Mafia 100-The Witches Return-The Game

Night 2 Vote count:

Wizard-(9)-Hammerhead, Tree, Star, IQ, Narwhal, Scoop, Wing, Fire, Nem

Tree-(1)-Wizard

Dooms-(2)-BadHaggis, Chupa

Chupa-(1)-Dooms, Nem

Nem-(2)-Uhoh, Rickets

No votes: Gunslinger, C-note

Interesting there with the votes on Wiz...
 
[AC] RICKETS;2753439 said:
Okay... so?<br />
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You've contributed squat the whole game and you agree with a single point I made already... but you want to let Nemesis slide on a valid observation because it was me who posted it. LMAO. Unbelievable, Fire.

You're kinda mean.
 
Nemesis told me to go back and re-read his D3 posts so I have done that. It's taken me most of the day to review all posts for that whole day (in between doing water changes on 7 fishtanks as well.) Day 3 starts on Page 11 and ends on Page 19.... that's 8 pages of game thread at 40 posts per page. Holy crap!

Anyway...... here is what I found:

First off, I was reminded why I counted Nemesis suspicious in the first place. Nem started out as a very active frequent poster when the game started but his comments and game play was inconsistent. Nem's participation level and frequency of posts have also diminished drastically as the days progressed and we burned more and more witches.

(To make this readable, I've cut down almost the entire posts I pulled to just the part I'm commenting about or just the first line. The clickable links are all intact though so everyone can still find them all easily.)

Here Nemesis takes credit for thwarting Wiz's defense.

[AC] xx_Nemesis_xx;2751422 said:
I think its fair of me to point out that I dismantled pretty thoroughly Wizard's effort to make a defence of himself and to accuse Tree, and that immediately after the D1 votes I assessed Wizard as a good suspect.

Once again, Nemesis, it appears your point above was more to make sure you looked like a good townie in our eyes than anything else. From the beginning of Day 3, you reminded us Wiz was your lead suspect....... however, you voted an innocent Chup instead that night. Yours was the very last vote on Wiz on N2.

Perhaps that was why you felt the need to "prove" your pro-town status by claiming credit for dismantling Wiz's defense and calling him out as a good suspect. The same suspect you were soooo reluctant to vote for.

[AC] xx_Nemesis_xx;2751556 said:
Well, I'm happy enough with my posts against Wizard yesterday and my identifying him as a suspect after D1.

Just as you mentioned Bad Haggis and others as I have bolded above, I have a theory that the status of Bad Haggis could be linked to Wing if Wing is scum.

Here again, it seems it was more important for Nemesis to remind the town that they suspected Wiz early, despite the fact that Nem neglected to back up that suspicion with an actual vote.

Nemesis put out a theory connecting Wingnut and BadHaggis as possible scummates. It wasn't bad either but I'll get to what did about it later in this post.

Continuing my review of Nem's D3 posting, I didn't find many real motivated posts until coming across this one. It is disappointing Nem waited until AFTER Hammer came out as a PR and confirmed Wingnut as witch before Nem made this contribution to the case against them.

[AC] xx_Nemesis_xx;2751828 said:
LOL this is quite funny I was about to jump onto Wing myself then I saw HH's recent posting.

It was obvious Hammer was a PR long before he came out and said so. They did not try to hide who they were a full day earlier when they named Wiz not only scum but high priest to boot. The message Hammer gave us in their after-nightfall post naming Wingnut as scum was immediately received by all. Between the lines, Hammer let us know they just got Wingnut's invest result. There was a lot of discussion about Wingnut. Still, not as much from Nem who was active and posting.

Going through the motions at this point to add on to the case after Hammer came out, telling us to drop that discussion and move on to other suspects.... is little more than window dressing on Nem's part. Nem appears to have posted this not because it was relevant, but instead to demonstrate how pro-town Nem looks.

After that post came this one.

[AC] xx_Nemesis_xx;2751832 said:
The only thing I'd say about your list is that Hammer and Tree can be taken as confirmed innocent in my mind.

Wing confirmed as scum made you bring up Chup again. You then agreed Nar was a good suspect and mentioned the potential connection between Wing and BH. You held off voting anywhere.

You were not among those who voted Wingnut and retracted because of the plan for the warlock to turn Wing instead. You held back instead and were the last vote on Narwhal.

[AC] xx_Nemesis_xx;2751837 said:
OK this is quite long and goes up to post 520 or thereabouts.

Most of that post deals with Narwhal's posting and how they related to Wingnut and Wizard. This part was quite good, helpful, objective. Good work on the part of a townie.

You also noted you were getting a scummy vibe about Doom D2 and pulled a Doom post (regarding Wingnut) you thought made Doom seem pro-town.

At the end of this post you pulled another suspect list from Wingnut and went on to conclude Narwhal was the most suspicious between them, Chup, and Cnote.

You also ended that post with this subtle reversal of your earlier case against BadHaggis.

[AC] xx_Nemesis_xx;2751837 said:
Now, here's where I get a little queasy about Bad Haggis being a witch. He votes Wizard prior to Hammerhead coming out - I will find the post in question but it is early Day 2 and before the role claim.

I think Bad Haggis' early vote on Wing could be important in their defence so I highlight it in fairness to them.

I think one or more of Narwhal, Chupa and C Note is a witch.

Based on my own thoughts, my pick of those three would be Narwhal.

At this point, Nem, you had been leaning BadHaggis as witch but now highlight their early vote on Wingnut in Bad's defense. You based that consideration on their behalf on the fact that Bad's vote on Wiz happened before Hammer role claimed. Knowing now that Bad was also scum only they would have known if Wiz was unable to play.

There's nothing conclusive about the way you backed off on BadHaggis at exactly the same time you (apparently) decided you were going to vote with everyone else on Narwhal already. It could be just an honest mistake. It could be just a coincidence... I do acknowledge that. But this could also show you traded your tentative case off of one scummate (Bad) once you realized you HAD TO join the votes on your other scummate (Narwhal) instead.

If that is true this would be the second time you backed the truck up... like that. First, calling Wiz out as your top suspect but going on to defend him and not vote him. And second, subtly abandoning your case and mildly defending BadHaggis once it became necessary for you to vote Narwhal.

Incidentally... after all that you didn't place a vote. You waited. There were five other people including myself who voted Narwhal after this post and before you made your own Nar vote yourself.

I kept reading that day's posts to see if there's anything to explain what took you so long to vote Narwhal after making this extra long post against him.

Hammer voted Nar.
Fire voted Nar.
Doom voted Nar.
Rickets voted Nar.
HI IQ voted Nar.
Wingnut voted Hammer.
Then Nemesis finally voted Nar.

This is also the time I considered you and Doom as my top suspects. As you recall, I questioned Doom a bit harshly about my N2 vote post on you Nemesis. Thinking you were scum (inconsistent, remember?) but Doom didn't seem to see it the same way when I expected he should have..... I held my N3 vote on Doom for a long time before dropping that and voting Narwhal myself. To be honest, I wasn't paying attention to Narwhal as much... my focus was on Nemesis and Doom at that time.

I was also catching flack from Tree and Hammer for being overly cautious on our plan to turn Wingnut. It took time for me to catch up with what everyone was pointing out about Nar while I was looking somewhere else. But I don't see you Nem engaged in anything anywhere else that might explain what took you so long to vote Narwhal yourself.

BTW Night 3 is where Lady G missed my vote on Narwhal. After I pointed that out she added my name at the end of the vote count list. My vote actually landed on Narwhal after Doom voted them and before BadHaggis voted them.

Nemesis' vote to burn Narwhal came in dead last.

Here now it's the end of that day.

[AC] xx_Nemesis_xx;2752140 said:
Full disclosure - Nemesis is tired and has had a few drinks. I am gathering from the thread that we are happy that the warlock can turn Wing. That being so, unless we have a warlock who needs to wear a helmet to walk down the block, I would presume that Wing will be turned.

Narwhal is quite scummy, as I have previously said. I am now going to bed. I vote to lynch narwhal.

If I am wrong about the turn of Wing nut thing can somebody please post back immediately and tell me.

NB I am not skimming. I am just quite drunk.

(Note, I still have perfect grammar and spelling. That's just how I roll - in other news this post took me half an hour to make).

And this.

[AC] xx_Nemesis_xx;2752144 said:
OK so Drunk Nemesis is going to bed now.

Hopefully Narhwal is lynched as scum and Wing gets turned.

That would be like so totes amazeballs.

So Nemesis. You decided to vote Narwhal and rescind your case against BadHaggis. You left the thread, got drunk, then returned to place the last vote on Narwhal before leaving again to go to bed for the night.

This sums up your participation with us on Day 3.
 
[AC] Star-Crossed;2753451 said:
Go look back at the whopping 32 posts Scoop has made this game. I challenge you to find any where he's done any real digging or questioned anyone. He's coasted this whole game.

Ok. I've reread from where I quoted cnote to current, looking mostly at cnote, rickettss and star.

I really sm itching to omgus someone, and I'm still happy to vote Ricketts, but can't find a reason to think Star is anything but townie. I'm still happy that cnote is town. I'll swap to Scoop.
 
Interesting post there on Nem, Rickets.

I like my vote on Fire, but I would also like to vote for Scoop, and possibly Nem. I have to get to bed now, and I'm not sure how much time I'll have after work before I have to leave for dinner with my friends. I will be missing nightfall again most likely.
 
Good grief. When I got done looking at all of the D3 posts, I couldn't quite remember what I was looking for.

Here that is:

[AC] xx_Nemesis_xx;2753262 said:
I'm also pretty happy that as previously discussed my vote on Nar remained important, and in fact guaranteed the lynch.

It was this boastful comment from Nem about how important their vote on Narwhal was. I was here on Day 3... couldn't figure out what Nem was talking about. So to that I had made this reply.

[AC] RICKETS;2753275 said:
About your vote on Nar........ I may have missed the previous discussion you referred to about how your specific vote on Nar was that important. Would you (or someone else?) point me to that? I don't want to overlook something that does weigh in your favor.

As I see from the N3 vote count there were 7 other votes on Narwhal N3 before Nem voted them too. Looks to me like Nar's burn was a foregone conclusion by the time Nem voted.

Here, Nemesis told me to go back and have a look. So I did.

[AC] xx_Nemesis_xx;2753277 said:
As regards Nar, you go back and have a look at the votes yourself. The subject was discussed quite clearly and distinctly at the time. Were you not reading the game then ?

I'm perfectly happy that my play of this game read correctly shows pro-town and nothing else.

Alright, Nemesis. I reread the entire day including all your posts, all the votes, and all discussion about those votes.

Your late and inconsequential vote on Narwhal was neither "previously discussed" that day... nor was it "important" by any stretch of the imagination.

It also most certainly did NOT "guarantee" Narwhal's lynch.

This shows that your self-congratulatory bragging contains no substance and does not bear up against the posts you made D3 in this game.
 
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