Mafia #20 - Pirates of the Carribean the Play
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Sucks we lost Lupie, hope everything works out for the best.
Hate being down 3 players and its not even night 2 yet.
HNs vote bothers me a lot but if I had to think him pirate I'd have to rethink some of my suspects. I also think or have leaning pirate Rb JM and Mad.
Day 1s are hard enough without having to explain why you jumped last hour from someone who comes up innocent to another player. No excuse would be good enough. With that in thought and some of HNs other posts I lean him innocent. No one he could have jumped to that were suspect to him would have made a difference unless others followed.
Rb - His want of a UD of a player. An innocent wouldn't call for it not knowing if it hurt his team or not but I could see a pirate doing it to lessen the number of lynches and hits needed to win. As pointed out earlier its reminiscent of a past game.
JM has done nothing for the town, she is attacking LC who appears to me as being helpful. She jumped on him from the start,as soon as she saw his pregame post. The rest of her posts have been nonsense posts.
Mad has me leaning him pirate because of his vote placement and his response to Grins about JM leaving him off the post of men on Beth.
Those are the top 3 I'm looking at right now.
Others that warrant watching are
Blue- I'm not really liking her posts but she has usually been a low poster evil or not. I don't like that she is jumping on LC along with JM though.
Mee Mee but she'll slip with enough pressure if she is pirate
Jpap just not enough posts to go on.
DD Truthfully I'd need to go back and read her posts again to see if anything sticks out
Mal- a post of substance would be nice. Pirates don't like newbs talking much.
Everyone else I have leaning innocent.
Hate being down 3 players and its not even night 2 yet.
HNs vote bothers me a lot but if I had to think him pirate I'd have to rethink some of my suspects. I also think or have leaning pirate Rb JM and Mad.
Day 1s are hard enough without having to explain why you jumped last hour from someone who comes up innocent to another player. No excuse would be good enough. With that in thought and some of HNs other posts I lean him innocent. No one he could have jumped to that were suspect to him would have made a difference unless others followed.
Rb - His want of a UD of a player. An innocent wouldn't call for it not knowing if it hurt his team or not but I could see a pirate doing it to lessen the number of lynches and hits needed to win. As pointed out earlier its reminiscent of a past game.
JM has done nothing for the town, she is attacking LC who appears to me as being helpful. She jumped on him from the start,as soon as she saw his pregame post. The rest of her posts have been nonsense posts.
Mad has me leaning him pirate because of his vote placement and his response to Grins about JM leaving him off the post of men on Beth.
Those are the top 3 I'm looking at right now.
Others that warrant watching are
Blue- I'm not really liking her posts but she has usually been a low poster evil or not. I don't like that she is jumping on LC along with JM though.
Mee Mee but she'll slip with enough pressure if she is pirate
Jpap just not enough posts to go on.
DD Truthfully I'd need to go back and read her posts again to see if anything sticks out
Mal- a post of substance would be nice. Pirates don't like newbs talking much.
Everyone else I have leaning innocent.
Okay, bare with me, this is my first time trying this
Okay, thats what ive got, take it or leave it
Irrelivent, just wanted to point that out
Hetalks about whats going on in his life, then he basically says that things in my life should not be used as an excuse as to how im playing.
He was persistant that Mg should die when (imo) he didnt even break a rule, but before that RBI had posted from a different account, which to him was completly okay
Again, he gives me crap about explaining a lack of posting due to my life, when he did it too.
Okay, thats what ive got, take it or leave it
Wow DD I'm still going to go back and read your posts but this has me leaning you more pirate.
Why wouldn't an innocent want better explanation of the role? I thought LCs question was very valid. Its nice to know if the Captains hands when switched have to stay with the new captain.
I would think if a Pirate Captain it would be safer to ask Clown via email or PM and not out in the open on a thread.
Updated thoughts on who people are.
I'm going to paste my last major analysis from #544 (black text) and my updated thoughts are all in red text. Knowns are in green.
1. bethkira2000 : Pirate. Other than the tell that could be a typo as someone pointed out, most of the feelings that she is a pirate have to do with her reaction to questions. Maybe she is really upset at the heat she has taken but I remember a lot of heat going her way in game #18, her first game, and she didn't seem to take it this bad. She was innocent that game. I wish I had more to go on for my vote but at this point its the best gut feeling I have on day one.
Innocent. Well I screwed that one up, as many of us did. I don't know how Beth manages to wear a target on her townsclothes but poor woman does and the pirates must have been high fiving one another over the townspeople taking her out for them.
2. Hooked Newbie: Unsure, but again gut feeling says innocent. He seems to be willing to kick down doors and I don't recall anything that seemed off to me.
Innocent. His calling out both Rb and JM in #684 is the major reason for a move from leaning innocent to innocent. I think they are both pirates and I don't see a pirate calling out two other mafia members like that after the first nightfall.
3. Blueiz: Unsure, she hasn't said much. I know she had company for part of the weekend (you go girl) but her posting in the thread mid-day Sunday led me to believe that she perhaps had more time to post than she chose to do yesterday. Blue, I'm hoping to hear more from you today.
Unsure still. She isn't giving us much to think about. I don't like how she and DD both matched Beth's vote relatively late in the day. On one hand it could be a scum tell to want to align themselves with an innocent when they knew their votes weren't needed to lynch her. On the other, they may have been better about reading Beth than the rest of us. For now I'll leave her as unsure as there are more obvious pirates to lynch.
4. Dangerdoll: Unsure, but I'm thinking innocent. As I said last night she was one of the ones I'd like to hear more thoughts from. She did post not long after I said that with some detailed responses and questions of her own and did post a vote to walk the plank so hopefully she'll be posting more today.
Unsure. See comments about Blue above to see why DD moved from leaning innocent to unsure for me.
5. Lady G: Innocent, after reading her posts in the last 12 hours or so I feel she comes off as innocent. She not only answers questions that have been asked of her which shows she is willing to help the town, but she brings up good points about others which I sometimes missed.
Innocent. She has continued in the same manner.
6. IceH20: Unsure, with Ice I'll have a stronger feeling of pirate or not once I see if someone he is going after hard is innocent or guilty. He seems to play hard whichever role he is playing and it can throw me off when trying to figure him out. If he goes after someone hard and they turn out to be innocent (like he did with DD when she was Santa) I'll know he is swigging back pirate rum and fighting off skurvy.
Innocent. Detailed reason for this is in #677.
7. mee-mee: Unsure, sorry mee-Mee but I forget you're playing this game at times.
Unsure,
Unsure, she is definitely posting more since I made the first statement. But I don't know how to read her at this point. JL, JPap, what is it that you both saw that had you vote for her to walk the plank?
8. johnlarson66: Unsure but leaning a tiny bit more towards pirate at the moment. Again, just a gut feeling and as the game proceeds hopefully I'll have a better reason for feeling he is pirate or not.
Leaning Innocent. In #578 he calls out two of my pirate suspects. I don't feel he'd do that if he was a pirate and knows them to be as well. He is also playing different than he did when he was mafia in game 18. Even so, I'd still like to get his answers on why Mee-Mee is being so obviously pirate to him and why he seemed to swoop in on 2 different nights and post "I agree" to two of my posts making me me feel I had a shadow. So for now I'm getting mixed messages from JL but the ones saying innocent are louder.
9. Malbri: Unsure. Mal is a bit like Mg for me. She seems to play much the same way she chats in the AC chat room (ahem, not the pirate chat room people so don't jump there). I think she posted something earlier on about JM and LC maybe being the same person? It made no sense to me whatsoever. If she'd only post more I'm thinking she'll give us a tell one way or the other.
Unsure. Mal I've already told you that unless you start posting more than chitchat messages you're going to look more and more piratey to me.
10. LesbianChap: Innocent. At first I was suprised how hard he came out charging (before the game even started, lol). But his willingness to call so many out on the carpet has me feeling he isn't protecting pirate brothern.
Innocent. Still feeling the same from LC.
11. Lupin: Innocent, maybe too much so to play this game. This one might be confusing as the innocent has more to do with how I think of Lupin outside the game than in the game itself. I'm actually unsure of Lupin. Lupin, if you're innocent you really need to start speaking up and playing the game instead of just checking in with a hi post here and there. We need you to ask questions, help point out things some of us might have missed here in town, and start giving us reasons to look at others as pirates before we start to think you're one of them.
Unsure. Lupin, you're not really doing much to help the town. Could be because you're new and inherrently nice, but it could be because you're being coached to play innocent as well as cast a toss away vote to JPap.
12. jpappy789: Unsure, like Mee-Mee I forget JPap is in the game.
Pirate. Not much to go on here as JPap seems to have moved out of ACville (and perhaps boarded a pirate ship?) I don't like the vote for Mee-Mee without reason. Something about that just screams "Hi guys, checked real quick with my pirate brothern and they have told me to cast a toss away vote to appear innocent and to do it against Mee-Mee cause she apparently suspects me somewhere in the thread"
Yes I have not been on for a long time and I stated that in my post. Teachers have a knack for trhowing out all the homework for a month over the week before break to make sure things are finished up and this last weekend sucked, not to mention I have a lot of out of school things going on this week...anyways, I feel that my mee-mee vote should be explained seeing as many have questioned it. I was in and out trying to get caught up and decide who to vote for as to not UD night one and as I was getting towards the end mee-mee comes back saying that she is sure that I am going to post or whatever and that seemed way too odd to me. Jl pointed it out first so I qouted him, said it was interesting (in agreement with him) and voted. Sorry if my reasons for voting were not understandable, I guess I should have been more expiccit but my mind has been all over the place and that is a good reason as to why I have not been able to contribute a whole lot of ideas to the game.
And Grins, 1) Mee-mee did not suspect me anywhere in the thread, in fact it was the opposite, she defended me for no reason and 2) I am an experienced enough player, I do not need help placing a vote, even if I was a pirate I have played bad enough and almost won a few times where I can do just fine on my own on any side. Thank you
13. rbishop : Pirate. LadyG's posts were very persuasive to me this morning. It will be interesting to see how he responds to some of her direct questions.
Pirate. You an call him Bob, ModBob, Bob the Mod, PirateBob or PirateMod, but whatever you don't call him InnocentBob. (those reading this might not be old enough to remember that beer commercial). In any event, Bob you've pretty much been appearing guilty from the get go. You weren't answering my direct questions before nightfall and you became awfully quiet when the hit was botched. Have another swig of pirate rum and pass out before you can do more damage please.
14. Mgamer20o0 : Innocent (everyone say "duh" together). Mg, if you're reading this I hope you play again. I so want to see you do a Dexter game where one of the good guys is actually a serial killer.
Innocent.
15. Madcrawdad: Leaning Innocent. He seems willing to kick down doors to me, but time will tell.
Leaning Innocent. I like the questions he is asking so far so it has me thinking he could be innocent. I've been told in the past that he is very clever though so I'm wondering...is he asking the right questions because he smells something piratey? Or is he tossing enough questions to suspected pirates because it will create some distance from them? For now I'm thinking it is the former.
16. judgemax : Pirate. Sorry but guilt by association my friend. When Beth stood up for you early on it didn't set right with me. Less so now that I'm leaning towards her being a pirate. Hopefully with your busy weekend behind you now you'll be able to participate more today so I can have a feeling more on your own words and actions.
Pirate. But pirate for a different reason. I know you're busy, so are all of us. You seem to be playing really low this game. Really low. I found you only calling LC and HN out suspect. The remark about Ice changing votes faster than underwear was funny but um, sounded like the result of pirate ship laughter at the rest of us lynching poor Beth while you had placed a safe vote by agreeing with a known innocent's vote to lynch LC (known innocent to pirates). You weren't so giggly after the pirate hit was botched though. See if Bob will share some of the pirate rum with you on your ship.
17. Grins : Innocent. I'm asking questions and not hiding behind someone else's coat tails. I'm also not taking inquisitions personally as everyone who is innocent should be willing to quickly clear themselves. Without doing that we innocents just help the pirates by giving them something to confuse people with.
Innocent. Yep, still innocent and I should probably make this one green because some pirate will probably question why I don't know I am innocent. But :silly: you're not going to manipulate me like that.
Comments above in blue
ummm, no posting? "watching?" I was reading DD. I have missed over 24 hours of this game and it takes a while to get caught up. Surely you must know that reading is important...not skimming, of course, you would never do that would you, DD?
If he were the Captain he'd discuss it in chat and or PM Clown.
If he were any other PR, I think he'd just PM Clown. I really don't think anyone that had one would discuss them openly. If anything, those discussing the rules are look more like townies trying to grasp the nuances. I've read and reread the rules 4 or 5 times and I still don't understand everything. Fortunately, I have no need to and just hope that those with the Town PRs are bugging Clown appropriately.
Yes, I see your point. I was just thinking and trying to figure a way around the pirates protection, if there is any way.
I'm off guys/gals...will be back later.
DDs 1st post of the game
So going back and reading all 22 of DDs post at this time I see she also jumped on LC for being to good of a newb to play at his level.
She made a really good case for Beth, but can't really hold it against her, or can I?
LC and Beth were both suspects but Beth got her vote. Did she not want to be the 1st one on the LC train?
In post 458 DD brings up that Grin is claiming DD skimmed.
Well read posts 256- 266 and you guys decide if it was a justifiable question.
Post 619 again DD is pushing for LC. I think if a couple of innocents would have jumped to LC to make it closer then DD would have switched. LC is much more a threat to them then Beth was and it would have been easy to restart a train on Beth the following night.
So going back and reading all 22 of DDs post at this time I see she also jumped on LC for being to good of a newb to play at his level.
She made a really good case for Beth, but can't really hold it against her, or can I?
LC and Beth were both suspects but Beth got her vote. Did she not want to be the 1st one on the LC train?
In post 458 DD brings up that Grin is claiming DD skimmed.
Well read posts 256- 266 and you guys decide if it was a justifiable question.
Post 619 again DD is pushing for LC. I think if a couple of innocents would have jumped to LC to make it closer then DD would have switched. LC is much more a threat to them then Beth was and it would have been easy to restart a train on Beth the following night.
