Mafia #23 Revenge

[ZSandmann]

Here is my thought perhaps Jmax is being made to be a scapegoat. Just a thought remember, I know one person who has slipped by twice now, and thats Grins. SHe was looked at on day 1 and then the whole "Mal is the don" popped up and lots of people myself included let Grins slip by. NOw people were looking hard at Grins again and now LC has "outted himself and she slips by again. In all Honesty my top two picks are Grins and LC. Thoughts anyone?

Gotta agree with you Beth, my top three for a New Mafia team would be LChap, Grins, and cooldude (based on LG's analysis).

However, I would like to see for certain that cool was not in that game mentioned by LG, I think I was in it, and I don't think I have ever played with cool.

 

[Cory Lover]

Ok....moring here on the west coast....I'll post my thoughts soon.

 

[bethkira2000]

I really never would have thought about Cool, have never played with him before either. My other thoughts have slighty gone up with Ice, but there really isn't anything definte.

 

[clown-lover]

Boy, it looks like Clown is really having fun with his new ACville voter ID card...

To add to this Mad.. What have you been doing by trying to get people to talk or bring people into being actively engaged in the game instead of hiding in the shadows as is your standard play? As least my voting, proding etc is getting information out there. I mean not all of us can have around 3% of the total game contribution and look as innocent as you do now..

But then you also didn't mean to stop my "prey" hunting on day one either did you?

 

[Cory Lover]

Matt, you seem like a nice guy so please don't take this as me saying you aren't. But this is a game that we all sign up for and play with friends. I was friends with Clown before playing this game but I'd sure in heck put him up if it was for the better of the town and I'm willing to bet he would do the same. Same goes for Beth. I've become friends with others here as well Hooked over there sure isn't going easy on me and neither is Julz (she is crazy by the way :lipssealedsmilie. It is a game, putting a hit on someone in the game doens't mean that you aren't their friend outside the game. Why come into it with the pre-concieved notion that you won't play for the good of your team?

You can go on your gut all you want by the way, but how are we supposed to use you as a team member when it is your gut? Sorry but that looks guilty to me as no one can be called out for what they feel in their gut. And I said you're not considering them, at least not fully if you are saying they don't seem mafia to you. How can you say they don't seem mafia after either not posting or doing some of the strange things LC did?

Sorry Cory, I wasn't paying that much attention to you yesterday but with a fresh look on things today you are not looking so innocent to me.

I didn't really have a pre-concieved notion. The fact is it was her first game, and if I was the mafia boss I would not hit her, unless she was the last innocent standing. I convinced her to play, and I would hate to be in a position where I would have to eventually hit her, if no one voted against her. I'm happy I was not put in a role like that, so I don't even have to think about it.

I don't go all on my gut. Probably about 60%-40% (evidence=60%~gut=40%).


After seeing some more posts from LC, he probably goes up to a 6 now.

Matt

 

[Cory Lover]

lady: good lord, i hate to say it, but I feel she has to be innocent!

ogre: I don't know, i felt he was innocent at first, But since nightfall, we haven't seen a whole lot from him. I HAVE HIM AT NEAUTRAL

hook: Well, i hate to say it, because I know things are crazy for him right now, However, I miss my aggressive HN,I have him leaning slightly mafia.

ice: WELL, i think he is mafia, .I think he defended grins, and logically in my mind, I could see grins choosing him, as one of her minions. This is also why i feel HN could be mafia, i see no issues with Grins choosing him.

blue: I don't know, She seems to be a little aggressive, but If i remember correctly,she was like that in several games, and was mafia and Innocent, so i don't think its a tell, .however, she is a little higher on my list as well.

clown: WTF?..seriously, I am now mafia, ..?..so, ..are you grins other choice then?..

DD: DD where are you?..You are usually much more involved, and haven't really posted anything, your just as bad at being bad, as me, ..I think, she may be mafia.


emo: I don't think emo is mafia, I think, he got bored with the game, ..i think, he started playing because he thought it was cool, and has now decided, as kids are apt to do, that its to much work, to actually pay attention.

cory: where are you?.. is teh game not fun enough for you?..did you guys decide that its not what you thought? that it takes to much work?..
I do have him as innocent, because that is why i feel he isn't playing. He has no role, and is bored.

lchp: I know this sounds crazy as well, but i think LC is posting less, and acting so different, because he is bored being innocent..JMHO, ..its giving him teh attention, so, he is continuing, .no "fame" in being just another innocent..

ILB: INNOCENT

beth: I believe beth is kinda in the same boat as cool, she will be a stellar pl;ayer in time, but you guys are intimidating, ( myself included ) we really do get a little nasty sometimes, (all of the vets, and i am also including grins ) I think, she is trying, and again, i think she is innocent.

bkw: I don't actually know?.

joan: WTF , ..next time, drink at home! seriously! !!!! INNOCENT DR.

cool: I will atleast give you some credit, whether or not your posts are helpful, you have atleast been a little more involved, .I think he is innocent, I think this, because, he is young, and a novice, and face it guys, you guys can be intimidating, and, I think, he is coming up with his odd ideas, just so he can "try" and help.

grns: You my don, are mafia..

mad:i have him leaning innocent

jdge: i am innocent

mal: well? WTF mal?.. I hope, ..you continue to play, and I really hope you read like ten games, before you do so. P.S. RB is going to kill you and ILB for those **** after death posts, roflmfao!

king: Well, I think, he is playing in true king style, which makes me want to put him mafia, ..as you guys say about me, ..so true also, about him. he is always evil.

Z: glad to have ya back! he seems to have rejuvenated himself with his long hiatus, .I think, he was def one of the players, that keeps the board full, I also have him leaning innocent at this point.


these are my opinions, and observations. not saying everyone i have as mafia is mafia, not saying everyone i have as innocent ( myself excluded) is innocent, ..i do however feel, that i have good reason, for thinking what i am.

JM...I have a life....

I was on until almost 9 last night, and I was on again 9 this morning, I do have to sleep. I do have school also, so my times are restricted.

JM, I've played over 10 games, I know how much work it is. And no, I'm not bored.

Matt

 

[Cory Lover]

I'll give my thoughts on everyone later today, before nightfall. Right now I have school.

Matt

 

[clown-lover]

Here is my thought perhaps Jmax is being made to be a scapegoat. Just a thought remember, I know one person who has slipped by twice now, and thats Grins. SHe was looked at on day 1 and then the whole "Mal is the don" popped up and lots of people myself included let Grins slip by. NOw people were looking hard at Grins again and now LC has "outted himself and she slips by again. In all Honesty my top two picks are Grins and LC. Thoughts anyone?

Actually this is a possibility... I have suspected Lchap from day 1 simply due to his play but with his other posts stating he was "planning for future games" I wasn't ready to commit to lynching him. Today is another matter completely. I very much was wanting to get him actively engaged in the game (and others as well) and with this last twist of events I again have questions.. Z brought up some very good points earlier, but I'm going to still have to keep JM on my list.

So I would have to say my last list is accurate but the order of who I feel is more guilty as of this point has changed.

Also Z.. A lot of LadyG's analysis has been from RB's posts. But has anyone thought.. Thought that he might be rooting for the mafia and screwing with us even harder than normal.. I mean that one post basically also stated that you and KOTD could very well have come into the game as mafia as well.. I'm not putting an credance into that but that was realistically what he was saying when he put it out there that unless it was specifically stated that it couldn't happen anything was fair game. Could he be screwing with us that hard?

 

[Grins]

Now, I included this post for a reason....notice he and Blue are posting about the same time....obviously it is referencing me. Now if he had ever played w/ me before, or was playing anytime around that game...I may of thought not so much of it...but am I really to believe someone who hasn't been in the game is going to think of a game from like 2 months ago??? No, I just don't buy it, someone has told him this, was it Blue..not sure, but he is "recalling" a game that was about 2 months ago...my first innocent PR as the DR. Pap and I fooled everyone making them think I was the detective and protected by the DR. we were getting Mafia lynched well with this method, then I did get hit, with my AD post I wrote it in Blue an said how I looked up to the "blue" sky before closing me eyes forever, or something on those lines...well it was obvious Blue was our last investigation together. And she did end up lynched...believe me I felt the wrath from every player for that. Anyway, I just find it very hard to believe he just "knew" this. Now IMO, Blue may not be the one who said this the only other one I could see it coming from would be Clown...he was amazed apparently that I had pegged him as mafia that game, and the next game I played with him he really tried head games with me...this is where our "non trust" issues of each other in these games came from. I have no idea at this point which I think said this to Cool dude...but I am almost positive it was either Blue or Clown.

Normally I'd ask someone else to back up this bit of history but it looks like King has already done that. Anyone else remember the game so I can check if Cool was in it too?

Also, not saying it's not true, but for somebody on their deathbed, Grins sure can still find the time to post when necessary.

Thanks for your concern Mad, but I'm not dying I have strep. It does suck indeed but not to worry I'm not going to keel over from making my handful of posts yesterday.

lady: good lord, i hate to say it, but I feel she has to be innocent! Shock, I agree.

ogre: I don't know, i felt he was innocent at first, But since nightfall, we haven't seen a whole lot from him. I HAVE HIM AT NEAUTRAL Bigger shock, I agree again.

hook: Well, i hate to say it, because I know things are crazy for him right now, However, I miss my aggressive HN,I have him leaning slightly mafia. I don't have him leaning mafia. I believe his reasons for posting less and while I think his game is off I think it is understandable why.

ice: WELL, i think he is mafia, .I think he defended grins, and logically in my mind, I could see grins choosing him, as one of her minions. This is also why i feel HN could be mafia, i see no issues with Grins choosing him.
If you'd think I'd pick either HN or Ice as a "minion" then you've contradicted your statement that I'm a smart player. I'd have to have gone bat poop crazy (or ahem, JM Crazy :silly to do something so obvious. But back to Ice, while I was seeing what I thought might be signs of him being innocent in day one I do think I became blinded by his not jumping on the train against me. I have him as undecided.

blue: I don't know, She seems to be a little aggressive, but If i remember correctly,she was like that in several games, and was mafia and Innocent, so i don't think its a tell, .however, she is a little higher on my list as well.
She is more than aggressive, she has been called out on using her mod powers previously (and it was confirmed by 2 others) and avoided answering it for a good bit. She also got very defensive and that looks mafia to me.

clown: WTF?..seriously, I am now mafia, ..?..so, ..are you grins other choice then?..
Julz, are you going to suggest that everyone that has said you are mafia is now mafia? Good grief woman, if the town were to vote out everyone that has said either you or I could be mafia it would be a ghost town.

DD: DD where are you?..You are usually much more involved, and haven't really posted anything, your just as bad at being bad, as me, ..I think, she may be mafia.
I disagree and I said why last night.


emo: I don't think emo is mafia, I think, he got bored with the game, ..i think, he started playing because he thought it was cool, and has now decided, as kids are apt to do, that its to much work, to actually pay attention.
I have an 18 year old son and sorry I don't buy this theory. I mean c'mon have you ever seen how much work an 18 year old boy can put into winning Halo3? I have and they make us look like we're not the addicts we are. I think Emo is trying to hide and nothing he has done gives me reason to believe otherwise.

cory: where are you?.. is teh game not fun enough for you?..did you guys decide that its not what you thought? that it takes to much work?..
I do have him as innocent, because that is why i feel he isn't playing. He has no role, and is bored.
Don't agree for the same reason as above. I'm not willing to assume that those being quiet are simply bored.

lchp: I know this sounds crazy as well, but i think LC is posting less, and acting so different, because he is bored being innocent..JMHO, ..its giving him teh attention, so, he is continuing, .no "fame" in being just another innocent..
So in otherwords, you and he are on the same mafia team right?

ILB: INNOCENT

beth: I believe beth is kinda in the same boat as cool, she will be a stellar pl;ayer in time, but you guys are intimidating, ( myself included ) we really do get a little nasty sometimes, (all of the vets, and i am also including grins ) I think, she is trying, and again, i think she is innocent.
She wasn't high on my radar on day one, and I have seen her post about issues that kept her off the thread. I am willing to believe that she is telling the truth about those, but I am not willing to think she is innocent because she "is trying".

bkw: I don't actually know?.
The one thing that I like about BKW's post is what he posts when he posts. I just wish he'd do that a heck of a lot more.

joan: WTF , ..next time, drink at home! seriously! !!!! INNOCENT DR.

cool: I will atleast give you some credit, whether or not your posts are helpful, you have atleast been a little more involved, .I think he is innocent, I think this, because, he is young, and a novice, and face it guys, you guys can be intimidating, and, I think, he is coming up with his odd ideas, just so he can "try" and help.
The info tht LadyG provided earlier makes me even less inclined to believe he is innocent now.

grns: You my don, are mafia.. :-@ I'm sorry did you say something?

mad:i have him leaning innocent
I had him leaning innocent the first day but if I had been a don in this game I'd sure have picked him at least on day 2. He is the master of hiding in plain view.

jdge: i am innocent
Oh, thanks, I was kinda thinking you were mafia but now you have cleared this all up for me. </end sarcasm>

mal: well? WTF mal?.. I hope, ..you continue to play, and I really hope you read like ten games, before you do so. P.S. RB is going to kill you and ILB for those **** after death posts, roflmfao!

king: Well, I think, he is playing in true king style, which makes me want to put him mafia, ..as you guys say about me, ..so true also, about him. he is always evil.
I don't know enough about King to make a call either way right now.

Z: glad to have ya back! he seems to have rejuvenated himself with his long hiatus, .I think, he was def one of the players, that keeps the board full, I also have him leaning innocent at this point.
The only thing I feel confident about on Z right now is saying his Chris Crocker line is the best laugh I've had all day.


these are my opinions, and observations. not saying everyone i have as mafia is mafia, not saying everyone i have as innocent ( myself excluded) is innocent, ..i do however feel, that i have good reason, for thinking what i am.

Although I don't like it when people quote within a message I am doing it here to keep it hopefully easier for people to follow this one post of your's.

your right, i would be, ..which would be "normal for me actually, i am never a large poster, ..I was entertaining myself, ..and serving my own purpose. i can't help it if i have "twisted logic" !

Is LC writing your posts for you now?

WoooHOOO, i am whimsical!

seriously, I almost hate playing these games anymore, Because you all always think i am mafia, and no matter what I do, i will always be mafia, ..I tried questioning something i thought wrong, and basically got railroaded into being a " communicating mafia" because Of ices PARANOID delusions. Lets face it, according to ICE I was defending "my buddy" ogre, then my DON mal, and I was distancing from her, then , when that didn't pan out he immediately switched to the fact that i am hooked to someone else, I believe that he insinuated that it was MAD?..OR bkw, Yet the whole time, he was defending grins, who jumped right behind him, like the pied piper was blowing bob bons out of his pipe. so, if you guys really want to get technical, whether i acted like an idiot or not, ..you have way better suspects than me, ..right in your face, yet, because you are all so **** close minded, and refuse to believe I could be innocent in one game, ..you actually forget to focus on some one who is doing something shady. hence the reason i said to just lynch me, ..at that point we could have afforded to loose me as an innocent, and you guys would have actually looked at other stuff, rather then harping on me having a good time with a stupid situation.

Julz, my love, you got railroaded by nothing other than your own posts. Mal's posts made her look like the don because she was saving your inexplicable behavior in day one.

As for me "playing the pied piper" how about stopping with the inferences and back it up because too often in this game mafia gets away with claiming something happened without any support. If I did something that looks odd I will answer for it. As for whether the town has better suspects than you...sorry but nothing you've done makes me believe I'm wrong about you.

i never said he was mafia, but if they definitely for sure chose one of us last night, or one of us definitely entered the game as mafia, my vote would be on Z. what i am saying as i dont see how he could be proclaimed as innocent just yet, except by his teammates.

Because it could implicate you as well, would you please help me understand how either of you might have entered the game as mafia? Mal said this same thing I thought it improbable then as well.

Again, no one is saying he IS innocent. just that we feel him to be closer to innocent.

Um, who is the we?

Note a few things. Could her reference to grins be a freudian slip? Notice how JMax has implicated both Ice and Hooked as being team mates with Grins.

I loathe to defend anything JM might have said in this game but I think she was referring to how both Ice and HN have been on communicating teams with me in the recent past. I still find it comical that seems to be a big part of why she claims I'm mafia in this game.

I agree, and that was my point day one, I am an innocent, and have no problem, putting myself up there, and being lynched, if it helps the town, If the town wins, I win, regardless, and because of the interactions with me, ..i think, you could learn alot, once you all KNOW i am innocent. i wasn't trying to be mellow dramatic.

The only way you being lynched will help the town is if you're mafia.

If there have been questions asked regarding my mod powers being used in games, I have overlooked them. As was told already, twice, there is no way for anyone to go back and prove that grins edited her post, not even the administration can do that if the post is edited within the first few minutes of being posted.

The direct questions challenging your claim that your mod powers have never been used in a game..were they overlooked intentionally? Or did you innocently miss 3 different people challenging your statement?

KOTD, Im not trying to look innocent to anyone. Im simply telling everyone to go back and look at who they have as there top suspect and the reason why. If you feel that I look the most mafia, lynch me. It will be yours and everyone elses mistake to do so. The reasoning you have, because I dont post as much as everyone feels that I should, as well as my venting my frustrations becuase no matter what I post nor how much or how little I do post, Im pegged as mafia. Perhaps CL knows Im innocnet and feels this is a good way to get a train started on me. I gurantee his vote wouldn't end up on me tho becaue then he would have lynched an innocent.

Lynching another innocent isnt an option.

No Blue, that is not why you look mafia right now.

Here is my thought perhaps Jmax is being made to be a scapegoat. Just a thought remember, I know one person who has slipped by twice now, and thats Grins. SHe was looked at on day 1 and then the whole "Mal is the don" popped up and lots of people myself included let Grins slip by. NOw people were looking hard at Grins again and now LC has "outted himself and she slips by again. In all Honesty my top two picks are Grins and LC. Thoughts anyone?

Beth, Mal is on your keyboard...

That reasoning makes no sense to me. JM and I were both top vote getters in day one. How does what LC has said make me more guilty to you than JM? Unless she is on your team of course...

Gotta agree with you Beth, my top three for a New Mafia team would be LChap, Grins, and cooldude (based on LG's analysis).

Lol, thanks Z, same thing I asked of Beth applies to you now.

After reading the posts today I do think I was on the right track last night with who is mafia (Blue, LC, JM, followed by Emo/Cool/Cory and Beth), I vote to lynch LC.

 

[bethkira2000]

Clown I read, and re-read all those "hints" that Rb posted and to be honest there were so many ways they could be taken, or people he sould hint at in them I gave up. I mean it is possible that he did it on purpose to well mess with us that badly. From what other players who have played more games that he had modded it seems all together likely. I really have no idea what he was trying to say.