Mafia #12

[johnlarson66]

I have a little more time, I am in moutain time, but my computer and watch are on central.

 

[johnlarson66]

Just look at Sovran's response when ewurm came out.

I think they thought it was a mistake for him to balckmail jpappy and told him not to do it, but he was freaking out because there were votes on him.

Jpappy was the wrong one to blackmail, becuase it made no sense for him to come off of ewrum. I am certain this pissed off the rest of the team.

My belief is that the team is in total disarry and not talking much to each other.

I really think ewurm just wanted to throw in the towel. I think if you read Sovran's reaction it will firm it up.

If you think at all that Sovran is mafia, then I think you should vote Sovran. If you do not think Sovran is mafia, then do not vote for Sovran.

That is how I feel about rbishop. I do not think he is mafia, so I will not be voting for him.

Also hear this, when rbishop comes up innocent, then HN or Sovran will point at me - How did johnlarson66 KNOW that rbishop is innocent. He MUST be mafia!

Ewurm did point me out as innocent, was that to gain my trust?

Also, I am not calling out the Detective. I think if they had something or if we were close to lynching someone that was innocent, they would speak up. I am calling out HN, I think that he is mafia and will attempt to claim to be the Detective.

 

[johnlarson66]

There is no way we can know. I don't like the idea that JL is basing his entire strategy on there being 4 mafia, which is what Ewurm said, and frankly I don't believe Ewurm at all because I know in his place I'd sure as heck try and do whatever I could to trick the town on my way out so my team could win. Making us think there were 4 total mafia when there were 5 would certianly be one heck of a way to do it. Gives us a false sense of security and more freely make a mistake on a lynch. If there were 4 to begin with then we are 6-2 and have wiggle room. If there were 5 to being with than we are at 5-3 and have no room for error unless the doc can block another hit.

Lovely, and now JL is gone until after nightfall, with his vote on Sovran going totally against the plan we'd agreed on yesterday when we had Plantling agreeing as well WHO IS INNOCENT. And he didn't even bother to address my concerns. JL is one crafty, sneaky player and I for one dont' trust him and find his behaviour to be HIGHLY suspicious.

Oh and he's trying to call out the detective, by saying he bets HN will claim it...there are only 2 ways I'd ever make that statement personally, one would be if I was the detective and to warn others against believing someone else, the other would be if I was mafia, had investigated the detective and tried to discredit them.

I am very, very, very unhappy with voting Sovran right now. I am totally against changing our plan, there has been nothing, aside from statements made by a Mafia Don on his way out of the game that has changed things...doesn't that scare the beejeebers out of anyone else????

I can agree with not trusting me. I could be mafia. Ewurm did name me as innocent on his way out.

I am not asking you to trust me. I would only want that if I was a confirmed innocent.

I am saying to look at Sovran reaction when ewurm came out.

To me that sums it up.

 

[Swayde]

Just look at Sovran's response when ewurm came out.

I think they thought it was a mistake for him to balckmail jpappy and told him not to do it, but he was freaking out because there were votes on him.

Jpappy was the wrong one to blackmail, becuase it made no sense for him to come off of ewrum. I am certain this pissed off the rest of the team.

My belief is that the team is in total disarry and not talking much to each other.

I really think ewurm just wanted to throw in the towel. I think if you read Sovran's reaction it will firm it up.

If you think at all that Sovran is mafia, then I think you should vote Sovran. If you do not think Sovran is mafia, then do not vote for Sovran.

That is how I feel about rbishop. I do not think he is mafia, so I will not be voting for him.

Also hear this, when rbishop comes up innocent, then HN or Sovran will point at me - How did johnlarson66 KNOW that rbishop is innocent. He MUST be mafia!

Ewurm did point me out as innocent, was that to gain my trust?

Also, I am not calling out the Detective. I think if they had something or if we were close to lynching someone that was innocent, they would speak up. I am calling out HN, I think that he is mafia and will attempt to claim to be the Detective.

I guess that's it then. I am not willing to follow along with your assumptions based on Ewurm's post and responses to it. I am sticking with the plan from yesterday.

 

[johnlarson66]

So this power is gone. I think the Don was pretty desperate.

I am guessing that ewurm is the Don.

I am also guessing if he is not leading in votes, he will post. If he is leading in votes, there will be no reason to post.

I think keeping our votes on ewurn right now is best.

We still have the detective and the doctor has one known innocent. If jpappy had not revealed he was blackmailed, we would be in better shape, but I think we are in good shape.

I think we should list who we think could be mafia. This will be important if the mafia hit someone tonight. Maybe the doctor can do it again.

My list is:

judgemax
rbishop
hookednewbie
dangerdoll
sovran

Now I know my list has more mafia listed than there is. That is why I am not comfortable for a plan b.

I am still kinda stuck on Ogre's comments "This... umm... ought to be interesting. Good luck everyone."

I do not think my first three names makes it "interesting", but make a 4 person mafia group out of: mee-mee, ewrum, sovran, and dangerdoll. Well that is interesting.

Here I posted that I thought erwum was the Don. I also posted that I thought the mafia team was 4.

 

[johnlarson66]

I hate being used

ewurm is the don. that is what ogre found interesting maybe??

you are being forced to vote for me. they are going to win Jpap, but its not your fault

I just hope that if Jpap is getting blackmailed, that he doesn't die for hinting at it to us, cause that would really suck.

I believe you'd be ahead even without his vote right now...

pappy if you aren't being blackmailed I'll beat you with a shoe

I think your lying, If you were really blackmailed, you couldnt tell, and you just did?...so why are you trying so hard to save charlie?..hes taking it better than you, ..you voting for him, so youll look innocent?..i don't get it?....:hypnotized:

doesnt the fact the don has blackmailed say anything to you???

ewurm=don
charlie=innocent

So you claim. Where's the proof of that?

Now we know that ewurm had jpappy blackmailed. Please pay attention to HN comments during this. This exchange is what made me think that HN was mafia. I also am trying to find the post where I was accused of "defending" Charlie. I was not, but I was not jumping on the charlie trian either. I think it was by HN, but want to find it first.

Sorry for the long post. I only have a little more time to play until tommorrow.

 

[johnlarson66]

Okay, I have to head out to the airport.

I do agree ewurm is suspicous. It also appears that mee-mee's lack of activity could get her killed for not voting.

I think we can get mee-mee the next day.

I am thinking that Ogre's interesting comment is that the mafia are players that are more low key or newer.

vote change

I vote to lynch ewurm

I will be curious of what mee-mee says and does in the next 3 or so hours.

I will be back after midnight. It would be great to have a blocked hit, good luck Doctor!

Votes:
4 - Ewurm: Swayde, ZSandmann, pappy, JL
3 - Charlie: HN, rbishop, ewurm
2 - Sovran: DD, Plantling
1 - Mee-Mee: Charlie
1 - DD: Sovran

I'm glad to see that there's more to read and more discussion going on today. I am a bit alarmed at how quickly everyone switched off of Charlie though especially because he is apparently only suspicious of those that were the most talked about today. There are a couple people on Ewurm that I am tending to trust though and generally agree that Ewurm is looking pretty shady. I also see some people that I perceive to be "protecting" Charlie an that concerns me. There are also some folks that seem to "agree" with just about everyone and I think they may be staying off the radars because of it. I'm not ready to switch my vote yet, but may if it'll matter. If it won't matter, I believe I'll shft it to one of the stealthier folks this game that has yet to have a vote cast against them.

i would disagree with the word "protecting" me. i would say its more like they have come up with better suspects. I am curious which players you feel are "protecting" me.
You seem disappointed the Charlie train has stopped. Don't worry, I'm sure MM or Sov will tip the scales back my way soon enough. I am glad so many find me suspicious. If I'm not lynched, maybe the mob won't kill me tonight. Why hit a guy who's only a post or so away from getting himself hanged.

I'm not "disappointed", like I said I was "a bit alarmed" by the speed it happened. Thanks for changing my words for me. As far as who appeared to be protecting you, I was referring primarily to JL but since he's gone I can't question him on it. He tried to sell the mee-mee thing really hard until the Ewurm alternative presented itself. Seemed that he didn't care as long as it wasn't you. You are trying to say that mee-mee and Sov will lead the town? I find that a bit far-fetched. At least this post remained consistent and you didn't pass up the opportunity to claim or allude to being innocent.

Here is the post about me protecting Charlie, which I did not. I think somewhere I posted that Charlie could be mafia, I just felt that mee-mee and ewurm were better targets.

 

[johnlarson66]

One more thing.

The only thing I can really see that rbishop has done is follow HN.

I think lynching rbishop at this time is a mistake. I think if planting was around and there was a choice between rbishop or Sovran, plantling would vote Sovran. Maybe that is why plantling was hit.

I hate that I can't be around more this day. I have posted a whole days worth of stuff. I hope I have not gone all "neon julie" on the game.

I was also hoping that there would be some responses. I thought there might be some players online.

What ever happens, I think that we can afford to be wrong one day.

I also think that it will make sense for the mafia to point at me. I will not be around to defend myself and I make a good target.

 

[Hooked Newbie]

Ok, I didn't want to do this until tomorrow but to end the confusion.

I am the Detective. I believe both the Doc and mafia know this and am pretty sure the Doc saved me.

Investigations-

Night 1- Doc
Night 2- DD = Innocent
Night 3- Jmax = Mafia

I'd suggest that everyone votes for Jmax and I'll investigate the town's choice between Rb, Sov, or JL.

Until Ewurm's list, I was pretty convinced about Sov and still am. Today's flurry has me worried about JL again though. We've got to know that even with Ewurm as the Don, there's other "leadership" that has been guiding them. I figure that the Mafia saw Ewurm's pending demise and placed those names intentionally. Either they saw Sov as "expendable" to create credibility to get the town to ynch me or they gave 2 innocent names. Everyone votes Sov and she's innocent and everyone could say we all suspected her.

I'll be on for about 30 more minutes, told the boss I had an errand to run. Feel free to ask me anything you want to know or better yet, someone else come out so that I'll know an extra. Doc stay vigilant!

 

[Hooked Newbie]

One more thing.

The only thing I can really see that rbishop has done is follow HN.

I think lynching rbishop at this time is a mistake. I think if planting was around and there was a choice between rbishop or Sovran, plantling would vote Sovran. Maybe that is why plantling was hit.

I hate that I can't be around more this day. I have posted a whole days worth of stuff. I hope I have not gone all "neon julie" on the game.

I was also hoping that there would be some responses. I thought there might be some players online.

What ever happens, I think that we can afford to be wrong one day.

I also think that it will make sense for the mafia to point at me. I will not be around to defend myself and I make a good target.

I'm not going to nitpick all your posts, but this has me concerned. I don't think we can afford a bad night.