Mafia 2014 #1-- FF1 Simple--The Play

[Zaffy]

Ok Zaffy, I have a question about timing and your original attempt to switch to FF in order to "tie" the votes...

thru post 227.....

(2) FF1 by 2Hobbs 190 jpap 227

(1) jpap by FF1 192

(3) Un by wiz 222 Zaff 224 Bally 226

1 folk remaining to vote....

About 50 Minutes to Nightfall Day 2....

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I'm using this vote count because it was posted well before you attempted to originally switch your vote and the only one left to vote was UN, who couldn't vote himself anyways.

I'm concerned about you saying that you wanted to move from UN to FF to tie it up. The problem is that because you were already on UN, by switching you would not only add 1 vote to FF, but you'd also take one away from UN. So the only way you could possibly do that and create a tie was if UN had 2 more votes than FF at the time of your switch.

I know I've had some math issues myself already this game, and maybe I'm missing something right now, but I think this is important because the only time that occurred is when Bally voted UN right before I voted FF...the votes happened at practically the same time and a good 30-40 minutes before you even tried to switch.

Could you reconcile any of this for me? I don't understand at what point you thought that by switching you'd tie the votes...

I was focused on the vote count:

(2) FF1 by 2Hobbs 190 jpap 227

(1) jpap by FF1 192

(3) Un by wiz 222 Zaff 224 Bally 226

I figured FF would move to protect himself, that'd make it 4:2 My switch would then make it 3:3. I was originally trying to post it at 3:30. Assuming either FF or UN were scum that would have given the scum 30 mins to try and mount a save. I didn't look at the names close enough to realize that UN hadn't voted yet, (I know now, it said there was a vote still outstanding). That's purely because I was posting from work and I'm a terrible multi-tasker.

I had no problem voting either one of them, I thought either of them could be scum. Unfortunately I messed up.

 

[the wizard]

I am here let me catch up in the game.

 

[the wizard]

FF;

How about you read Zaffy's post number 133 and comment on that for me.

You know, I don't know how I missed this.

The morning after D1 You, 2H, pulled a lot of my posts and questioned JP and Zaffy about them. Yet you give FF a post number and question him about one of Zaffy's posts.

I commented that it looked like you were trying to railroad me to the noose. It is, after all, an old scum tactic to bring someones posts up repeatedly without really committing yourself to a stand one way or the other on the posts. Much like you did. If others jump on it then you later join them, if no one bites you let it fade away.

You didn't pull Zaffy's post when you questioned FF to comment on it. Why is that?

It also appears to me that you have been going back and forth with JP about Zaffy all day. With you defending Zaffy.

Let me ask you this 2H. You said you would vote Zaffy right now if JP could prove UN was scum. Why does whether UN is scum or not determine if Zaffy is scum?

 

[the wizard]

Real quick question for Zaffy before I go back to read some more.

You said you wanted to tie it up between FF and UN. Why? Why was it impostant to you that they be tied for the lynch?

 

[the wizard]

Zaffy, I have been through the game looking, and searching and the two posts below are the two most helpful for the town posts you have made. For as active as you have been the t help you have been is to offer us WIFOM. Can you explain that? I can't find where you have kicked one bush. If you have please show me because I can't find it.

Reason to lean you innocent: The math works out. If kash is innocent and lynched, DD is innocent and UDs, and an unknown 3rd is hit. The town loses 3.

Reason to have a tinfoil suit made: The math doesn't work out. If the game started 7 innocents : 2 scum. 7-3 = 4. that would be 4:2 not 3:2. This is important because the math is central to the reason you give for voting the UD.

Reason to lean you innocent: 1 townie loss rather than 2. Of course scum would rather kill 2 townies than 1.

Reason to have a tinfoil suit made: The other runner up was the hit, DD could have come in last minute and tied it up in which case the person being hit could have been lynched and then the scum only gets one kill.

If it were almost anyone other than Pappy I'd put my foil away and lean innocent, but pappy is clever enough that I can't justify that right now. I feel like I've used a lot of words to say nothing, unless someone can point out an error I've made?

This begs the question. Was the scum present at nightfall? Or were they confident? or inept?

We can certainly see who was around for nightfall. I'm not saying this means anything in itself.

posted within 15 mins of night:
Kashta
Pappy
Zaffy
Wiz
2Hobbies


>15 mins:
UN 30 mins
Ballyhoo 59 mins
FF 4 hours
DD 23 hours 31 minutes

 

[the wizard]

Well it looks to me like we had two innocents up for the lynch last night.

A clever plan Jpap, and who Wiz, or Bally........to bad Zaffy came in at the stroke of midnight and blew it up.

You would have had such an easy day three railroading FF, with his flawed logic, and his last minute vote switch to lynch an innocent.

2H, how do you know we had 2 innocents up for the lynch. Now if UN is so innocent I know that the scum team would know.

Is that why you have been defending Zaffy all day?

Is that why for all your bush kicking you haven't kicked Zaffy's bush?

 

[Zaffy]

Zaffy, I have been through the game looking, and searching and the two posts below are the two most helpful for the town posts you have made. For as active as you have been the t help you have been is to offer us WIFOM. Can you explain that? I can't find where you have kicked one bush. If you have please show me because I can't find it.

You call it WIFOM, I call it thinking out loud.

 

[the wizard]

I can't think of any reason that I should wait until morning. I already know where my vote is going. We need to lynch scum to see another game day so I guess it is time to get the noose ready.

I vote to lynch Zaffy.

He has not been helpful to the town and has skated long enough.

 

[the wizard]

Good night town I will look in in the morning.

 

[user_name]

Still not helping me, maybe I'm just thick.

We have been working from the primes all game that there are likely 2 scum. (I agree with you on that by the way)

So this is my point. Without a UN/Zaffy team your questioning/focus on him in a do or die game day is a huge waste of time.

If Zaffy is Scum why would he draw attention to himself with a last minute move from one innocent to another. That makes no sense to me.

Maybe he thought FF was a PR or liked where my votes had gone so far? I mean there's only a couple scenarios to chose from:

1. He's telling the truth and was really confused. Understandable considering nightfall would be like 4pm his time I think, but then again it's a great excuse to use if one of the other options was a possibility.

2. He is scum and felt like keeping me around was more beneficial than FF. Maybe he thought FF was a PR, or liked where my votes were headed? I'm starting to rethink Pap now because of this, before I had him cleared but if he was teammates with Zaffy and knew FF was going to vote his way on what would be a do or die D3, then I can see why they'd rather stick to me. Not sure if that's worth losing the general insanity FF can cause, and looking scummy in the process. Could also be a combination of option 1's incompetence/real life stuff and this, where he meant to switch sooner for scummy reasons but left it to the last second.

3. He is innocent, and felt like FF's posts were really scummier than mine. His argument for voting FF is about the same as everyone else's, pointing to FF's ramblings against Pappy and his generally erratic play. What I don't understand is why insist that he thought it was headed for a tie? Just makes him look bad/unorganized and I don't see the benefit there.

4. He is scum and vote switched at the last possible second to save me. I'm obviously not going to give credence to that theory, but even if it was true I don't understand the last second nature of it.

No matter what his intentions were in posting last second like that, he knew it was going to generate controversy and made it anyways which makes me believe there is something else involved here.