Mafia #20 - Pirates of the Carribean the Play

Grins said:
Well at this point if the people that have those roles haven't asked Clown they are sleeping on the job. Sadly that might be the case after seeing us lose both guards tonight. I'll not give the watchman too hard of a time as they obviously know the pirates well enough to know they'd think my being vocal meant something more than it did.

At this point LC, I'll share with you what I think will be most helpful as one fairly new person to another. The best thing we townies can do is probably stay calm and focus not on numbers but instead on specific behaviors and talk.

Take a look at who has gone after known innocents. Yes, some will have to be discounted because I myself was going hard after Rb for some time. But who started that? LG maybe she is the guilty one...I think she is at this point.

Take a a look at who known guilty people have been going after hard. The thing with the pirates is that they all know who one another are. They might admit that one of their own looks guilty but they'll probably not go after them hard but find some reason why they must place their vote elsewhere.

Don't expect all the votes of the guilty to be together. Last night is an example. See how JM's vote and JL's were placed on throw away votes? They didn't vote for the same people as the other pirates because they were wanting to create some distance so people didn't associate them as a collective group. And lucky for them the town was going after Rb who they knew was not a pirate. They had the confidence they could spread out their votes and an innocent would be lynched.

This is the point in the game where what seemed trivial the first day is more meaningful. Go back and review some of that and see what red flags exist now that didn't then.

Hope that helps if you're an innocent like I think. If you're a pirate, no harm in telling you as your friends on the ship would have already done so.
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Thanks for the pointers...I'll go back and see what I can come up with...hopefully you'll see a post soon.
 
Tried to copy/paste these, hope I didn't mess them up in the process...looked like some of the votes in day one were kinda out of order (Judge had a vote, then another entry for JM had a vote, so I combined them into one line) and hope I didn't jack them up in the process...
First Look: Voting records
Day One
(I)Beth (6) by HN(87), HN(392), DD(414), Mal(416), Mad(477), Grins(490), LC(497)
LC (3) by Beth(524), JM(530), Blue(538)
mee-mee (2) by JL(457), Jp(481)
(P)JM(2) by RB(508), Ice(603)
(I)RB (1) by JL(80). LG(503)
(P)JL (1) MeeMee (563)
JPap (1) Lupin(599)
HN (0) by Beth(90)
Mad (0) by LC(251)
Lupin (0) by ICE(399)
(I)MG - RIP (0) by ICE (305), HN (387)

Day Two
(I)RB (7) --- Ice(655), Grins(677), LadyG(703), Mal(876), DD(882), Blue(905), JP(941), Mee-mee(989)
(P)JM (5) --- RB(786), HN(835), LC(872), Mad(883), Grins(975)
MM (1) --- JL(807)
LC (1) --- JM(841)
Bala (0) --- LC(705)

Alright, so the people who voted for innocents BOTH nights: DD, Mal, LG.
The people who voted for known pirates BOTH nights: RB

Who known pirates have voted for, day 1: Mee-mee, LC
Who known pirates voted for, day 2: Mee-mee, LC

I don't like the latter part...seems to link me and Mee-mee to them, but I can't change the facts. I also can't change how I called Mee-mee one of my suspected innocents before nightfall. I don't think either of which look well on me, but I'm not going to hide it...it's there to see.

Since RB is an known innocent, and the only one to vote for known pirates both nights, that helps us little. I think it's interesting how DD is on the top of everyone's pirate suspects for day 3, and also one of the few people who's voted against an innocent each night. Not a tell, but not a good sign either.
 
OMG!!!!! I can not believe RB was innocent, AND we lost Ice..on top of that they were both Guards!!!!

It's great we lost 2 pirates, but atm I'm a little freaked out by tonights events!!

WOW, just WOW!!!! I can't beleive this, I expexted to come home to RB being planked and pirate, that I really have know idea what to think!

GREAT call watchman, that at least we have to be thankful for!!
 
Grins said:
A couple of new


  1. I suspect that Blue, DD, JP, LG, and Mad are probably pirates.
  2. Blue and DD because of them not catching my error in calling out Blue and DD when it should have been Blue and JM. They were trying to protect JM...who may have been Blackbeard and gave her post to a new captain to protect the ship because of how Bob and a few others were calling her out. That would explain Clown's hint.
  3. JP, still think that vote to get MeeMee out of nowhere after JL's post was scummy. Now that I know JL was scum, you're his pirate bunkmate in my mind.
  4. LG, sorry but I've been feeling uneasy about you for the past day. You've been helpful yes, but maybe too helpful in getting me to see Bob as a pirate. Could that be because you knew he was not a pirate all along and you cleverly went after him and managed to get me and others to go along with you? I don't trust you right now, I didn't tell you that earlier because being out here all alone I wanted to see what you'd do and if you'd pick up on Bob's clues he was tossing around.
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  1. Sorry, I shortened this, for the purpose of getting to what I want to post about. Grins, and everyone...yes I can understand and expect suspicions on me, because of the whole RB thing. Really, I just simply thought him to be pirate, the way he went after me and what he posted about me, quite honestly was false, I always have and always will post late night posts, that is just a time I have. Yes, I post at all times but the way he tried to say I JUST started posting late night in the last few games...that is false and I urge all of you to look at past games, look at the hours between 1am-3am, I bet I will be there posting in EVERY game I have played. I started playing in the warewolf games...pick ANY game between then and now, I swear I'll be there several nights between 1-3am, had he not said that or had he admitted he was wrong, I would maybe of not felt so strongly on him.

    On top of that his posting just DID NOT have the look of an innocent to me, I'm sorry...but he DID NOT to me play the role of an innocent.
 
Grins said:
Take a look at who has gone after known innocents. Yes, some will have to be discounted because I myself was going hard after Rb for some time. But who started that? LG maybe she is the guilty one...I think she is at this point.
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Oh, Grins believe me I know how this looks! The only thing I can do is tell you, you are wrong...I truly just thought he was pirate, I really did, I don't understand why he would accuse me of something, when HE KNEW it was not true! I am genuinely taken back by this...and believe me I know just by saying it, others may not think it's true, but REALLY...I'm at a loss here! All I can say to you and everyone else is, voting me will only put us in a worse position...we can't miss tomorrow (next nightfall)!

Now, I have to say, DD & Blue are 2 of my biggest suspects as of now, I have never played a game where all DD, Blue, AND JM posted they thought I was innocent and if you look, they ALL 3 eerily said almost the same thing about me. In most games they all three are known to fight and accuse with me, but ALL said I looked innocent, think....they most likely know I am and they all were trying to appeal to me by saying they thought me to be innocent, so I would MAYBE not go after them....
 
LesbianChap said:
Tried to copy/paste these, hope I didn't mess them up in the process...looked like some of the votes in day one were kinda out of order (Judge had a vote, then another entry for JM had a vote, so I combined them into one line) and hope I didn't jack them up in the process...
First Look: Voting records
Day One
(I)Beth (6) by HN(87), HN(392), DD(414), Mal(416), Mad(477), Grins(490), LC(497)
LC (3) by Beth(524), JM(530), Blue(538)
mee-mee (2) by JL(457), Jp(481)
(P)JM(2) by RB(508), Ice(603)
(I)RB (1) by JL(80). LG(503)
(P)JL (1) MeeMee (563)
JPap (1) Lupin(599)
HN (0) by Beth(90)
Mad (0) by LC(251)
Lupin (0) by ICE(399)
(I)MG - RIP (0) by ICE (305), HN (387)

Day Two
(I)RB (7) --- Ice(655), Grins(677), LadyG(703), Mal(876), DD(882), Blue(905), JP(941), Mee-mee(989)
(P)JM (5) --- RB(786), HN(835), LC(872), Mad(883), Grins(975)
MM (1) --- JL(807)
LC (1) --- JM(841)
Bala (0) --- LC(705)

Alright, so the people who voted for innocents BOTH nights: DD, Mal, LG.
The people who voted for known pirates BOTH nights: RB

Who known pirates have voted for, day 1: Mee-mee, LC
Who known pirates voted for, day 2: Mee-mee, LC

I don't like the latter part...seems to link me and Mee-mee to them, but I can't change the facts. I also can't change how I called Mee-mee one of my suspected innocents before nightfall. I don't think either of which look well on me, but I'm not going to hide it...it's there to see.

Since RB is an known innocent, and the only one to vote for known pirates both nights, that helps us little. I think it's interesting how DD is on the top of everyone's pirate suspects for day 3, and also one of the few people who's voted against an innocent each night. Not a tell, but not a good sign either.
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lol, voting for an innocent both nights doesnt nessisarily mean you are pirate, it just means you were wrong. Grins voted for an innocent both nights, and she is innocent
 
Malbri said:
lol, voting for an innocent both nights doesnt nessisarily mean you are pirate, it just means you were wrong. Grins voted for an innocent both nights, and she is innocent
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Grins retracted his vote for the innocent and placed it on the guilty...of course he did it last-minute, and he did it saying he still thought RB was a pirate...

Many of us were wrong...many times.
 
LesbianChap said:
Grins retracted his vote for the innocent and placed it on the guilty...of course he did it last-minute, and he did it saying he still thought RB was a pirate...

Many of us were wrong...many times.
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Oh, I didnt notice that that was red
 
Looking at the nights events, I see that I had a known innocent and a known pirate on my list of possibilities to vote for. Now that we know grins is innocent, that leaves LC left on my list, he is an unknown. Not ready to vote for him just yet..

Blue and DD because of them not catching my error in calling out Blue and DD when it should have been Blue and JM. They were trying to protect JM...who may have been Blackbeard and gave her post to a new captain to protect the ship because of how Bob and a few others were calling her out. That would explain Clown's hint.
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Grins, am I suppose to read your mind and know who you are talking about? JM was on my list as were you. I felt bob to be more piraty than JM, hence my vote on him. I was wrong, obviously I wasnt the only one that was. Why are you trying so hard to connect DD and I? A more experienced player would know that even if one is evil and there evil teammate is up for lynching that its best to make a sacrifice of one for the whole team than to bring the whole team down by outting yourself. Just a tip for you to remember.

From clowns post , I gather that there is a new captain on board the pirate ship. This means that we now have to basically start over looking for who this is. I feel that it is a low poster, one that we wouldnt readily recoginize a change in there post style,, unless of course they started to post more. I think that it would have been handed of to someone that wasn't being really questioned.

I have said that Lady G looked innocent this game, however with her recent post calling this out, it makes me wonder if she is indeed piraty. Shes not really been questioned that much, shes low on the radar, and shes a great player. Could she be the new Capt? This would throw out my thoughts of it being a low poster and someone thats not really been questioned, but lg really hasnt raised my suspicions, until now.

 
Blueiz said:
Looking at the nights events, I see that I had a known innocent and a known pirate on my list of possibilities to vote for. Now that we know grins is innocent, that leaves LC left on my list, he is an unknown. Not ready to vote for him just yet..



Grins, am I suppose to read your mind and know who you are talking about? JM was on my list as were you. I felt bob to be more piraty than JM, hence my vote on him. I was wrong, obviously I wasnt the only one that was. Why are you trying so hard to connect DD and I? A more experienced player would know that even if one is evil and there evil teammate is up for lynching that its best to make a sacrifice of one for the whole team than to bring the whole team down by outting yourself. Just a tip for you to remember.

From clowns post , I gather that there is a new captain on board the pirate ship. This means that we now have to basically start over looking for who this is. I feel that it is a low poster, one that we wouldnt readily recoginize a change in there post style,, unless of course they started to post more. I think that it would have been handed of to someone that wasn't being really questioned.

I have said that Lady G looked innocent this game, however with her recent post calling this out, it makes me wonder if she is indeed piraty. Shes not really been questioned that much, shes low on the radar, and shes a great player. Could she be the new Capt? This would throw out my thoughts of it being a low poster and someone thats not really been questioned, but lg really hasnt raised my suspicions, until now.
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So, let me make sure I am right here...you think I am pirate ONLY because I said I am concerned about you and DD now??? So had I not said, I am worried about you and DD, you would still think me to look innocent. OK, whatever Blue.

Guys I really don't know what to think. I want to look back threw the thread, see who all Ice, RB, and Grins has talked about, who talked about them the most and what not. The thing is, I don't know that the pirates would of been talking about Grins if she was their intended victim, it would be to obvious. Unless they had planned on someone else, then when Grins moved her vote to Jmax, they decided to take her out (well, try to anyway).

All I know for sure is, we HAVE to get a pirate next night fall, and now we don't have a guard to take another out, I'm still just amazed that RB and Ice were BOTH guards!!
 
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