Mafia 17: Vampires

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Hope that everyone had a great holiday.. I know that I was able to unwind, have some fun with some old friends and family and just relax.. At turkey until I about burst (We have to go to two houses on turkey day so.. It gets to be a little much food wise :) )
The best part is that unlike HN I was able to escape the mall.. Send GF shopping with sisters.. LOL She was about to kill me
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***WARNING*** Long post..

Ok so I have been able to go through the thread and there was a couple of posts that has kind of made me go hmmm.. While my current list does consist of Andi (this one has gotten stronger since the consolidation of information), LadyG, Jpap, JoAnder and JL.. (no particular order) Why Well it kind of goes in line with who was starting what trains and some other things..

Andi - While I was on holiday someone made my case for me and went back and collected her posts so I'm not going to repost all of this.. But she fits nicely into someone hiding in the shaddows. And as stated before with her posting her gaming experience I find it hard to believe that she would use this approach for the following reasons..

I also am a gamer, and DM'd AD&D and have moved to table top miniture gaming as well.. Normally when faced with an aggressive player it is not wise to take a back seat stance in your play or you'll get run over. In most gaming you have to take the aggressive stance, the stay back and be meek role just doesn't cut it because if they make aggressive moves you are going to have to combat them in some way.. To take a fall back position almost always means failure unless you are trying to purposely make yourself look meek but have an ace up your sleeve.

LadyG - Really started the train on Blue a known innocent. While she is trying to deflect this onto me by my saying that I respect her as a player but if you look at my post I also state in your own defense I thought Blue looked Vampirish.. (there is more below on this individual)

Jpap - I'm looking at LadyG and Jpap together because of several reasons. In a previous game they were the dynamic duo of the the Doctor and Detective and actually pulled the wool over our mafia team eyes with a unique gambit.. With their history I would suspect if LadyG was a vamp that she would pick Jpap as her second simply because of that "little tiger" post. While she wrote it off as a joke somewhere else "that most people know about".

JL - Has been a low poster as well and was ultimately the start of the RB train where I have him leaning heavily innocent at this point and time. RB had been kicking bushes throughout that point and now as well. I think JL started this train simply due to the "incident" between HN and RB. At that point in the game I don't feel any vamp would have purposely wanted to draw attention to themselves in the game simply because it was day one and all votes are pretty much random.. The chances of the town actually voting a vamp were slim to none since it was 16 vs 2 at that point and they could just sit back and watch. So him starting this train and placing his vote here was not founded on what I consider sound logic.

Joander - was the train starter on Kuhli - also another known innocent as of this point. He has been relatively quiet here recently and after that first day I am thinking he is purposely trying to stay low to deflect any attention his way...

LadyG this is the post that got me going back and looking at you more closely..

Well, I have to say Andi has my eyebrow raised also. Her saying she has soooo much experience in these type of games, and her game play seems odd for someone with so much experience. It seems to me if you have that much experience in this type of game she would be posting much more and giving way more thoughts then she has if innocent.
She knew we considered her a newb and this gave her the "cover" she would need if vamp, and she seems to have played the "newb" card well. This has me very concerned.

Niko, so you are saying you ARE the hunter right?

Why are you needing confirmation of one of the two PR's left? While the Hunter's power is spent are you using this to narrow your list to find the seer?

Now on to Clown,

He has seemingly been "following" me this game on thoughts. He is quick to point out my "good" points, even thanking me at one point for bringing things out about Kuhli. Then, him following me onto Blue, after her death he makes sure to point out how he "respected" me for nailing both him and DD last game and thought I was a good player, (or something on those lines) I'll have to go back and find the post to point out what I am saying to be "exact words".
This has me wondering, is he Vamp, knew both Kuhli and Blue were innocent and thought this was a great way to implicate myself. He could say how he thought I was a good player and believed my cases, so he followed me, in turn making me look more suspicious to everyone and "clearing" himself so to say.

I am not trying to put any blame on you that you haven't already put on yourself with your train starting.. You have gone up on my list persay since that vote result and for me not to mention that it was your case that helped tip my voting scales would be remiss in my posting my logic of thought which is something I always ensure is in my posts.. That way anyone can see why I am voting the way I am and use that information to further their own investigations. For me not to do so would not be in the best interests of the town. Information is power in this game and lack of information is what gets us into trouble.

If you notice I also put in the post that "In your defense she looked like mafia to me as well".

Actually, I didn't miss your post. I had alot going on and needed to move my vote where i thought it could help and I didnt have much time. I thought i had properly voted for Niko, but I hadn't. It wasn't skimming. It was cramming. They're different.

But your post below proves that you were skimming because of what you posted to Ice Charlie.. You have me questioning you again.. And now I am suspecting you.. If you had been skimming and admitted it I would have believed you more than the above.. As my post reminding you of your vote was before you posted this one..

Ice my vote should be on Andi...skimming???

Are you suggesting that Niko was turned? Then he hastily used his silver arrow to take out the greatest threat to the vamps, namely Plant, maybe she's said something or mentioned someone in her posts that hits too close to the bone for the vamps... interesting





Colour of Magic? It's still not much of an excuse for your gliding in this game, though, it just shows an aptitude for this kind of thing. That in turn highlights how you've been able to stay under the radar for most of the game so far.

I am not sure if Niko was turned or not.. But for me it is one of two things.. He was innocent and wanted to get off his shot before he was lynched, or the vamps already turned the hunter and used his shot to make Niko look guilty..
 
How did cl end up back on your list?

Simple because I post her inconsistancies and show the town that she has a higher probability of being a vamp than her choices..
 
///Game off

sorry i not been around much so far today, had my daughter till tonight..

///Game on


Well...I am really finding it hard not to call Andi out here for my vote...I think through my previous posts, that my case has been made and presented...Another reason is that she keeps hard and pushing to start a train on me and has completely failed to produce any evidence that points me to being a vamp...nothing what so ever...her on the other hand has done nothing in my eyes to show her innocence or prove it, just continued to stay in the side lines..

JM....again, she has been OH so quiet...and i really dont understand this at all....i really dont get the feeling that she is battling to rid the town of this evil, still staying very much in the sidelines...

LG...hmmm..strange one...i really am not sure about you. Something is missing from your posts, and i cant really put my finger on it..

RB...Initally, i had you down as a being a minion. Now i am not sure, i think that i read you wrong, and i hope that turns out to be the case, that what i am feeling from your posts is the right thing..

Jo...cant really say much at all, as you've posted bugger all...
 
That is what my suspect list is looking like...From the info that i pulled yesterday i think it was, with all her posts together, Andi is my candidate...You just seem way too odd in you mannerism's in the game...and i feel your playing this way on purpose..

I vote to stick a stake in Andi
 
I am having difficulty finding suspects. I am going to try to re-read the last three pages or so more carefully to look for clues. In the meantime, Andi was the weasel i was kicking yesterday, and nothing she has posted since has eased my suspicions.
I vote to stake Andi.
LOL well looks like yall are going to lose another innocent tonight, unless a few people change their minds, and the Vamps are just going to slide by again... sorry I'm not sure what to say to prove my innocents, the # of post we have are overwelming.
 
LOL well looks like yall are going to lose another innocent tonight, unless a few people change their minds, and the Vamps are just going to slide by again... sorry I'm not sure what to say to prove my innocents, the # of post we have are overwelming.

The number of posts WE have?? Who else are you working with Andi?
 
I am having difficulty finding suspects. I am going to try to re-read the last three pages or so more carefully to look for clues. In the meantime, Andi was the weasel i was kicking yesterday, and nothing she has posted since has eased my suspicions.
I vote to stake Andi.

Call me paranoid, but when have you ever had trouble finding suspects? I also posted some questions to you which you apparently missed. Now you come back after more than a 24 hour absense and simply hop on the current train? I gotta say this looks really suspicious man. If JL shows up with any sort of decent explanation I think I'll move my vote to you in hopes that others will review your posts.
 
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