Mafia #14 -- The Play

I agree with your observations about Dp Swayde...but when I went back and looked at game 12, do you realize he even came out and voted himself on day one (yes, he retracted it), if you take a look...he did MANY "un"innocent things...this is really the biggest thing keeping my vote off him right now. Yes, I agree his actions are very mafia"ish" but looking back he did it then too. Not defending him in ANY way just making my own observations right now.

Well I have to start the process of getting ready for work, I will try to get another post or two in before I go, but just in case I don't make it back on I want to add one last thing...I retract my vote for Jensons and revote to LYNCH JMAX .

My vote for Jensons was more for reaction, which I did get... from Ice, guess he is still in the game.


In the Werewolf game I saw DP viewing the thread for awhile, he never posted. I finally called him on it and he went away. That was on Day 1, he got lynched because of it and was a Werewolf.
 
sigh...this is a very interesting day to say the least...but here are my thoughts on pretty much everyone

Chas's UD thing has me worried. Usually he is all over anyone who even votes for him, even when he is innocent, but now he is going "sacrifice" himself for the town!? trying to seem noble and buy yourself another day puny waterboy? not a good idea imo and I think a townie would recognize that.

Dp...its hard to pinpoint where he is going sometimes, especially with all the vote changing and then the KOTD style response to the votes.

Lg does seem all over the place but not sure how much of that I can attribute to her being scummy or her playing aggressive as usual

the blueiz vs. jm debate seemed to have quieted down. Both appear mafia to me just based on reactions and such but I do not feel comfortable with a vote on either of them

Dj's last post kinda reminded me of bluerat last game with that last post of theirs...not sure what the heck that is supposed to mean or who that is directed towards...but a newb so I will cut them SOME slack but not much after last game

Of course I am still a little wary of a few people in particular: DD, Ogre, HN, Mad, Ice...well you all know the list. All are appearing helpful but with the number of mafia in this game there is a good chance that the majority are going to be mafia so I can't trust any of them at this point. Swayde also plays very well and I always want to expect that she is innocent but I have to tell myself that there are no guarantees in this game so my eyes will be open.

I would have to agree that cl and jensons will be tough to figure out this time because they have not played fo a while now. Sometimes cl doesn't really make sense and jensons, well, nothing seems weird from her yet.

jl and dc are acting normal but I still have to question their motives as usual because their laid back style usually is a cover for anything else they are doing behind our backs...

cooldude is a newb so not sure what to think there...

All in all I find Charlie the most scummy, soooooo...

I vote to lynch Charlie Stubbs
 
Ok, home from work early.:dance2:

Some interesting stuff to read through today. My initial thoughts after reading through are as follows.

Charlie still seems the best choice for mafia for me. The proposed plan cannot possibly help the town as others have already pointed out. The main curiousity to me is the late swing onto DP. I agree that he's not a bad choice, but I don't believe he's the best choice. I think this may be either an effort by Carlie's team to save him or the other mafia team going somewhere safe. 5 people still haven't voted which means that tonight's lynching is far from determined. If those not voting are townies please make sure to get one in before nightfall! If you're mafia, feel free to skip tonight.

I'm going to go back through and try to post a list of possible suspects. Until I see someone better, my vote stays on the Waterboy.
 
I am considering a plan to remove my vote and die an UD.

While i don't know if this is a good plan, i do know it would increase the chances the town will lynch a scumbag, and will force the scumbags voting for me to find another parking spot for their votes.

To my recollection, this hasn't been tried before. Some will say this is probably just a plan to save my hide. It isn't. I am a townie, and am willing to die a UD if it helps the town lynch a scumbag. Even in death, if the town wins, I win.

I would appreciate any feedback the townies might have about this.

I don't see how this helps the town at all. If we lynch you we lose a townie, if you are one, and the mafia hit someone. Worst case is 2 townies lost. If you UD then we lose you could lynch a 2nd and then lose to a hit. Thats 3 townies.

Well, there is the old Ice, I've grown to know very well...you were worrying me there Ice. Last night that is all I thought about was how you weren't out accusing everyone for every little thing blowing small things into large and throwing out like 10 different names on the first day voting on 4-5 different ppl. Glad to see you back to your old self. Although it may be against me, I would expect nothing different. I knew that post would draw you out.

I stated earlier I wasn't going to bust out the gate with accusations. Its time to change my tactics as all it does is put me on the defense the entire game because a list ends up with innocents on it. With the 2 teams there is no reason to list a bunch of players on the 1st day or accuse them. Theres more of a chance that they slip up trying to figure out each other. The mafia has in the past and will again decimate one another. I'll gladly post when needed, point fingers at those I think are mafia and vote for them but with this game style I see no reason to put myself out there as usual. Also I'm tired of people thinking they need to follow me, let Ice do the leg work and we'll jump on. Its my turn to feed off you guys.

As far a DC "explaining" what I meant, I can't speak for him...but maybe he wasn't seeing me as mafia didn't want ppl to build a case around something you took and made it look like I was contradicting myself.
So do you think JM was "protecting" John when she felt compelled to explain for him??

Was an innocent question, wanted to see what DC would reply with. I don't think JL is mafia at this point. JM is mafia, I believe, and it could be sort of a latching onto JL in case he is hit and shows innocent. But in either case it was weak reasoning, more for response then votes.

I have everyone leaning more mafia at this point than innocent. I am just as concerned about Judgemax's insistance that she's just a townie as several other people seem to be. I am very concerned about Charlie's plan to go out on an untimley death. That comes off as very, very anti-town to me no matter what his role is. Ice seems to be pretty laid back this game, very conservative and that just seems odd. Jpappy, Dangerdoll, Madcrawdadd, Ogre, and Hooked Newbie worry me because they've been able to manipulate and fool me before, but I haven't seen anything yet to lynch them on. Cooldude, Blueiz and Djmajor worry me because I have no idea what they play like and not sure how to read them, again I haven't seen anything to cause me to lynch them. Clownlover, DeputyChief, Lady G, JohnLarson, Jensons...I've played with you all, and made mistakes with you all, mostly in believing you to be mafia when your not, and with CL and Jen it's especially hard since it's been awhile since they've played.

I don't even trust RB. Maybe he really did put me into a game surrounded by all bad guys this time, I've sure felt that way before lol.

Explained in the post to LG

A few thoughts

1) If DP and Charlie were on a team, I could this kind of play being coordinated by a good leader. Whichever one is lynched, we'll be so busy the next day with ll the new information that we might just forget about the other one until much later.

2) blue and JMax: The few times we've seen really major 'discussions' like this, I'm pretty sure both players have been innocent. It really takes something to draw this much attention to yourself on day one. Remember me and Coler a few games back?

3) DP: I'm halfway wondering if DP could be innocent what with the way everyone is jumping all over him. No doubt his mafia team mates wouldn't just throw him to the wolves... or would they?

These are just thoughts as I've purused the thread during lunch.

While I was reading the thread I was thinking about Charlie and DP. Charlie could be faking a UD. If we think he is going to die then all the votes would fall onto DP.

At this point and because of Charlies plan I think DP could be innocent and Charlies fake out will get DP killed, though Charlie would go tomorrow, but it gives them numbers and time for an investigation.

For this reason I retract my vote on LG and vote to lynch Charlie


Not that I think LG is any less mafia IMO.
 
I have 3 non-voters according to my records so far. Blueiz, Clown Lover, and DJmajor. I hope the newbies understand they have to vote or they will die an untimely death (UD). Clown Lover hopefully noticed the change in rules as well. Of course if their mafia, the more that don't vote, the better for us =)
 
non-voters....blueiz, djmajor, and charlie...
 
I have 3 non-voters according to my records so far. Blueiz, Clown Lover, and DJmajor. I hope the newbies understand they have to vote or they will die an untimely death (UD). Clown Lover hopefully noticed the change in rules as well. Of course if their mafia, the more that don't vote, the better for us =)

I believe there are 4. Charlie retracted, Blue, Majr, and Mad. I could be wrong though, I'm still updating my notes from the postings today.
 
I don't see how this helps the town at all. If we lynch you we lose a townie, if you are one, and the mafia hit someone. Worst case is 2 townies lost. If you UD then we lose you could lynch a 2nd and then lose to a hit. Thats 3 townies.



Was an innocent question, wanted to see what DC would reply with. I don't think JL is mafia at this point. JM is mafia, I believe, and it could be sort of a latching onto JL in case he is hit and shows innocent. But in either case it was weak reasoning, more for response then votes.



Explained in the post to LG



While I was reading the thread I was thinking about Charlie and DP. Charlie could be faking a UD. If we think he is going to die then all the votes would fall onto DP.

At this point and because of Charlies plan I think DP could be innocent and Charlies fake out will get DP killed, though Charlie would go tomorrow, but it gives them numbers and time for an investigation.

For this reason I retract my vote on LG and vote to lynch Charlie


Not that I think LG is any less mafia IMO.

I had actually not considered that possible Strategy...CS threatening an UD to get votes off him and onto DP. It is possible. But, they could still be both be mafia, just on 2 different teams. Seems like a risky ploy. There didnt' seem to be very many votes on DP at the time CS posted his UD plan either. I don't like CS's plan at all, but if he's going to UD himself, then I don't see any point in voting for him when there are so many mafia floating around. I just can't fathom Charlie's motivation, I've never seen him do anything like this before and I just don't know what to make of it.
 
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