OK so this is going to be long because I finally have some time to pay attention to this thread and have gone back and looked at Hooked Newbie like I suggested. While all of this is from day one it is very interesting when you put it all together like this. We now know that hooked was a mafia scumbag and I am looking at this through the eyes of who would see it as beneficial to remove hooked newbie from play even without investigating him or finding out who his allegances sided. I think there are probably several in this list.
Glad the game is on! It feels like I missed the last one completely. My suspicions are on everyone, but starting with those that have their name in Red. :grinyes:
First Quote.. Decides that all the mods are worth voting for..
LOL, is this an OMGUS vote?
Jibs RB about his vote being OMGUS
Ooooh.... another red name.
I vote to lynch Dangerdoll.
Last red to post gets my vote.
Votes DD
The last red name...
I retract my vote to lynch DD and vote to lynch Mgamer.
Will leave it here unless someone outright looks guilty. Can't trust them bell hops...
Votes Mgamer
Most of this above stuff is first day fun but I'm wondering if it isn't tounge in cheek fun and that he is setting himself up for future voting. At this point we are looking at everyone on equal footing as its day 1.
All those posts and not much substance. The Emo thing is interesting, but since no one knows who is who, I doubt it's staged in the least. Also, DD & Rb- isn't deleting posts basically editting AND using Mod powers? I believe Ice probably tweaked the roles too. LChap- good post but then again I remember how much you've been working for "future games" in the 2 you've played so anything I see from you wil be with a grain of salt.
While he doesn't actually direct this "at" Lchap I am thinking he is addressing thoughts to Lchap and trying to dig information out of him. Out of all of the players HN has the most unique insight to his play as in the pirate game he was the only player allowed to communicate outside of the thread with Lchap.
Well let's take a look at who Ice would have tweaked into what role...
First the playerlist:
Well first lets look at the Unknowns...These are people who haven't played Mafia before, and so we (And Ice) have no clue how they'll react. I doubt Ice would place either of them in the Boss slot, but he MIGHT have used them for the hitman/police; unlikely but possible:
CT
Emo
I agree with this analysis. I don't see him making either a boss, but they could be police or hitman.
The Oldtimers. (This title only truly applies to one person... :silly
These are players who are vets at Mafia, from what I've gathered. I still haven't read more then one game before I began playing, but it seems these are the people that have played at least 5 games. Ice would know how they'll react and do in any roles, and many of them are the first to be investigated:
Jpap Hard to read.
HN Not gonna comment on myself.
LG Frequently evil, sometimes crazy. lol
Clown Very much a "gamer", hard to read.
JM Always evil. :silly:
RB Only 1 PR that I remember, but very good at hiding in plain sight.
Grins All I know is to keep her quiet with bon bons.
Ogre Good, sneaky player. Brought the game here.
Bkw Low poster, except in mafia chat.
DD Always extremely hard to read.
Cory Sat out quite a few games, but was a regular. Hard to read from what I remember.
The above are just generalizations and opinion of overall play.
I noticed the list above seems to include just about everyone...of these, who usually stays off the radar, and who is always in the limelight? I don't have enough background to say, but they may have been given a role.
The Novices. These are the players like myself who have played a few games, enought to get a slight feel for, but still haven't been in enough games to show everything they got:
Mg
LC
Beth
Ice may have given someone in the Novice list a PR...maybe as an experiement to help him guage them in future games (Was it you?), maybe as a chance to watch them shine. I also realize that I'm in this list, and well...kinda scares me to be getting that much attention again...I swear I was about to be lynched 3 nights in a row last game, and I only survived two...if the Madman hadn't hit me, I'm sure Ice would have had the town on me.
Of the novice list, everyone BUT Beth has had a PR (as far as I'm aware). IF Ice is running a little experiement, he'd prolly give a role to Beth... Maybe...
This is all crazy LG analysis of the game, Day 1 style...I'm just trying to start to get into Ice's head (Just be nice to the dancing sheep), and think how he does, so we can figure out where he gave the roles. I think that the teams are random, and the only thing he did was tweak the PRs...so let's figure this out.
I'm going to keep my vote on RB for the time being...no reason for it being there, but no reason to move it. I can't wait till I'm investigated, and on a communicating team. I hate being paranoid of everyone...it's too much like work. :lipssealedsmilie:
Comments in blue.
yes, Hooked, which is precisely why I asked another mod that is not associated with this game to do so. The were duplicate posts. If they had any differences to them, (which one did that I told the mod who deleted it to put back), they should not be deleted. I used none of my own powers for the job.
I felt it necessary to include this quote as much was made about the whole deletion of posts.
Ok. I wasn't accusing anyone of anything. More of a clarification. It is a bit scary that you all have the ability to delete posts when it comes to these games...
Here he responds to DD's post.
ah, but hooked, we can see if they were deleted and by whom though if it came down to it
Rest assured that it can't be done without leaving a trail if it was even tried.
I again included this because I felt it was needed and have clarified through the moderator that removed those messages that this is in fact the case that those messages could be put back into the thread. And he did assure me that "nothing was deleted that should have stayed in the game".
You're the only suspect in a blue dress.... you are "special".
Call me crazy LG, but CT seems to catch on pretty quick. :laugh:
Here he addresses Jpap and CT
Little mixed up LC... or did you skim?
Here he questions LC's vote tally and then removes the question because LC made the correction.
You tell us Mg. Oops, wait that would be breaking the rules...
I'm not sure what to make of this post specifically as he is addressing MG who posted two of the few posts he's made that contain any gaming rational in them.
Whoa... I forgot you were playing. Lots of work huh? Sounds kinda shady considering the time you've spent filling out questionairres... Don't force me to post it. :silly:
I've tried, but apparently no one wants to fight. Besides, I don't want anyone to go Neon John on me. :lipssealedsmilie:
Here he starts digging into Jmax - note that to me this looks like normal HN because he is digging quite a few different players trying to get a read on them (or thats what it looks like to me) and I consider this normal HN play when he is an innocent. He does dig a lot of different players looking for reactions etc.
Curious... you said you got good grades and all, but is English your first langauge?
Ok, just thought I'd ask.
*ding ding* Resume newb war.
Here he starts playing with EMO and questioning him.. Again I'm thinking this he is digging for something reactionary..
1. Where have I mentioned your name "quite a bit"? Post numbers will suffice. My only point was that you said you've had little time for the game, but yet have read and analyzed things. Seems a bit contradictive.
2. That would be cool.
Is that the one that you were using to track votes with? :lipssealedsmilie:
LOL...
P.S. Yes.
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I was hopin you'd be reading this game and was hoping to see you in the signup.
Goes back to chatting with Jmax because of her replies to his above posts. To me she was awfully defensive in her responses to HN for just a post about what she was doing outside of the AC forums.
Whoa... wait a minute here CL. You mean they're either innocent or mafia? In a 50/50 game? This is your "analysis"? You gotta be kidding me right?!
I retract my vote to lynch Mg and vote to lynch Cory Lover.
Now he starts seeing what Cory Lover is up to.. Again this is a player with whom he has a unique insight as I do believe Cory was the President and HN was one of the men in that game..
Kind of a cheap shot blending references from two games...
One difference between you and John (besides the obvious) though. You usualy deserve them. Even your signature says so....
Again digging Jmax
CT... I really am not sure what to think about you. Did you get some tips from Lchap on how to appear as evil as possible? My vote isn't on you, but only because in this format I'm not comfortable voting off a newb. It is easy to see why you have the votes though. The ones that concern me the most right now are CL, Bkw, Ogre (they disappear off the radar too easily) and JM & Clown (for their out of norm play). Go ahead Julz.... tell me again how busy you've been.
Here he is replying to CT who stated that next game he will try harder as he is going that night. And I have to agree with what he posted and was why I personally did not vote for CT. Again he was a newbie and I had written things off as newbie first day mistakes. It was to our benefit that he was mafia when he was lynched but realistically it could have gone the other way as well..
Ya know.... just because he hasn't had a vote on him yet and has been quiet (and to help our Mod build some character)... I retract my vote to lynch Cory and vote to lynch Bkw.
I think everyone should vote for everyone else at least once and let the vote end where you want it.... round and round it goes.... Ice'll probably thank us... really. :grinyes:
I think here he goes back to having some fun and playing with ICE actually.
"See Spot run, See Spot walk, See Spot being lynched for melodrama". I read good. :grinyes:
Here he digs back into Lchap..
My fault... I meant to say I'm the bestest reader.
Replying to Grins for his Grammer
Digs Ogre about his number of posts.
No problem. I own the software to do it. :silly:
Harasses ICE about him not wanting to track retracted votes.
Well, it's a 50/50 game so I think it's fitting that it goes to a coin flip. Hopefully we get a bad guy.
I retract my vote to lynch Bkw and vote to lynch Lchap.
Was the count right? 5-6?
I retract my vote from Lchap and vote to lynch Ogre.
Hopefully this makes it even. I'll be back in a few... I need to use the restroom to take a big bala...
Here he is playing with his votes wanting ICE to have to make the decision based on the voting being a 50/50..
Ok so contrary to what LadyG posted earlier (see below for her analysis of HN posting) I think he was digging Lchap and Jmax and DD the most. He did dig emo about his posting saying he thought he got straight A's in school etc (see above). Sout out of the above who do I think would take him out based on his posting.. Well this is partly based on who he was digging but also my insights as to how two of those people play..
Lchap
DD
JM
Are my choices. I am totally writting off that it was a newbie who took HN out because if they have never played with him how could they know what type of threat he could be if he was an innocent player. They would have absolutely no frame of reference to go from. And from the looks of the newbie players that we have they obviously haven't gone back to read previous games because they are making way to many newbie mistakes to have done so. So with that knowledge I do know that JMax can make some snap decisions about things when she doesn't have a team to support her.. As well as I've seen DD do the same thing. But I'm thinking my final vote is going to have to go to Lchap simply due to the fact of what happened with the night 1 voting. His knowledge of how HN helped him tune his play in the pirates game and KNOWS very well that HN was a very good player that game that found out who the pirates were fairly quickly. That would make him a big threat in this game..
So at this point
I replace my vote to lynch LChap.
LadyG's Analysis-
Ok, going through HNs post, yes most were joke sounding type posts...but he took stabs at Lchap and Emo alot. Now, honestly I do not see Ice giving the "boss" position to a complete newb...but Lchap, yep I could see this.
HN started the game out switching votes, I took it as "poking fun" at Lchap, could he (Lchap) of taken (or tooken for Grins) it personal?
I'm not really sure on this obviously, but I really could see Lchap taking out HN in retaliation to him picking on Lchap so much. IF we were to take the boss is a newer player in consideration.
. Actually, I'm happy I get to have one more "baseline" game as just another innocent...it'll keep everyone guessing for the one game when I actually do get picked to play Mafia.
