Mafia 104 - Dawg the Bounty Hunter - The Play

[dundadundun]

I have been going back and forth through this game thread looking for anything that sticks out. Not much does.

Neph isn't giving me very warm fuzzies right now.

It also seems odd that Labby seems to be having the same thoughts that I do. It always worries me when Labby and I seem to be on the same page.:uhoh:

I don't like it much either Wiz...

that makes 3 of us. and wouldn't you know it, he turned up innocent. wondering if his seeming slip ups weren't just too convenient for someone.

 

[dundadundun]

I have been going back and forth through this game thread looking for anything that sticks out. Not much does.

Neph isn't giving me very warm fuzzies right now.

It also seems odd that Labby seems to be having the same thoughts that I do. It always worries me when Labby and I seem to be on the same page.:uhoh:

You're taking what I said out of context. I said there's no point in listing who you would turn...totally different from just listing suspects.

almost buying it... but not quite.

 

[dundadundun]

ugh... that quote from wiz was not supposed to be in that last post.

 

[jbradt]

Your voting for me because the scum are playing well?

I find it odd how quite some are being. Not over the top kicking and questioning going on. Just some digging at this and that. I also do agree that Zaffy has gone with some thin logic and slight posts. he also has thrown in several times that he is innocent and not the turn, very off for him.

I vote to lynch Zaffy.

Any one or any thing else that's even a little interesting to you, Rich? There has to be something that has caught your eye by now.

 

[rich311k]

Any one or any thing else that's even a little interesting to you, Rich? There has to be something that has caught your eye by now.

Not really. I see mostly fights over semantics.

 

[the wizard]

Wiz, I keep forgetting you are even playing the game.

Now that Neph is gone, who seemed to be the only person you thought suspicious, do you have any other leads? There is a surprising lack of digging from you this round. Whether it's your schedule or not, your gameplay is uncharacteristic.

As I stated in the sign up thread, things are different at work and I have been working later lately, and we are trying to launch a business as well.

Add to that living ith someone that is also in the game and you have very limited time to dig. I am trying to keep up though.

As for suspicions, I didn't have much to go on as I said. With Neph either ignoring or not seeing the last question I had posted to him about blood on his hands he was my best suspect.

Like I said, it bothers me when Labby and I are on the same page. So I do intend to look closer there, there seems to be something not setting right with me about Zaff so I intend to look closer there. Finally, had Neph flipped scum I was planning on looking at you a lot closer as you were the only one who posted what I had seen in his play development since he started playing.

IIRC you stated you expected more definitive reason or logic or something like that, indicating to me that you might have chosen to turn him as most players would not suspect that he would be turned.

 

[the wizard]

Just a thought, Wizard, on seeing this post again. I wonder if it concerned you that scum votes were spread out too much or didn't blend in very well. And, in light of the double vote from Bally, there stood a good chance we'd be able to narrow down at least one scum player today from among very few names, had that extra vote changed the lynch result or forced a tie.



Here again, you mention the votes were spread thin which makes this more compelling. I imagine someone scummy must have felt quite vulnerable at the time despite the fact that Bally habitually UDs from both sides.

The alternative to spreading out our votes would be to pile votes on to just a few names. And we already know that just makes it easier for scum to hide/blend in. So I wonder why you seem concerned about votes being spread out like they were.

My statement stands on its own. Anyone that is any good at all knows that when the town is spread that thin on the votes, the scum doesn't have to do much in the way of last minute vote switching to get their candidate lynched.

The mere fact that you didn't take that post at it's obvious face value makes me wonder which side you are on.

 

[dundadundun]

i don't recall ever seeing pappy so worked up and defensive in a game...

Please explain how me saying "Thanks" is an indication of me and Chill communicating within the thread and why Pir flipping innocent had any involvement.





Personally, I'm not so worried about scum looking at lists because they're going to do what they think is best for their team...but that's why I think the lists are a dead end. Even if one of those people flip scum there are enough people in this game to create a list of innocents. Should we lynch our way through that list in case they maybe put a teammate on there? I could possibly be something to consider if it comes down to choosing between two players and one is more turn-worthy than the other.

By naming those people as your suspects you are creating a bias in your thinking, and if those people all happen to be innocent then you are hurting the town.



I'd like to know why, after everything that has been discussed, the "Thanks" still sticks out to you. Talk about making a mountain out of a molehill...

If that one word response could hold any legitimate meaning then essentially anything I say could mean something...which really means nothing in this game because that's the point of mafia, to find meaning and intent behind what is being typed. But for you and Bally and whomever else mentioned it to say "Chill and Pap could be having an alliance or team there" and then not even attempt to explain WHY that makes any sense for us to do so is just muddying the waters.


Understandable, but you best believe I'll be expecting a legitimate vote by nightfall.

Dun, please explain what the heck this means...first off, any alliances would be predetermined by turns. If I was scum I wouldn't be forming alliances in the game thread because that's not how the game works (there's probably also a scum thread for discussing things). Second, what does the vote counts have to do with this? Are you saying that the scum aren't going to vote together?

The fact that you are saying I could form an alliance in the game thread...that's not how mafia games work! And the fact of the matter is I'm not sure I believe it was just a compliment because you floated that idea out there earlier in regards to the "Thanks" comment I posted to Chill.



Which is exactly why I don't understand why you didn't place it on Zaffy, like you said you would yesterday.



But then you come up with this "reasoning"...why wait until so late in the day to even bring that up?

At this point I'm between Neph and Dun. I feel like making it even more interesting and see what develops among the votes that still need to be placed...

I vote to lynch Dun

I hope to be around for nightfall tonight.

The only reason you brought this up initially was because of that meaningless post of mine to Chill, so how can you say that it has no bearing on this? Again, you were suggesting I could do something as scum without any indication as to how it pertains to the context of the game at hand. To me it seems you just wanted names out there.

As for using the word "alliance," you originally said SCUM alliance meaning I could not have let an innocent take the fall as you described above. Unless you just felt like suggesting twice that I could be scum without any reason to do so?



Since you're pointing out the wording used, I'd like to also point out that you then said "it will still be Zaffy till something better comes along" which, to me, indicates that any future placeholder vote would also be placed on Zaffy.

I understand rethinking your thoughts on him, but it bugs me when players do somewhat of a 180 on players without any notice.

Ok Dun...



Above you very clearly state that my post could indicate a SCUM alliance (or PR involvement) and then say you're going to keep an eye on me and Chill. You also state that Pir's innocence had something to do with it, although I can't think of a reason why that even mattered.



Here I first question your statement.



Your response basically just states that it could be something or it couldn't be...no explanation as to how it was possible or why me and Chill would have done what you said.



Here I state that you are providing no evidence for why Chill and I could be on a team. From there you don't respond...



Then Chill poses a question to Rich. Your name is mentioned in regards to Kash's question, but Chill never asked you anything...



But you interject and say that Kash is capable of doing something while scum and AGAIN bring up my name saying I could "form alliances"



When I ask what you meant, you say that it was a compliment.



Then I ask again why you specifically said I could form an alliance. I also say that I don't think it was a compliment because you mentioned me and alliances earlier (look above).


You "explanation" is something about me as scum teaming up with an innocent and then having them take the fall...

So, in conclusion...

1) You initially floated the idea out there that Chill and I are somehow scum or PRs teamed up because of a meaningless post

2) When questioned, you offer no reasonable explanation as to how or why that would make any sense

3) After no encouragement, you respond to a post not even directed at you and bring up the idea of me making alliances again

4) You final response is stating that I could team up with an innocent and have them take the fall

See any inconsistencies in there? Your "compliments" seem more like a facade to get my name out there and suggest I could do A, B, and C as scum without any explanation as to how that fits into the context of this game.

I'm worried because already one person (Bally) seemed to consider latching on to the idea that saying "Thanks" to Chill somehow indicated we were working together...but neither of you have given an ounce of reason as to why that is possible. Whether or not you listed me as a suspect or not, you're floating an the idea out there and I find it extremely scummy to speculate without putting that speculation into the context of the game. So what if Kash or I or anyone else could pull something off? So could plenty of other players in this game, and that seems like pretty common knowledge given the player list we started with...show me WHERE that is happening, HOW the person could be scum because of it, and WHY it would make sense for them, as scum, to do so.

For me to not ask anything, have the topic "die", and then have you jump back and throw that one-liner when you weren't even asked anything definitely makes me worried that you're just fishing for others to agree with you and then find a way to railroad me...are you sure you're not putting into motion the same thing you said I was capable of? The only time your name was mentioned in Chill's post was him questioning Rich in going after you with Kash and then saying he had no qualms with you answering Kash's question. You turned that into a response partially about me being able to play certain ways as scum. Please tell me how you went from A to B...why was my name brought up again at all?

The problem I have is that you tend to be a more thorough player DD. Maybe not long winded, but not as careless as to say that you had an issue with Rich's post and then turn around and say that you actually agreed with him. And then to use his post to end up at a conclusion you previously posted? Too weird for me to be comfortable with...



I never thought you would because to do so with such little to vote for would put you in a bad situation. I may just be paranoid, but I still don't trust what you're saying.

How about a serious vote? Or are you now comfortable voting for FF?

Are you admitting you have no suspects of your own then?

It's not D1 anymore.

Do you actually think your vote is helping the town by being placed on FF for no reason other than he posted after you did?

Yikes, not a good nightfall.


At least I voted a top suspect and put together a case for the town to see which I think more than justified my vote.

You, on the other hand, didn't do any real digging all day and left a vote on FF for no game related reason.

That's where I'm going. You had more than 3 minutes to come up with a much better suspect.

i didn't think much of it at the time, but looking back over it, i'm just not comfortable letting it slip. especially since this isn't the first time he tried to get me to change my vote. last time that happened he and lady G railroaded me. pretty sure scum won that game and LG got caught up in it.

i vote to lynch Jpappy

 

[Lab_Rat]

The person whose vote was doubled for Bally's UD knows it was doubled, correct? So they know whether Bally is scum or innocent. If the doubled vote person is innocent, wouldn't they know Bally was scum? Shouldn't they come forward with that information? I can see where this could backfire, if Bally is innocent and scum comes out as innocent, saying their vote was doubled, but then we'd know for the next nightfall that they were lying and were scum. I know there is no RCing allowed, but I don't remember anything about not announcing if you got your vote doubled. Maybe Dawg can clarify, but if we were able to find this bit of info that might help us get on the right track. Same goes for whoever was doubled for Dun's UD. Any thoughts on that idea?

that makes 3 of us. and wouldn't you know it, he turned up innocent. wondering if his seeming slip ups weren't just too convenient for someone.

What are you inferring?

 

[jpappy789]

maybe it's just me, but i hope we're to a point now where everyone doesn't agree with this. yes... everything said in the thread can be used by both sides... and the scum have their den... but a select few PRs in the town have communication leaving the rest of us out to dry if there's no in-thread communication.

i'm just not seeing a reason to "hush-up". how else are we going to make it in this forsaken town?

P.S. i'd like to hear both your thoughts.

Stating that you suspect someone because YOU would turn them is lazy and means nothing when, as I said, I could more easily list the people I probably wouldn't turn at this point in the game. Only the scum know what their reasons are for turning whomever they have turned so far...so unless you'd like to share I don't see how it's going to help the town.

almost buying it... but not quite.

Is this your attempt at digging? Should I assume you are suspecting me now?

As I stated in the sign up thread, things are different at work and I have been working later lately, and we are trying to launch a business as well.

Add to that living ith someone that is also in the game and you have very limited time to dig. I am trying to keep up though.

As for suspicions, I didn't have much to go on as I said. With Neph either ignoring or not seeing the last question I had posted to him about blood on his hands he was my best suspect.

Like I said, it bothers me when Labby and I are on the same page. So I do intend to look closer there, there seems to be something not setting right with me about Zaff so I intend to look closer there. Finally, had Neph flipped scum I was planning on looking at you a lot closer as you were the only one who posted what I had seen in his play development since he started playing.

IIRC you stated you expected more definitive reason or logic or something like that, indicating to me that you might have chosen to turn him as most players would not suspect that he would be turned.

Neph has definitely progressed well as a player seeing as I think this was only his third game or so. As I said above, I'm not going to speculate who I would turn because I'm not in a position to decide or provide any input.

But since you asked, Neph would be a possibility but there are enough vets with more experience where I doubt I would pick Neph up to this point. Not to mention he still has the habit of saying things that get him on consistently the lynch block...as we saw, but none of this really means anything. I'm not seeing the point in your speculation since, last I checked, Neph flipped innocent.Why are you even alluding that I would turn Neph?

My statement stands on its own. Anyone that is any good at all knows that when the town is spread that thin on the votes, the scum doesn't have to do much in the way of last minute vote switching to get their candidate lynched.

The mere fact that you didn't take that post at it's obvious face value makes me wonder which side you are on.

Why would they do any switching unless a scum was close enough to the noose to make them worry? You're making it seem like the scum team cares about lynching specific innocents rather than just any innocent.