a Christmas tree.
I vote to burn Wiz at the stake.
OK
this I believe is possibly significant. This has to be taken as a defence of wizard/effort not to have wizard lynched. Hello BadHaggis welcome to the game :-
[AC] BadHaggis;2751154 said:
I vote to burn Doomsday at the stake. Not sure what to make of this Wiz/Tree situation. Tree seems pretty confident and Wiz not putting up a fight does make it rather difficult to avoid. I do believe the train has left the station and nobody's getting off until the next stop, so i won't bother. We'll likely find out Wiz's role at nightfall.
I'm sorry i haven't been on much. Truthfully, i thought i'd have more time. If I can get back on before nightfall, I will. It's going to take some catching up though as I'd like to go through things a bit more thoroughly.
As far as my suspect list (since obviously I'm a low poster, so that question's coming), you're on it. :girl:Yes, this means you.
Wing, confirmed scum, suspect list :-
[AC] wing nut;2751177 said:
I think I'm probably more in danger of being lynched then hit at this point of the game but since others are looking for suspect lists I will throw one out too
no particular order
Wiz- I'm still not 100% sure. Lack of posting is suspicious,I'm going more on HHs gut feeling and Wizs poor case on Tree.
Cnote- This is who I planned on voting last night if I decided to post a vote but wanted to see more of todays posts. He has tried to pull posts and twist them to make others look bad. He pulled my vote correction but didn't pay attention to the timestamp of the post and vote tally. He also pulled a post of Nemesis stating that he never mentioned the 3rd vote being scummy when he infact did twice. He has laid low except to put out doubt about others posts.
Narwal- I think he is nothing more then a latcher. I haven't seen any digging on other suspects and a failure to really get into the middle of anything. They do like to explain other peoples posts for them.
Chupacabra- more of a gut feeling at this point, can't put my finger on it but the posts don't sit well with me as of now.
All my other suspects are low posters- more then anything its lack of posts that makes me suspect them. If you aren't letting us read your thoughts then you are hiding and hoping to be overlooked. No reason for that except you are scum and afraid to slip up.
UhOh- 2 posts, a vote for me because of my avatar. Then a post to say how hard it is to keep up with the aliases, no digging at all
Gun- a few joke posts,vote on Maelstrom and no digging at all
Rickets- I see just posted so we'll see if they contribute or disappear again.
Bad Haggis- a few posts,seemingly looking helpful but no digging
A point I would make is that scum nearly always put some fellow scum somewhere on their suspect list. His main list is C Note, Narwhal and Chupa. Gunslinger is on the secondary list, a known innocent. Uh Oh is on the secondary list, a known innocent. Rickets and Bad Haggis make the secondary list. Bad Haggis is described as seemingly helpful. I don't see anywhere where Bad Haggis has actually been helpful.
Narwhal again :-
[AC] narwhal;2751235 said:
I think a list on day two, with this many players is of little value. I think it provides direction for people looking to get a lynch on an innocent.
^ My comment is, this is a game with a turn. Lists help. They help generally in any event. Also, even if it is Day 2 we have a lot of activity by now, with Hammerhead making a strong assertion about Wizard, and the responses to it. Narwhal is opting out.
I was getting scummy vibes from Doomsday during Day 2, somewhat arising from their interactions with Hammerhead and Tree :-
[AC] Doomsday998;2751364 said:
I'll leave tonight with some more condensed thoughts on players. This is based on what I'm thinking now, so it's subject to change...none of this is in a particular order...
Possible suspects:
Chupa- I don't like how they took the situation with Wiz and then disregarded Wiz's role and put me and Wing in the spotlight. When I questioned them it quickly became me and only me with little explanation as to why. I also don't like how they turned around and said they don't have a suspect list after prodding a couple people to post theirs. The mix up of me and Tree is certainly odd as well.
UhOh- Hardly posting at all and the only contribution they have made since D1 is a comment about how hard it is to play with aliases and a vote on Nem for changing font. Definitely seems like a cop out vote to me.
Scoop- See post #469. The quick succession of posts without much to them and the spacing between their first post and the vote is odd.
Narwhal- See post #469. Essentially let others do the case building on Wiz and was reluctant to vote there.
BH- Giving no reason for a vote is scummy enough, regardless if it was a vote for me. Also a low poster who hasn't done any digging. They commented as briefly as possible regarding Wiz too.
Wing- See post #469. In addition I could see the vote D1 as trying to protect Wiz now that we know he was the scum boss.
Still Unsure :
Star- As the 3rd vote on Wiz I find it unlikely they are scum, but I'm not entirely convinced yet. They did directly address Wiz.
Rickets- I will admit that I still haven't gone back and analyzed their vote on Nem. It was late but it seemed to be at least based on something substantial. Of the people with prolonged absences Rickets is at least attempting to stay up to speed.
HI IQ- Their vote on Wiz was still early, although in sort of a gray area for timing. Looking back I think the vote was still well thought out.
Nem- The late vote on Wiz may have been to save face although statistically I think there was still a chance Wiz may not have been lynched before Nem did move. So after the vote switch it would have taken someone to move off Wiz for that to be possible. I'll need to look more into their other posts when I look at Ricket's vote. I know there was mention of their vote on Driver at one point but I think that got buried with the revelations about Wiz.
Cnote- There's probably the greatest possibility of me leaning them more towards the scum side than the others. I don't like how they remained absent for a good 24 hours, even if the no-vote spell was used. Their D1 vote seemingly looks like a more overt defense of Wiz than Wing's too. However, based on their interactions with wing I don't see the two of them both being scum and by default I don't have them in the suspect pool, for now.
Leaning innocent:
Tree- Being that vocal about Wiz and being scum seems high unlikely.
HH- It's not even worth diving into the possibilities of HH being scum and naming Wiz like that...
Fire- I really doubt a teammate would be the second D1 vote on their own boss.
The point I would make is that he's onto Wing, both in this post and in 469. This has to be seen as a pro-town attitude, in light of Wings known status.
Wing Nut provides another list. Remember, scum will always have a team member on their lists. The list is C Note, Narwhal and Chupa.
[AC] wing nut;2751618 said:
Most everyone had half the town as suspects. Hard to narrow it down when others aren't posting at all. Besides the real list were the top 4 the others were just suspect for low posting.
I'd say the top 3 of my list Cnote, Narwal and Chupa.
Cnote for twisting posts and trying to make more of something then there really is, Narwal because they look to latch onto people by explaining their posts for them and for his failure to get into the middle of anything. If anyone is doing what you say I am,posting enough to be seen but not enough to screw up its them. Then Chupas post are just out there. I can't even follow his logic most of the time. If you were looking for defense of Wiz he was it till the moment Wiz turned to ash.
I could have gone more in depth but anyone that has been following has read his posts and ones pulled by others. I see no reason why they need to be pulled again. I voted Chupa because there are posts to read, Cnote has hidden themselves and didn't post at all yesterday. I'd just as easily switch to the other 2.
I'm not complaining that we got Wiz thanks to your gut feeling, I said earlier there are times I wish I had gone with my gut. I'm complaining that now its going to be do as HH says no matter the evidence out there.
Can you honestly say the case against me is the best one out there?
Now, here's where I get a little queasy about Bad Haggis being a witch. He votes Wizard prior to Hammerhead coming out - I will find the post in question but it is early Day 2 and before the role claim.
I think Bad Haggis' early vote on Wing could be important in their defence so I highlight it in fairness to them.
I think one or more of Narwhal, Chupa and C Note is a witch.
Based on my own thoughts, my pick of those three would be Narwhal.