Mafia #23 Revenge

This post is more to answer a question....and a thought
Well it looks like we've had a productive day.. And more productive in a sense of what was posted vs the number of posts. I am going to chop on the posts themselves otherwise this thing would just get to be to long.. Like its not going to be long enough...

Ok so why not share some of your insights with the town? Do you have anything to add to what has been said or do you plan on hiding behind a post that you entered into this thread almost a thousand posts ago? I mean I've seen more posting out of you in games past and as of this point I'm expecting you to tell me you have RL issues.

LadyG I'm not saying your mafia by pointing this out I am just questioning.. Why isn't LChap on this list? Up until today he really hasn't posted, he still hasn't completely allieviated the guilt he built up in my eyes with his prior lack of activities, you caught DD and added her below but not him... Why?

I have to agree that I think this is one of the best posts I have ever seen out of LadyG and has firmly gone down a notch or more on my list towards the innocent side because of it. But as i stated above when I had my doubt about Grins, this is where I fell into in my voting.

With all of the above being said there are other players that I have stated earlier that I would like to hear more from.. I've heard from LChap but there seems to be a plethora of players who seem to sign up for these games and think that its just ok not to contribute anything of substance. I don't have a problem with low posters persay, but I do have a problem with low posers that have no content. I have proven in several games that the low posters seem to be more mafia than others and I'm going to start shaking some of your trees.

I retract my vote from LChap.. It may be replaced at a later time as night 2 isn't over with and honestly your not 100% innocent in my eyes yet or even in the area of a concerned townie.
OK, I know Z asked the same thing,,,and I'm sorry I didn't answer earlier...I wasn't trying to avoid it. Yes, Lchap is very curious this game...I do not like his new "style", it drives me nuts! Really, it was pretty much an oversight at the time..I had been looking through alot and thinking in many different directions. I do think he is plaing like scum...if he is a townie as many have said, he needs to step up.

The big ADP was by ladyg and her post pointed at blue.. She has paid her price and them some for that post..
Yes, it was....kinda strange how he just "pulled" this out of nowhere isn't it....as I stated earlier I think Blue or yourself are the one who had him post that. To be honest...my gut says it was you, simply because Blue is the more "obvious" see I remember how you wondered how I knew you were mafia...you even questioned me about it later after the game.

What that post DOES say to me though is he IS most likely mafia....as I said, I just don't see someone who wasn't in the game then or anytime around then, "recalling" that.
 
Bala grins..and sighs....

...and the game gets serious...kewl....

As for clarification...anything can be possible...unless there is a rule that says it can't happen....

Ok...here we go again....Now I think he may Grin & sigh...because she asks many questions, you see it makes me think of when she was talking about all the emails, IMs, PMs she will send with questions...maybe she is making him "sigh" with all of it?? Of coarse, I'm not sure if it is for good or bad, but I really have a feeling that is what it is about.

Then we get to "kewl" well after the ONE post (funny how one single post can make you see something) I believe almost 100% Cooldude is mafia. Not just the fact he was saying something I did...but where has he really added anything before that??? Then out of no where he comes up with something I just find hard to believe he would know all on his own.

Which leads me to the CL now that could be Clown or Cory...because of what I said before I am leaning more Clown...Was Clown questioning the "rules"...I think he was...wasn't he going to go back and look for "loop holes" in the rules???

Then for the part I am most worried about..."anything can be possible...unless there is a rule that says it can't happen" my first thought was KOTD and Z...everyone was questioning if they could or couldn't be mafia...we all assumed they couldn't...but really the "rules" didn't say that, it said they wouldn't have a PR....mafia really isn't a PR IMO, it is a role just like innocent..a PR would be the head mafia, the DR, the detective...not mafia.
That rule OR it could be how some were questioning the old/new mafia and if one was picked by the other, what would happen. IF this is the question being "clarified" I have a feeling that may of happened. Now that I have typed it out...I am thinking more that is what was being addressed. Wow, just thought...Grins has lots of questions, CLown was questioning rules and Cool made a post very off IMO for a new player. Hmmm, now I have more to ponder.

But I have to get to bed, I will think about this some more and post more thoughts on it tomorrow. I would like some others thoughts on this please.
 
Well, before I go to bed I have to say after reading through the posts and thinking about everything...my top suspects would have to be.....

Blue
Clown
Cooldude
Grins
 
OK, I am starting w/ Blue


Understandable...I wouldn't "turn in" a team mate either....may keep it in my mind for further reference but not turn on them. Really I do not remember for sure which person said that to me as a team mate....but she sure hasn't commented on your or my statement. This helps seal that post from her though as total BS.

How is sitting on one person for one thing not tunnel vision?? Oh, wait he is now suspicious to you...well DUH he posted against you, how could he not be? :headshake2:

Now, I included this post for a reason....notice he and Blue are posting about the same time....obviously it is referencing me. Now if he had ever played w/ me before, or was playing anytime around that game...I may of thought not so much of it...but am I really to believe someone who hasn't been in the game is going to think of a game from like 2 months ago??? No, I just don't buy it, someone has told him this, was it Blue..not sure, but he is "recalling" a game that was about 2 months ago...my first innocent PR as the DR. Pap and I fooled everyone making them think I was the detective and protected by the DR. we were getting Mafia lynched well with this method, then I did get hit, with my AD post I wrote it in Blue an said how I looked up to the "blue" sky before closing me eyes forever, or something on those lines...well it was obvious Blue was our last investigation together. And she did end up lynched...believe me I felt the wrath from every player for that. Anyway, I just find it very hard to believe he just "knew" this. Now IMO, Blue may not be the one who said this the only other one I could see it coming from would be Clown...he was amazed apparently that I had pegged him as mafia that game, and the next game I played with him he really tried head games with me...this is where our "non trust" issues of each other in these games came from. I have no idea at this point which I think said this to Cool dude...but I am almost positive it was either Blue or Clown.
Actually Blue you should say anyone looking at you is suspicious...at least that seems to be your trend, this game and most other games.


Oh, I think you yourself are the conductor of your "train" Blue...isn't a persons posting the reason they get looked at in the first place...also I can recall several times you saying these same things (almost to the word I bet) when you have been evil. No, your "style" is no secret...it seems you lay low, until called out, then say anyone looking your way is of interest to you.

So, besides calling ppl out that have mentioned you..where are your thoughts Blue?? I too am going to ask, what is that suppose to mean, I see no answer from you...OH would that require a actual thought???

The thing is you haven't posted to help the town...well except to say Grins edited a post...to which when questioned about by Grins you said would require "mod powers" and you don't do that in these games right.

Yep, you are posting, mainly to "defend" yourself...still waiting on some real thoughts though...I think the only thing you pay attention to is if someone has said you look suspicious..

OUCH...touchy are we???

So you admit you do nothing to help the town..right?


WOW..thats quite an observation..that was i believe the last time i was mafia, it was me, dd, sploke, JL and charlie.we got pissed at RB for handing out clues when we nearly obliterated the town in 2 days...a while ago indeed.

i'm willing to bet RB has a few serious clues in his night posts, and they don't like it and have discussed it..i think you just gave yourself away cool..thanks!
 
I think that most people have come to the conclusion that emo will not be joining us much this game. This presents kind of a problem, as if the guy doesn't post, his status can only be guessed at.

I think that at some point, the town will need to address the issue, as based upon his single last-minute vote yesterday he doesn't plan on UDing.

Everyone keep in mind that lynching non-producing newbies has typically not gone in the town's favor, so lynching Emo is risky. But if it's going to be done, earlier is probably the better time to do it just to put an end to the distraction.

I myself would prefer to give him another chance to UD, and if that doesn't work, then deal with him. Thoughts?

While I think its extremely possible emo is mafia and was told to just lay low by his boss I'm willing to see if he UDs tonight. Emo doesn't worry me as much as some of the other mafia do, if he isn't talking he also isn't making cases versus innocents.

My problem isn't that you named me, my problem was that you seemed to want to pick the top 3. I'd rather see everyone's top 3 and pick from those.



Matt, you seem like a nice guy so please don't take this as me saying you aren't. But this is a game that we all sign up for and play with friends. I was friends with Clown before playing this game but I'd sure in heck put him up if it was for the better of the town and I'm willing to bet he would do the same. Same goes for Beth. I've become friends with others here as well Hooked over there sure isn't going easy on me and neither is Julz (she is crazy by the way :lipssealedsmilie:). It is a game, putting a hit on someone in the game doens't mean that you aren't their friend outside the game. Why come into it with the pre-concieved notion that you won't play for the good of your team?

You can go on your gut all you want by the way, but how are we supposed to use you as a team member when it is your gut? Sorry but that looks guilty to me as no one can be called out for what they feel in their gut. And I said you're not considering them, at least not fully if you are saying they don't seem mafia to you. How can you say they don't seem mafia after either not posting or doing some of the strange things LC did?

Sorry Cory, I wasn't paying that much attention to you yesterday but with a fresh look on things today you are not looking so innocent to me.

Again, I did not pick 3. Those are 3 I thought everyone would agree on. If the players would have said I feel more comfortable with such and such I wouldn't argue it. My vote is where I think it needs to be,others have been all over you and I'm starting to wonder if I've been that blind to it. The 3rd was Blue because of her hiding behind one post and suspect and not looking anywhere else. I know there are/were at the time bigger suspects then Blue but I included her.

I do agree about Cory though. A few posts he has made today seem to be to deflect any thought he could be mafia even though no one was really even looking his way.


Hurry up...someone tell me what to do! I've lost it! :help:

Say you don't like us pull your vote and UD( only if you're mafia though)other then that you're still doing a great job of being a mela.


Ok...here we go again....Now I think he may Grin & sigh...because she asks many questions, you see it makes me think of when she was talking about all the emails, IMs, PMs she will send with questions...maybe she is making him "sigh" with all of it?? Of coarse, I'm not sure if it is for good or bad, but I really have a feeling that is what it is about.

Then we get to "kewl" well after the ONE post (funny how one single post can make you see something) I believe almost 100% Cooldude is mafia. Not just the fact he was saying something I did...but where has he really added anything before that??? Then out of no where he comes up with something I just find hard to believe he would know all on his own.

Which leads me to the CL now that could be Clown or Cory...because of what I said before I am leaning more Clown...Was Clown questioning the "rules"...I think he was...wasn't he going to go back and look for "loop holes" in the rules???

Then for the part I am most worried about..."anything can be possible...unless there is a rule that says it can't happen" my first thought was KOTD and Z...everyone was questioning if they could or couldn't be mafia...we all assumed they couldn't...but really the "rules" didn't say that, it said they wouldn't have a PR....mafia really isn't a PR IMO, it is a role just like innocent..a PR would be the head mafia, the DR, the detective...not mafia.
That rule OR it could be how some were questioning the old/new mafia and if one was picked by the other, what would happen. IF this is the question being "clarified" I have a feeling that may of happened. Now that I have typed it out...I am thinking more that is what was being addressed. Wow, just thought...Grins has lots of questions, CLown was questioning rules and Cool made a post very off IMO for a new player. Hmmm, now I have more to ponder.

But I have to get to bed, I will think about this some more and post more thoughts on it tomorrow. I would like some others thoughts on this please.

They all sound reasonable but I don't know that it can be limited to 1 person each.

As pointed out earlier Ogre sighs a lot in his posts.

Kewl could also be emo since emos they think they are cool.

CL could be Cory Lover. It was a small c which could be the junior CL. But that doesn't really work with clarification so it could also be LC in reverse. He was also asking rules questions and for clarification.

I'm leaning more towards the LC idea as his play has been anything but helpful to the town.
 
More thoughts on the clue.

What if he is naming both teams?

Grins- Grins

Ogre- sighs

cool-kewl

emo-kewl (bc they think they are)

LC- clarification (backwards cL)

Clown - clarification

though I thought of a reason for cL that fits with the being the junior cL.

He was trying to clarify why he wouldn't have hit IBL and why he couldn't be mafia.

Since clown seems to be actually helping the town I would be inclined to not include him and think the rest of the list actually looks pretty good. According to my thoughts and those of others.

That would be 6 total, and since RB did say anything is possible if its not in the rules its possible Z and/or KOTD came in as mafia and chose a 3rd player for their team (Blue?) to make it 9 mafia vs 9 innocents which would be a 50/50 game.

All speculation as even as I type it I'm thinking its a reach. But I would have felt wrong not putting it out there. I'd rather be wrong about an idea then to keep it to myself and be right.
 
Well, before I go to bed I have to say after reading through the posts and thinking about everything...my top suspects would have to be.....

Blue
Clown
Cooldude
Grins

LG, since you asked for input...

With regard to Blue, something seems a little off. In the few games that I've played with Blue she's never been a really heavy poster when either playing mafia or innocent. Her lack of posting and defensiveness surrounding it is becoming more suspect as the game goes on. She's always struck me as pretty intelligent, so I can't figure out (if she's innocent) why she doesn't see how her actions are detrimental to the town.

As far as Clown, I'm kind of liking Clown for reasons other than referring to the color of your AD post. In a couple of posts he has some holey logic, a couple of inconsistencies, and in at least one post I've seen a decent scumtell. I'll post thoughts on that later today, as I don't want it to go unnoticed in the event I should turn up dead tomorrow.

Cool - With regard to Cool mentioning your blue AD post, I think that he actually played that game, so the fact that he'd bring it up doesn't seem all that odd to me. It would be good to see more input from him, as these guys who aren't helping at all could really kill the town.

Grins - Grins looks scummy to me, but now I can't decide if I like she or Ice better for scum. The fact that Ice would seemingly go to such extremes to save her on Day 1 is really odd. REALLY odd, regardless of whether Grins is actually mafia or innocent. Also, not saying it's not true, but for somebody on their deathbed, Grins sure can still find the time to post when necessary.
 
LG, since you asked for input...

With regard to Blue, something seems a little off. In the few games that I've played with Blue she's never been a really heavy poster when either playing mafia or innocent. Her lack of posting and defensiveness surrounding it is becoming more suspect as the game goes on. She's always struck me as pretty intelligent, so I can't figure out (if she's innocent) why she doesn't see how her actions are detrimental to the town.

As far as Clown, I'm kind of liking Clown for reasons other than referring to the color of your AD post. In a couple of posts he has some holey logic, a couple of inconsistencies, and in at least one post I've seen a decent scumtell. I'll post thoughts on that later today, as I don't want it to go unnoticed in the event I should turn up dead tomorrow.

Cool - With regard to Cool mentioning your blue AD post, I think that he actually played that game, so the fact that he'd bring it up doesn't seem all that odd to me. It would be good to see more input from him, as these guys who aren't helping at all could really kill the town.

Grins - Grins looks scummy to me, but now I can't decide if I like she or Ice better for scum. The fact that Ice would seemingly go to such extremes to save her on Day 1 is really odd. REALLY odd, regardless of whether Grins is actually mafia or innocent. Also, not saying it's not true, but for somebody on their deathbed, Grins sure can still find the time to post when necessary.

i don't remember him in that game..not at all..unless i'm thinking of a different one..
 
i don't remember him in that game..not at all..unless i'm thinking of a different one..

There we quite a few UDs that game, and I think that you may have been one of them (I think RB found you dead in the shower with Dwarf Puffers :) ).

If my memory serves me correctly it was Blue's first game and it happened around Halloween. Basically, LG was hopped up on the sauce, and confirmed that Blue was mafia in an afterdeath post. As she had been communicating with the detective, everyone knew that Blue was definitely mafia.

Pretty sure that it was Cool's first game too, as I kind of remember giving him some grief about not pulling his weight there either.
 
There we quite a few UDs that game, and I think that you may have been one of them (I think RB found you dead in the shower with Dwarf Puffers :) ).

If my memory serves me correctly it was Blue's first game and it happened around Halloween. Basically, LG was hopped up on the sauce, and confirmed that Blue was mafia in an afterdeath post. As she had been communicating with the detective, everyone knew that Blue was definitely mafia.

Pretty sure that it was Cool's first game too, as I kind of remember giving him some grief about not pulling his weight there either.

i don't think we are thinking of the same game then. it definitely was not around halloween

i was mafia in the game i'm thinking of, after RB's clues we were all out in the open and the innocents lynched us all, which caused us to be a bit mad.
 
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