Mafia 17: Vampires

[Lady G]

To add to my above post, Lady G, your whole lengthy post is trying to tie RB, me and Charlie together, andi its based on a lie. Why? Looks to me like you would have your facts straight before takiing the time to make such a long post.

There is no lie Blue, and no not tying all three of you together. Talk about needing to get facts straight

 

[Reefscape]

Ok, Plantling seems very quiet, which leads me to believe something is not quite right there..So, i pulled some of her posts and lets see what we got...Highlighted in purple are my points of note..

Plant gladly gives Andi some fresh garlic and thanks her for baking pizzas for the town. As Andi is leaving, Plant senses Andi eyeing Plant's silver cruxifix that she's worn on a silver chain around her neck ever since her beloved grandmother gifted her w/it. Plant is unsure if Andi was admiring it or perhaps thought it was too big and gawdy, 'cause it it is a good 3 inches long.


Hmmm, I am still waiting for a comment from HN, but I wouldn't vote him just yet. Perhaps he is still hung over. Or perhaps the sun is too bright this time of day?

There seems to be an early show of working together here between plant and Andi..Plant makes a point of throwing in the play part that she notices Andi looking at the crucifix..Why Andi? why not somebody else?

Umm, what makes you think you aren't a freak? Long eyeteeth, pale whitish skin, an aversion to sunlight, a preference for bloody rare steaks, etc... J/K, would love to see pic's sometime.

hmm..seem to have the description of a vamp all described well then..and then the J/K part at the end to maybe cover you behind? dunno on that one, seems to jump out at me a little..

In between this post, and the next is the "heated discussion" between HN and RB..The lack of posting through the debate is odd to me that you should not leave any thoughts while the discussion was taking place...Why were you taking a back seat through that entire discussion? where you assessing your options? Looking at how well RB handled the situation? Did you have some back hand dealings in this with RB?

I took that post by HN as a joke as I did Niko's joke about the blood spatters on the dictionary. I'm hoping they were jokes, anyway, as well as most pple that have given you a hard time today. However I am a bit alarmed at all the votes that are piling up on you and Fungi. Granted a few things both of you have said are a bit eyebrow raising, but I do prefer to give new players the benefit of the doubt on the first day. So be careful what you say b/c if you are innocents your words will be used against you by Vamps and even some well meaning innocents.


I hope you are here to help the town, HN. I do see your concern over the two trains on kuhli and fungi. I don't want to get in the middle of you and RB's argument, but it seems to me that it started off like a regular argument then just escalated with you two feeding off each others anger or frustration. I hope that neither of you are vampire, though.

I will hold my vote for now. Just wanted to post my thoughts before my internet goes down around now the same time every night for at least a few hours.

Why did you not want to get in the middle of the argument? As above, were you watching how well RB handled the situation?

13 hrs or so till Night fall


Rb-3- JL (230) HN (257) DD (297)

JL-1- CL(69)

LG-1- JM(265)

HN-1- Kuhli(87)

Fungi-3- CS(153) Rb(177) Jpap(210)

Kuhli-5- KOTD(187) Jo(204) Niko(212) Fungi(213) LG(320)

No votes from Blue Andi Plantling Malbri

Votes that didn't say I retract weren't moved. putting vote change doesn't count either. ALL VOTES AND RETRACTIONS MUST BE IN BOLD

13 hours to go, and still no vote from you? i would of thought that someone with your gaming experience would of deducted in your mind who you thought to be a suspect..Were you just waiting to carefully place your vote? waiting for the other 3 to cast their votes? Slip your's in between them to keep yourself non-descript?

You know G, I was thinking the same thing. I know Jmax gave a reason for not having posted much early, but she hasn't posted much since the excuse either. And then that post about RB and HN staging the fight, makes me wonder about her even more. And Fungi and others mentioned this, but I will too. Both HN and RB had very little attention on them at the time. The leading votees were Fungi and Kuhli. Why would two experienced players stage such a thing as to draw attention to them on the first day when no attention was on them and risk one being railroaded off the bat as votes are also piling on RB.


Oh Mal, are you purposely painting a target on yourself, also? Please realize that though you are busy, you should not skim before posting and especially not before voting. *Sigh* I did say I was not going to pick on a Newb the first day, but after this game day all bets are off.

:laugh::laugh::laugh: Congrats on the baby fish but please don't rename Ogre.

Trying to give RB some protection there? hmmmm...maybe..

You pick up on Mal, said you were not going to pick on a newb on the first day, but all bets are off...time is ticking away, and still no vote from you, even after saying this?

Jo's first post, not much to say though the game is underway.


Here Jo is too busy to read the thread but not too busy to place a vote


Changes his vote to fungi without officially retracting his vote from kuhli. States fungi had done something that wa s just too obvious, but doesn't explain further.


Jo chides HN and RB for bringing up last game. Is this because he doesn't want any distractions because the votes are already piled on two Newbs?


Jo states the way RB plays always makes him suspicious, but is going to wait and see to get more out of him.

Well not much to go on as these are all of Jo's posts, but he isn't a newb and should know not to place votes while skimming. Also with the low posts, it's a great hide-out for a vampire. I know my vote may be wasted on Jo, but I really believe him to be a vampire.

I vote to stick a stake in Jo.

I believe you knew your vote would be wasted on Jo..and we shall see that when we get to the final voting for the day....

I understand that it could be a set up to distance themselves, but I'm not so sure they would do this on day one when neither had much attention on them. It would be too risky, IMO because look at the votes piling up on RB right now. The argument was too heated to be faked, IMO. I'm not saying they're both automatically innocent, I just can't see them both being Vamps. But if one were a Vamp, I would say RB is as he did over-react a bit to HN's accusation of being LV. I don't think Ice would make RB lead vamp again, though.

Now you finally comment on the discussion between HN and RB..i find it odd that little has been said by you previously..

You also give RB a great cover story stating that "It would be too risky" as you mention the votes pilling up on RB...again i feel our trying to take the heat away from RB..Yes, in your defence you state that if " one were a vamp, i would say RB is as he did over-react a bit to HN's accusations of being LV. I dont think Ice would make RB lead vamp again, though"...again i feel your using the above in blue as an excuse to remove heat from RB...

IT IS NIGHT



RB-5- JL HN DD Mal Kuhli

LG-1- JM

Fungi-3- CS Rb Blue

Blue-2- Jpap LG

Kuhli-6- KOTD Jo** Niko Fungi Andi CL

Jo-Plant

**- vote was never retracted

And funnily enough, you were right, a TOTALLY wasted vote..hmm...convenient do you think?

Here I am, Niko. I just posted to you this morning, when you thought Ice was trying to say there were only 2 Vamps, remember? So don't know why you're missing me of all pple all of a sudden. Don't make Blue jealous. :lipssealedsmilie:

Anway, that post you quoted was from Andi and she was looking at the list of pple that voted Kuhli and that's why you, CL, and Fungi were the ones she named in her post. Or did you skim over that? You are more than welcome to review my posts as I've nothing to hide.

I am reviewing your posts as i feel there is something not right...

Niko, if you go back to many of the other games Chaz was in he often refers to pple he questions and/or suspects as My hairy friend or my toothy friend depending on the game. He was talking about you, so I don't know how you would not have gotten that. Hmmmm, you're also raising my suspicions of you for the confusion and you wouldn't be the first evil to single me out for no apparent reason. Do I look like an easy target? Oh Contraire, Mon Frere.

I did not overly read the last games, i watched parts..so, i did not really get a feel for how people talked to others, hence why i picked up the point as you have stated...no biggy...

I dont see a confusion issue as something to raise your suspicions..single you out for no apparent reason...well, as seen above, i do have reasons as things dont really make sense..

For the time being, i feel you are LV and RB is a minion of yours, sent out to to make a show of himself, as he did, as that gave everyone the opportunity to say " Nah, its too obvious if he was a vamp, he would not do that, it would arouse too much suspicion "..and i feel that is exactly what happened, which is why i posted earlier that i did not feel it sat right with me..

What are others thoughts?

 

[Fungi]

Then thy twist posts. You are MY toothy friend. I am a toothless peasant.

I thought you were Charliemoto, the bellkeeper, not a peasant

This post has me concerned about Fungi. I, for one, do not think it has been an odd day.

This is close to playing the "confused card".
Can I play it? Please? For me (it being the second day of me playing) it is odd relative to what transpired yesterday.
I also would not class my vote on rbishop as my "vendetta". For starters, he was the second vote getter. He most likely would have been staked if the vote change would have counted. I understand jo's frustration. Especially after an innocent was staked.
That doesn't really ring true, I voted for jo not because of (her or his?) lack of concern over kuhli's death, it sounded more like a "Oh d*** you ice for not reading that little thing above it. S/he didn't put the retraction in bold and then proceeds to call me a newb, which is for one offensive and secondly inconsiderate.
My top three:

rbishop
Fungi Pfft, whatever, I realise I've dug a hole for myself, I may as well furnish it if I can't get out. Not with a coffin, as many of you might glean from it, rather with a nice couch and maybe an ottoman, perhaps I won't need a bed.
atnixon

but G, I think Blue was trying to get her point acrrossed as to what was the point in placing the post in the first place when no one asked, not that she was asking what he was doing home and posting during the day. Again, you are missing the point too. I just think with how hard you two badgered blue for this, it seems suspicious is all.....

Fungi, I am having a hard time understanding this post as G was speaking in regard to Blue to me.... are you reading lightly (aka skimming)?
Sorry I may've completely lost the plot on that one, if you look at the time it was around 9.30pm, I was bored, tired and fed-up. I try my best to read posts in their entirety but I sometimes miss the context/forget who they're about if I'm tired.


Niko, this just put you up on the block. I know you haven't been in many games, but to pick something like this out, even after Charlie has said this is his typical game play (in other words).

why the huge explanation, cl? My post bother you that much?

Ok this post isn't that long because DD really hasn't posted that much but stick with me here as there is a pattern

Here she is responding / picking on Kuhli for his post about the Crucifix..


So then she starts in on Kuhli's lack of spiritual knowledge..



Up to this point her posts have been fairley innocuous.. Light hearted and teasing.. But then she starts in on Fungi the other person that a train had been started on by this point but also makes sure to get another dig back into Kuhli who has been responding to every accusation but she keeps driving him..



Ahhh above is where the true fun begins.. She has been helping to create trains with her other posts but then decides to make this vote.. (subject to change of course).. But then my mind falls back to a previous game when she knew what buttons to push on LadyG when she was evil and LadyG was the doc.. She has self admitted that her play is like HN's and knows he was pushing buttons to look for a response.. But up until this point all she does is make mention of how it made her feel "chilly".. No other rational and is the third person to jump on Bob's train.. Notice that she was adding to the train starting on the other two people from earlier in the day..



Now she adds just enough ... to make us sceptical about RB but again doesn't input any of her own thoughts really here.. Just enough to get people to go hmmmm..



Now she throws in this answer to Lady G about trading vamp items for vamp items.. Again just enough to make us think she is a townie...
Does idle banter really contain that much truth? I might have to start reading it more closely (not sarcastic)


Again she makes posts about Kuhli being suspicious.. She justifies her vote for staying on RB but again we can link this only to a statement that it made her "chilly" but yet she talks about possibly voting for Kuhli instead because of a kid basically using logic of "who said it had to be all at one time".. Again not that he was defending everything that was put before him like she at that point had to know he was doing, because he had defended against some of her own comments.



Then this is ALL she can come up with when we LOOSE a townie????
I class this reaction on a similar level to Jo's disregard...



Now reguardless of what she says she comes blazing to the defense of Blue.. I'm not saying one way or another if Blue is a vamp.. But I find it interesting that she felt the need to intervene here.. Now granted I also feel that what Blue did was rather small and insignificant but Blue has proven time and time again that she can take care of herself.. But I keep having Charlie's statement go through my head that ICE likes to hand pick rolls..
If Ice hand-picks and uses reverse psychology, wouldn't it've been smart to have chosen Charlie as LV? If he constantly reminds us 'ice hand-picks' in regards to the mods, it takes the heat from him and it's good that he's reminding us, I can't put this properly into words...Could it be that he did hand pick DD as a LV roll and people are getting to close to someone that she knows might be a fellow vamp?? Just wondering here...




Again she takes the time out to let us know what Blue was thinking.. Trying to point a finger back at the bush shakers.. But isn't that was we are supposed to do the first several days and throughout the game?? Is shake bushes? She is doing it in a fashion but also notice that she deftly avoids my own accusations which is what led to me digging through her posts..

I'm thinking that there is a connection here either between DD and HN or DD and Blue.. But I haven't quite put my finger on which one yet..

Anyone else have thoughts or ideas on this?? Am I way off base here? This all falls back to, that I think people are falling through the cracks.. DD is one of those people and request that others take a look and let me know if what I am seeing is accurate..

I see lady g and jpap are again together in there thinking, much like yesterday concerning me. Anyone else see a trend forming here between jpap and lady g?

Not really, no, but then again I'm not that perceptive, I think that LG was just defending Papi over the whole school and absence thing.

 

[Blueiz]

Glad to see someone else has noticed this! I am really inclined to think there is a connection between Rb and Blue, I could be wrong about that but I just can't shake that feeling, the way she "saw his point" then they both voted the same person, neither of them for Kuhli or Rb the two highest "suspects" (of coarse Rb wasn't going to vote himself), but he was "on" Kuhli the entire first day, and really I could see Ice picking Blue as LV, and her picking RB as her minion.
Then there is Jo, which both Blue and Rb voted for...this is the only thing making me not see him, unless their vote was on him because they knew he wasn't going to be lynched and they were distancing so they could "pick" him. My problem to seeing Jo as innocent is, that was his claim to fame last game he was posting soooo much, and when he is evil he doesn't (his words not mine). He said himself when he is on the "bad" side he lay's low. With those words ringing in my head along w/ his lack of posts this game it is hard not to suspect him.
Charlie, his vote was also on Jo, (funny how all this revolves around Jo)..but anyway his post about Rb right before nightfall really bothers me, it just seems he was building a case and then just left it, I can't help but feel there was a reason for it.
Now I know Blue "defended" DD before when Blue was mafia and DD was innocent. So this leaves me to wonder about her "defense" to Rb..like she was trying to connect herself to an "innocent" that could be lynched that night. I know I said this before but it was brought out I was only on Blue b/c of her question to Jpap...I want it to be clear that was NOT the only thing bothering me about her, it is her entire play style.
So I see these as possible LV & Minion
Blue-Rb
Blue-Jo
Blue-Chaz
I could highly see Blue/Rb or Blue/Chaz...voting Jo to distance, for a turn victim. They vote him so it looks like they suspect him, then change him thinking there would be no connection to him b/c they voted him.
Just throwing some thoughts around here.

There is no lie Blue, and no not tying all three of you together. Talk about needing to get facts straight

Show me where I voted for jo Lady g.

 

[judgemax]

I've been called much worse. I didn't say I thought anyone else was mafia, I posted a list of SUSPECTED VAMPIRES. I better watch insinuating that you're in a coffin? Oooh... whatcha gonna do have me bit? I got off "scott free" because all I did was reply to an odd reaction to an innocent post. I did post one reply that I would take back, but what's done is done. as always poor HN



Wow you waited 2 whole minutes between posting and voting for me. And, yes I have been a bad guy several times in the past, I've also had several power roles, and find both much more stressful than my role in this game.

I think you just made a much better case for you being connected to Rb than I ever could've hoped to do myself.

Yeah, I voted for you, I think you deserve it, I am also bored, and figured I would ruffle your feathers some, boy, It doesn't take much to get you on the defensive does it?..

 

[Lady G]

Unless Im having a complete lapse in memory, I have not voted for anyone but fungi Lady G..Why are you saying I voted for jo?

IT IS NIGHT



RB-5- JL HN DD Mal Kuhli

LG-1- JM

Fungi-3- CS Rb Blue

Blue-2- Jpap LG

Kuhli-6- KOTD Jo** Niko Fungi Andi CL

Jo-Plant

**- vote was never retracted

Yeah, it was Fungi, sorry everyone...they all voted Fungi. It was Jo's vote on Kuhli that he was soooo mad that wasn't retracted sticking in my head. That was what had me thinking about Jo, also the fact it was posted by Ice you had to retract or the new vote wouldn't count and then Jo got mad that his wasn't retracted...DUH, ok bring on the mob now for this one:drool: Still the point is they voted for the same person that was not on the chopping block, so why single out others who didn't vote for them either.
Not a lie blue, just a mis thought.

 

[judgemax]

hey I found a doll, that I like, lol..What do you all think?..

 

[Lady G]

My tops still stand, and my thoughts of LV, minion are still valid. I just had to many thoughts going at once. I didn't mean to mis represent what was posted and I am sorry guy's.

 

[judgemax]

there was also one with a bunch of girls in a bubble bath, lmao, I almost used it! haha!

 

[Lady G]

hey I found a doll, that I like, lol..What do you all think?..

LOL, this is great now we just need Plant and Blue to go get a doll!!!erv: