Mafia #12

[ZSandmann]

I agree that my vote bouncing is not helpful.

I sure liked just voting for a role player and waiting until the next day.

I have read and read and I have a few indications, but most of it is just specualtion. There is lots still to learn.

Two things have jumped out on this day one with lots and lots of posts.

1) There has not been a major issue on mee-mee's vote for "no one"

2) There has been no attempt to lynch DP to save the town from lynching a power role or an innocent.

A late vote now from DP is almost the same a no vote. I do not see how DP could avoid the hot seat if they were to post now.

Ok glad to hear from you JL. Since you responded to one of my posts I'll address each of your, very valid, points.
1. I hate No-One votes. Hate, hate, hate them, but I can't just lynch someone for doing it. If this was the old way it would be worse, but now that no vote = death, folks may be more inclined to do it to save their backside.
2. After the last game where DP did this I've learned that it may be better to play the game as if these folks did not exist, yes this is the second time. The first time DP was Mafia and we were waiting and waiting for them to show. We can go after the easy way out by voting DP, but we won't get any useful information from it as they will not respond.
3. Yes, anything from DP at this point will only make me believe they MUST be Mafia and are trying to save their game.

Thank you JL this post has eased my concerns about you.

 

[johnlarson66]

Ice, he must have missed the part by Ogre about going back to basics. A no vote does not mean anything at the moment until someone feels comfortable placing a vote for someone who seems plausible. Which I did...

Voting for "no one" is bad for the town. That is as basic as it gets.

Why vote, if you are going to vote "no one".

The way I see it, you only changed after I pointed it out.

 

[IceH2O]

Crap Mafia never vote each other how could Swayde be Mafia, what was I thinking saying they both seemed suspesious to me???

Is this back-peddling? I'd like Ice's insight on this one.

Yeah I construe it as back pedaling because she posted HOW they could both be mafia when she made the accusations.

Yep, I feel pretty good about my vote..thanks Swayde! And yes I have thought ppl to be both mafia that voted each other, especially early when there is enough time to pull off just like you did.

Plus I would of been the 3rd to vote for Sov. so it was getting a little dangerous for you to stay on her if it was for distancing purposes.

 

[mee-mee]

You do what you want JL...

vote change

I vote to lynch mee-mee

This has been a crazy day one.

I am not sure if I am saving DangerDoll, but I am uneasy at voting for her.

I also am not sold on Lady G.

mee-mee seems to be the best choice.

The reason (I will say again), is because there was no one I felt at the moment I wanted to vote for. Too early in the game. And I am not going to do vote changing like you and LG have done. It has gotten me in trouble in the past for changing votes too many times. So I did what I felt was safe at the moment, and then as the day went on, I saw some things and the person I had voted for has been more defensive and argumentative than previous games.....

With less than 4 hours left, you placed a vote.

I did not miss it.

What has been missed on why no one has thought this was an issue.

 

[Hooked Newbie]

Jpap still hasnt posted eh....hmmmmm....got some painting to do so I'll be off and on all day...my suspects:
Jpap- his timing is bad. He has not responded to myself and others who have voiced suspicion of him.
LadyG- are you trying to be helpful??? Thats the second time I've seen you try to shine what seems like a normal post in a bad light. When you have been a townie in the past i have found your posts to be quite helpful. Not the case this time, my hairy friend.
ZS- i have one of those Cory Lover gut feelings on this one, and not much more. I'll just bide my time and wait for ZS to make a mistake. And when he does, he'll find out this cat has claws

I think Mee-Mee is acting normally as well....at least for the past 2 games that she's participated in. She's said something off on the first day both times and got lynched and been innocent both times. I am also willing to give her the benefit of doubt and let her have some more time to see if she is helpful or seems bad.

Lady G has me very concerned. I don't know what to think of Jpappy, he fooled me so horribly bad last game I don't feel confident being able to read him at all =( DD gives off an evil vibe to me in every single game, so far I've only seen her as evil and power role, I am inclined to think she's good this time around because she's posting quite a bit more than normal, but we'll see.

I am holding my vote on Sovran for now, since she hasn't been back since early yesterday and I still find her posts totally unhelpful.

RB, why did you vote for the 3rd person on your list? That seems a bit odd.

I don't have any opinions on anyone else right now.

I stopped going at it with you because it wasn't going anywhere. It's already been made clear that pointing my thoughts out was/is not a good thing... rather, the town has chosen not to take them into an account of which I find pappy, and maybe anyone else who has defended it to be suspicious. Yes, everyone should be suspicious by your opinion, but these folks, they seem more so. You included. Why I didn't defend myself when you changed votes and placed y ours on me? What could I possibly say to defend myself when I already know your position. I already know what your reason is... remember, that thing that you can't seem to let go? The list, and because I didn't include the whole "volunteer" thing with it. Do I think it is the right thing, of course not because I am merely a townie, and in no way Mafia. But why am I going to argue anymore with you. It's clear that everyone is taking your thoughts over mine. If the town decides to lynch me as a whole, I could only wish that they follow those who are joining you, and making note of the list early enough before you and your cronies begin "switching" again. Yes, I even thought of changing my vote to you but decided against it. I am glad I did because of pappy's post next, just below.


Pappy, you and your crew already made this clear by cutting me down throughout the day yesterday and last night. Didn't you read everything? Wait, I think YOU even mentioned this in one of your, oh let me see.... ah yes, one of your 8 posts through this thread. Here it is below:


Fine, your list wasn't serious and I even made a note of that and posted as such but you see papp, the avenue here that you chose to take is right with Ice. You do not note on how Ice keeps mentioning the list, I will not say "bringing it up" because that might be the wrong phrase to use. But Ice most certainly continues to mention it in almost all his posts until the big "vote switch". Even after I question it, he continues to "mention" it.

Gosh you guys are really making yourselves obvious. See the thing is, some things don't really have to be all that complicated, of which is just what I believe you guys are trying to do by coercing the connection of volunteering and "the list". When there is a foolish post made, it just needs to be examined, perhaps twice. The list, I think was a foolish post.
I will say it again, if I go tonight, please be wary of Ice, Pappy, JL, and I will say one in addition is Lady G. G because of the crafty twists she uses. She is not high on the list, just someone I think should be watched is all.

*game off*
King, all my best to you and your family. **Hugs**
*game on*

yes, I would

I included the entire posts to show that I wasn't taking anything out of context. This was from one page of 30 posts... I could provide more, but won't. All during this time, I wrote it off and just told myself to keep an eye out.

 

[plantling]

Argh. having technical difficulties. when is night? I have to say Lady G has gotten some pple mixed up in this game. Unvote sovran, vote to lynch Lady G.

 

[Hooked Newbie]

With less than 4 hours left, you placed a vote.

I did not miss it.

What has been missed on why no one has thought this was an issue.

It was an issue. I voted for her for it as did others I beieve. I like you posting and questioning folks. Read back to earlier though.

 

[Lady G]

Please don't misconstrue my vote change as anything other than this:, I am seriously just tired of wadding through all the garbage she has posted, ..I have had doubts about DD and have said that if a better candidate has come, i will vote them, I just think, without Lady G mucking things up, we could have a better chance at seeing something worth looking at, ..lol, I am still not settled on Not voting for DD, however, I still have tom, and what Lady G is will tell me alot. ( I am writing this response because your post came out while I was posting)

AND, I agree, this is the weirdest day one ever! opcorn:

WOW, you are amazing to say the least...yes let's vote someone cause well they bug me, who cares about hitting mafia

She names 5 people to look after...


Then she mentions me...
For one thing I was supposed to be in the last game...Brains2...I ended up locking myself out of the site...And then she throws in Ice.


Then she goes after DD...


She then throws Sov in there...as someone to watch


And then she goes after Ice..


Does she admit she is twisting words? Maybe or not


And why the caps for Swayde



Now goes after Swayde...


Still on Swayde...


And again still on Swayde...


And then she switches to HN...


Still on HN...



You haven't argued this way before in the other games LG...You are usually all over the board with people and and making posts about people, you usually don't go after people full force like you did. And when you were called out you usually let it go, but you have been on HN and Sway for sometime. And yes, I didn't make a list on the first day, because it really doesn't prove much. Just like the list JP did, which didn't bring out much.


This is for JL, as for my posting in the previous games, I was always defending myself and I never had a chance to do a list because everyone was always all over me. So how did I have a chance to do any lists in previous games when all I did was defend myself and I ended up getting lynched or staked or bit or whatever you want to call it.

Yes, actually I have agrued this way before MM. In the first quote you have Jap highlighted...I didn't say to watch him I said it concerned me so many votes were going his way so fast. Actually I didn't say to "watch" anyone, just a few observation...oh yeah that's mafiaish isn't it.
The second post...well how could I NOT mention you, anyone who didn't see anything odd w/ you is questionable at that point. And yes the Ice/DD thing was unnerving...nothing off there?
Post 3 didn't really "go after" DD, just made a comment so what?
Post 4 Yep here is one I actually NAME someone and I do see her as Mafia at this point.
post 5 Questioned Ice, so he was seeming off to me...guess what by posting that I got a response that eased my mind ok so no biggie there.
Post 6 Nope didn't say I twisted words, said that he thought I was and he did the same.

 

[IceH2O]

Argh. having technical difficulties. when is night? I have to say Lady G has gotten some pple mixed up in this game. Unvote sovran, vote to lynch Lady G.

In about 45 minutes

 

[mee-mee]

Ya must have missed this one JL...

For now I vote for no one. Subject to change. Not written in stone.

[/QUOTE]

Voting for "no one" is bad for the town. That is as basic as it gets.

Why vote, if you are going to vote "no one".

The way I see it, you only changed after I pointed it out.

And my vote changing had nothing to do with you saying about me not voting for someone..