Mafia #23 Revenge

[bethkira2000]

subject to change of course

 

[LesbianChap]

LC why did you do this? What was the point?

When have I ever played subtly? Even my first game apparently Grins and HN were going crazy trying to subdue me...apparently it's not in me. I've been a top suspect, and nothing I do seems to stop that, so I've got some information and I'm trying to make the best I can with it...

Here's how it goes tonight:
A) Lynch me, they hit JM...the town loses two innocents and probably the game.
B) Lynch someone else, they hit me...the town knows at least one person is innocent, and have a better chance of lynching an innocent.
C) Lynch JM, they hit me...the town still loses two innocents and probably the game.
D) Lynch JM, they hit someone else...I'm top suspect tomorrow.
E) Lynch me, they hit someone else...JM is clear tomorrow.
F) Lynch someone else, they hit someone else...both me and JM are top suspects.

Those are the scenarios. Personally I'm prefering that B happens, but that'll require Mafia cooperation and since I've posted this, I doubt it'll happen now...so the best I can hope for is E...but I doubt that'll happen either. What will prolly happen is A unless the lynch changes...

 

[ZSandmann]

Five and a half hours till night and 7 unvoted.

 

[Lady G]

While I think its extremely possible emo is mafia and was told to just lay low by his boss I'm willing to see if he UDs tonight. Emo doesn't worry me as much as some of the other mafia do, if he isn't talking he also isn't making cases versus innocents.

Again, I did not pick 3. Those are 3 I thought everyone would agree on. If the players would have said I feel more comfortable with such and such I wouldn't argue it. My vote is where I think it needs to be,others have been all over you and I'm starting to wonder if I've been that blind to it. The 3rd was Blue because of her hiding behind one post and suspect and not looking anywhere else. I know there are/were at the time bigger suspects then Blue but Iincluded her.

I do agree about Cory though. A few posts he has made today seem to be to deflect any thought he could be mafia even though no one was really even looking his way.

Say you don't like us pull your vote and UD( only if you're mafia though)other then that you're still doing a great job of being a mela.

They all sound reasonable but I don't know that it can be limited to 1 person each.

As pointed out earlier Ogre sighs a lot in his posts.

Kewl could also be emo since emos they think they are cool.

CL could be Cory Lover. It was a small c which could be the junior CL. But that doesn't really work with clarification so it could also be LC in reverse. He was also asking rules questions and for clarification.

I'm leaning more towards the LC idea as his play has been anything but helpful to the town.

Yes, Ice I agree that CL could be Clown or Cory, LC...yes he was asking alot of questions also. I still think most likely Grins and sighs is Grins making him sigh with questions. Although..yes Ogre does Sigh and I see your point. As far as "kewl" being Emo...yep I can see that, isn't that the "cool" way to say it?? As far as it being Cooldude, still could be...I have more comments about that which I am adding to my comments to Mad below.

LG, since you asked for input...

With regard to Blue, something seems a little off. In the few games that I've played with Blue she's never been a really heavy poster when either playing mafia or innocent. Her lack of posting and defensiveness surrounding it is becoming more suspect as the game goes on. She's always struck me as pretty intelligent, so I can't figure out (if she's innocent) why she doesn't see how her actions are detrimental to the town.

As far as Clown, I'm kind of liking Clown for reasons other than referring to the color of your AD post. In a couple of posts he has some holey logic, a couple of inconsistencies, and in at least one post I've seen a decent scumtell. I'll post thoughts on that later today, as I don't want it to go unnoticed in the event I should turn up dead tomorrow.

Cool - With regard to Cool mentioning your blue AD post, I think that he actually played that game, so the fact that he'd bring it up doesn't seem all that odd to me. It would be good to see more input from him, as these guys who aren't helping at all could really kill the town.

Grins - Grins looks scummy to me, but now I can't decide if I like she or Ice better for scum. The fact that Ice would seemingly go to such extremes to save her on Day 1 is really odd. REALLY odd, regardless of whether Grins is actually mafia or innocent. Also, not saying it's not true, but for somebody on their deathbed, Grins sure can still find the time to post when necessary.

Thank you for your input, I think you make some good points here! I did go back and find the Mafia game in question..it was 14 and yes he (cool) was in the game, I just didn't remember playing w/ him before now. So, I am going to take my comments about that back...and I am sorry Cool..I just didn't remember you

i don't remember him in that game..not at all..unless i'm thinking of a different one..

Yes, King it is a different game...it wasn't RBs clues, it was a AD post that had everyone upset the game we are talking about and it was a AD post made by me.

Not to be mean LadyG and since I'm already on your list I won't have to worry about being placed there as a revenge for looking at your inconsistancies as well :silly: (btw do you know you do this) I'm just finding it hard to believe that you "just" missed it when you basically were pulling the last people off of who voted for Mal in creating the list. He was the last one on that list.

What me???:silly: You may find it hard to believe, but it is what happened.

 

[Grins]

So Grins do you think LC is mafia? I think his game play stinks this round, I have to say I am sitting here shaking my head, and Yes the Mafia would hit one of there own, Like say LC hit HN last game.

I think he is either mafia or messing with our heads for nothing other than the joy of it and frankly I'd like to see him go for either reason yes.

As for one of the mafia teams hitting one of their own..um Beth the difference in this game is that the each mafia team of 3 (?) knows who they are. LC didn't know who his team was last game.

Sorry LC but I can't see that what you did is in any way helpful for the town, however I think there is someone else too.
I vote to lynch Grins

I'm not surprised after the reasoning you've been tossing around.

 

[LesbianChap]

When have I ever played subtly? Even my first game apparently Grins and HN were going crazy trying to subdue me...apparently it's not in me. I've been a top suspect, and nothing I do seems to stop that, so I've got some information and I'm trying to make the best I can with it...

Here's how it goes tonight:
A) Lynch me, they hit JM...the town loses two innocents and probably the game.
B) Lynch someone else, they hit me...the town knows at least one person is innocent, and have a better chance of lynching an innocent.
C) Lynch JM, they hit me...the town still loses two innocents and probably the game.
D) Lynch JM, they hit someone else...I'm top suspect tomorrow.
E) Lynch me, they hit someone else...JM is clear tomorrow.
F) Lynch someone else, they hit someone else...both me and JM are top suspects.

Those are the scenarios. Personally I'm prefering that B happens, but that'll require Mafia cooperation and since I've posted this, I doubt it'll happen now...so the best I can hope for is E...but I doubt that'll happen either. What will prolly happen is A unless the lynch changes...

Wow...no one wanting to jump on this?

 

[bethkira2000]

That seems to be his game, to trow choas into the mix. He doesn't get anything out of it other than the satisfaction of seeing us scramble. If he is Detective and Mafia then investigations mean nothing to them anymore as the two power roles are known. Since investigations on a member of the opposite Mafia team come back as Innocent.

Grins did you forget this part, I what Z says is true then the Mafia teams are not abe to tell who is who, since investigations come back as innocent.

 

[Grins]

I know this might hurt your ego LC, but some of us are reading posts other than yours. But now that you have mentioned it...yes please explain b to us.

 

[Grins]

Grins did you forget this part, I what Z says is true then the Mafia teams are not abe to tell who is who, since investigations come back as innocent.

No I did not forget that Beth, neither have I forgotten that LC would still be mafia in that case and worthwhile getting out if you believe he is mafia. Nor have I forgotten that mafia is NOT going to hit someone that looks like the town will lynch for themselves.

 

[Dangerdoll]

http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1237957#post1237957

There DD, on that page, I gave my reasons for JM and Grins. Are you skimming?

well, I MIGHT believe that, Cory if the post I had quoted and asked about wasn't all by it's lonely self and directly in response and after night. Nice try though...

Well here are my daily morning thoughts...

Beth – Has gone almost completely silent? Was the first days worth of posting just to get her out of the limelight and make her look innocent? I don’t think I’ve heard anything from her since before day 1 nightfall. – severely questioning

BKW -While I know he is not a large quantity poster I get more concerned every day where I don't see a little bush kicking out of a player. I see him following other players trains of thought but not a lot of analysis out of him.. A little last night about RB's comments but nothing player wise. Also think he would make a great conversion because of his seeming to be able to fly under radar. Again I haven’t heard from him in a long while.. Whats up here? – severely questioning

BlueIz – new melodrama queen. Here, what can I say I simply asked to see her have some more input into the game and I get blasted from here to high heaven that she posts “thoughts” when she has them. As of this update there are well over a thousand posts and I have yet to see more than one thought. – leaning mafia

Cool – I’m still not sure where to put this player. He really hasn’t been helping out the town and what messages he has posted in the thread haven’t done anything for me personally. – leaning mafia

DD - back to unsure.. She has posts that seem to be helping the town, has also used the RL issues card which I'm not denying it happened but I have seen her post from home in the game more frequently.. She has brought up some good points however. No change in my thoughts here. I’m still undecided.

Emo - am wondering where this player is as well.. Last game was posting and now you can't even get him to post in fun. Is he even playing this game? Has a whopping 2 posts in this game and jumps in right before night and places a post. There really isn't anything for me to pick apart in his posting, however behavior from players with this style in the past have pretty much IME been Mafia - leaning stronger mafia simply due to lack of posting

Grins – What can I say..you’ve seem to come out and help the town a little but I am wondering if it is to little to late here. I really am doing a LadyG on this one with you thinking that you could be innocent, but then I go no mafia, then back again.. – leaning mafia

Hooked - I have posted above in a different message thoughts on HN but while he does have RL issues and I do empathize with that is happening at this juncture of his life, I am missing his analsysis. And fair is fair he did kick my bush asking me questions yesterday but in all honesty it is not normal HN play.- questioning and undecided

ICE - I am going back and forth on ICE. There were some questionable interactions and protections going on but at one moment I'm thinking he's helpful and the next I question. I really can't lean him as innocent but he has had some helpful posts... So back to neutral

ILB - Innocent

Joander - Innocent

Judge – Where had the judge been? Yesterday (game day 1) she was all over the place making posts, playing the fool and her answer was so she didn’t get picked. We then see a message that this was her “plan” to not get picked and that she is so happy that she is an innocent this round. Well if she is an innocent where are the helpful innocent posts? I mean she did have time to make all of those worthless posts, why not helpful ones today. She has moved up on my list greatly to the point because of her play that I can say – mafia

KOTD – Undecided..

LadyG – LadyG has come out of the box today and made several significant posts that have really helped me out. As of this point I’m leaning her innocent

LesbianChap – have seen some play from him but again nothing that leads me to believe he is a townie or innocent for that matter. I am torn with him.. But at this point I see no reason to call him innocent so – leaning mafia

Mad - Again hard.. hard to read. Not a lot of posting.. However what posting he has had to this point has seemed helpful. However I’ve also seen this when he was evil. He is so very hard for me to read. – very undecided

Malbri - Innocent

Ogre – undecided, still haven’t see a ton of posting and really don’t have a read on him

Zman – I’m having to lean him more towards the innocent side as of this point but with how good of a player I think he is (if my memory serves me right) he is one to watch - undecided

Why do I think she's innocent? Well let's just say we're not allowed to use it as proof in the thread.

Well because of something else done in this thread again.. I can't afford to make a mistake so I'm going back on my vote AGAIN... You guys could turn me into an alcoholic really easy you know that...

I retract my vote on LesbianChap and vote to Lynch JudgeMax

where'd you make this post? I recall being accused AND found of being Mafia when I had copied and pasted from somewhere else in a previous game...

For some reason RB changed the roles around. I was the detective, now I'm not and only a mere innocent, and I can safely reveal what I knew.

OMG... would that even be allowed??? you have just henched my decision of who I was to vote for today. Yes, I thought Judge was/is acting screwy but what else is new? (sorry Jules).... Grins, sure looks guilty and I hope I don't regret not voting her yet another night, cory and clownie.... a little iffy, you.... you start the game silent, and then enter it with weird posts and then you come out with this. Good Lord... you make it way too difficult NOT to suspect you.

So before I hit the rope tonight, I'm suspecting Blue, Ice, Grins...I think KOTD may have been turned last night. As for the rest, I'm not too sure...We'll never know if RB made a third Mafia team unless I survive, or we lynch Z as well.

Thanks for the list, coming from Mafia, we can still use this....

I think I may have figured some of this out, here's a theory. LChap is the Detective AND Mafia! He hoped by coming out we would not lynch him and the Mafia will not hit him because he is one of them. The problem with that idea is that joander wasn't Mafia and the Doc. and Det. are supposed to communicate, which it seems would have been a disadvantage to jo. It's crazy but it's Bob crazy, so therefore possible.

nice thought, Z...

When have I ever played subtly? Even my first game apparently Grins and HN were going crazy trying to subdue me...apparently it's not in me. I've been a top suspect, and nothing I do seems to stop that, so I've got some information and I'm trying to make the best I can with it...

Here's how it goes tonight:
A) Lynch me, they hit JM...the town loses two innocents and probably the game.
B) Lynch someone else, they hit me...the town knows at least one person is innocent, and have a better chance of lynching an innocent.
C) Lynch JM, they hit me...the town still loses two innocents and probably the game.
D) Lynch JM, they hit someone else...I'm top suspect tomorrow.
E) Lynch me, they hit someone else...JM is clear tomorrow.
F) Lynch someone else, they hit someone else...both me and JM are top suspects.

Those are the scenarios. Personally I'm prefering that B happens, but that'll require Mafia cooperation and since I've posted this, I doubt it'll happen now...so the best I can hope for is E...but I doubt that'll happen either. What will prolly happen is A unless the lynch changes...

and what is this, your ideas for your team? What's wrong, have they stopped talking to you, Mr. Obvious? Need to get your thoughts to them somewhow?

I vote to lynch LChap