Mafia #23 Revenge

[KingOfTheDeep]

ok, i'm going to sleep..i'll be back later

 

[ZSandmann]

Bala sees the Day One come to an end...

And the start of the Day Two...

Who can forsee the Trend..

Be four we reach the End...


g'nite, folks!

I was bowing to him being a slick willy.. I mean he posted his vote for ZSandman knowing he wasn't retracting it, and I didn't catch it. Thats why I did the whole "smooth and bowing thing"..

I'll take my share of the blame for lynching Malbri and like I said I completely expect people to look at me for my late voting change etc. But she was one of my suspects as well. Its not like she wasn't on my list as leaning mafia. I did place my vote on Judge then her as well but that was honestly because Grins made a reference in one of her posts that has led me to believe that she might be an innocent. And then with Mal's last little episode I decided that she was just to much mafia for me not to vote for her.. I do try to go for the less obvious players but I also don't try to purposely lynch someone that I have questions about possibly being innocent. You know that as you've experienced my play enough.

Grins isn't off my list just like JM isn't and you aren't for your lack of kicking bushes and normal townie play. But like I said I'm trying to re-evaluate things as I might have be off on my instincts as of this point.

The reason I say we can remove Bkw from the team that went and hit ILB is because he voted for ILB...I doubt anyone on that Mafia team would have voted for who they were going to hit. But there are two Mafia teams, and he still may be on the team that DIDN'T hit ILB. KOTD for the same reason...the only reason I think to add him again is that he may have made the vote PRIOR to his team deciding to hit ILB, and when they did retracted and made friendly with ILB.

Sorry, I missed your question...Where is it? 11 pages at 100 posts a page makes for a LOT to shift through to find it.

Problem with that LChap is that King and I joined after the roles were assigned. He or I could have been turned at the start of Day 2, but as of yesterday we were both more or less confirmed innocent. I can't prove that, but just want you to have all the information.

 

[ZSandmann]

Excuse the other posts I was prepping a reply and forgot I had quoted those posts. I'll redo it.

 

[clown-lover]

oh trust me..i would...

King I like you as a player (even though you lynched me in my first game and was an innocent just because you didn't like my statistics, yeah I hold grudges sue me :silly but I just can't take that at face value.. The only thing I can take at face value is if I see you kicking down doors and help us try to rid the town of mafia.

 

[Blueiz]

After everything that has happened this is all we get out of you?? While I know your not a high poster Blue but as of this point your looking even more suspicious. I hate to doubt you and your statement about Grins editing a post but as of this point I have to kind of doubt it as 1) your constantly harping on just that and nothing else 2)you didn't post the original for the rest of us to see it. And option 1 is what is really making me question you more right now..

Yes Cl, My vote is staying on Grins. It was put there becuase of her lying about editing her post, I dont care if you or anyone else believes me concerning that as I have already posted. My vote is staying on her now because I fully believe that she is mafia.

Go back and read how her tone changed when the votes were stacking up on her. For those defending grins at this point, you are looking really suspicious to me.

JM was almost lynched last night, I believe that JM is innocent and just having fun this go around and letting her blonde roots show.

No, I didnt make the original for the rest to see it, unfortuanatly quotes in quotes do not carry over, and my phsychic abilities were taking a break I suppose when they didnt tell me that she was going to edit her post.

Im not harping on anything. I stated my reason why I voted for grins, when grins questioned me, or referenced that I was confused, I responded to that. Shes the one that brought it up, not me.

Your post above calling me a liar concerning it puts you just a notch below Grins on my mafia radar. Why are YOU bringing it up again? I have expalined all you have asked already in my previous posts.

Just becuase I didnt jump on a train and vote to lynch an innocent last night, or help the train out by posting stuff that was laughable concerning mal, that makes me look guilty?

Take it or leave it, its your choice.

 

[Madcrawdad]

Actually I can move my vote back to you if you prefer and let RB make the decision between who gets lynched tonight. I have no expectations that after the case I helped build on Grins and my vote switch that you'll lead the charge to have me lynched tomorrow.

But like I said there was a message that only I would understand in a post that leads me to believe I'm making a mistake and taking out a townie.

Clown, could you please point me to the post where Grins sent you the secret message that she was innocent?

 

[Blueiz]

Anyone that has played with me knows that I rarely if ever to analysation of players. When I have thoughts I post them.

 

[OgreMkV]

Early morning thoughts:

I'm thinking that some others are correct and we have totally misfired on who we thought were mafia. I know I've been critical of rb's hints before, but I'm willing to take them on this time. So Grins, for now, you're off the hook. I retract my vote for Grins.

First let me say something about statistics. The problem with us having a 33% chance or <shudder> 50% chance of lynching a mafia today is that those percentages presume that all other things are equal and we know that's not the case. Some people will be defending themselves, some attacking others, some defending others. So, just throw statistics out the window after day 1 (even on day one pretty much).

Now for my list... again based on some hints that rb threw out (and my interpretation of them) I'm listing the following as my top mafia choices:

JMax - she's a vet player and made some very interesting statements about this game (especially recently)

Ice - definately not my top choice, but there are some curious things going on here.

ZSand - His posts are similar to the time that he was mafia and I busted him on it. IMO, they are good posts, but lacking that effort towards innocence.

The next one would be one of Mad, Hooked, DD with me leaning toward DD. She's a very quiet player that hides well. Hooked is more aggressive, so somewhat easier to see goofs or slips. Mad is probably lowest on my list for mafia right now, but it would be a mistake to not look at him closely. He posts infrequently, but they are usually excellent posts when he's innocent.

I'm also curious about the assumption that one of Zsand and KOTD came into the game as mafia. I realize that this is based on rbs posts, but I don't think that was the message.

Unless we can pretty much through the rules and stated objectives out the window, then we are looking at 6 mafia now out of 17 players (two deaths last night). With two innocent deaths today we would be 6 of 15 and the blackmail might come into play so 6 of 14... still not 50/50.... wierd....

Of course, if the detective is mafia, then we are in serious trouble anyway.

 

[ZSandmann]

Bala sees the Day One come to an end...

And the start of the Day Two...

Who can forsee the Trend..

Be four we reach the End...


g'nite, folks!

The "Be four" instead of "Before" is the obvious hint here. But with 18 players in the game there would have to be 9 Mafia to make it 50/50. I can't come up with any way within the posted rules that there could be nine Mafia. If anyone has thoughts on that I would like to hear them. But also I suggest we try and not get too caught up in bob's mind games and focus on players and posts. I remember one of the last games I played, I think it was the With game, folks got incredibilty drawn up in the "clues".

I was bowing to him being a slick willy.. I mean he posted his vote for ZSandman knowing he wasn't retracting it, and I didn't catch it. Thats why I did the whole "smooth and bowing thing"..

I'll take my share of the blame for lynching Malbri and like I said I completely expect people to look at me for my late voting change etc. But she was one of my suspects as well. Its not like she wasn't on my list as leaning mafia. I did place my vote on Judge then her as well but that was honestly because Grins made a reference in one of her posts that has led me to believe that she might be an innocent. And then with Mal's last little episode I decided that she was just to much mafia for me not to vote for her.. I do try to go for the less obvious players but I also don't try to purposely lynch someone that I have questions about possibly being innocent. You know that as you've experienced my play enough.

Grins isn't off my list just like JM isn't and you aren't for your lack of kicking bushes and normal townie play. But like I said I'm trying to re-evaluate things as I might have be off on my instincts as of this point.

This is the second time I've seen you post this comment. What did Grins post to make you think this? I ask as Grins is my number one suspect and if I am missing something I would like to see it so I can factor it into my vote. If it is a reference to a previous game this is especially true as I have not played with Grins before. This kind of info should be freely shared with the town.

oh trust me..i would...

Oh trust me..he would...

 

[LesbianChap]

I see you found the post. Will get to that in a sec but **** if I ain't going to be late for work again.. sigh..

Ok so I thought you were including people that could be removed because of when they entered the game and thought you had confused BKW with Zman. So with that in mind yesterday KOTD could only have been viewed as an innocent because of his late entry into the game. He entered into the game after it had started and after roles had been picked and after the mafia had picked their first player. That all changes after today mind you, and even though he just posted that he would UD if selected I can't put a lot of weight onto that statement because I don't know him well enough to say one way or another if he would.

So like I said there is some of your stuff I can agree with but this I can't.

Problem with that LChap is that King and I joined after the roles were assigned. He or I could have been turned at the start of Day 2, but as of yesterday we were both more or less confirmed innocent. I can't prove that, but just want you to have all the information.

All the one games I've seen that RB modded, the players that joined late always caused trouble...that game it was Brains, and apparently the game didn't end when they lynched the last mafia (by the count), until a large fuss was raised. Either Brains was an extra Mafia, or RB forced a communicating Innocent to become Mafia without anyone (including the Innocent) knowing it. While the rules, AS WE UNDERSTAND THEM, don't allow for KOTD or ZSandy to be Mafia, we ALL know RB likes to throw in those curve balls regardless of the rules. Joining late may make it more likely you're innocent, but I'm not gonna take it as a 100%.

I'm still going to watch KOTD...he may not be the biggest fish to fry, but he's still one to watch IMO.

I don't know...I see Blue's posting today, but so far it's just saying she thinks JM is innocent when everyone else doesn't. Sounds like she has some knowledge the rest of us don't...maybe Mafia knowledge?