Mafia #23 Revenge

Grins said:
DD, and others I snipped the quote not because I suspect her, but I'm not following the quotes given. DD did you mean to post all of these because it looks like some didn't have replies or questions from you and I'm a bit confused trying to follow some of what you're saying.

DD, you have valuable information when you're innocent and I dont want me or anyone else to miss it.

Either:

1. You're an innocent townie and enjoying BEEPing withour minds
2. You're the detective and you've now given mafia two innocents to hit
3. You're mafia and protecting a team member.

Any way I look at it I will not change my vote on you because I think any of the above is reason to vote you out.

DD, not sure if you saw my answer regarding this type of thing yesterday or not but at one time I thought JM might have gave a hint that she was the detective when she posted the following. She has confirmed however that she sent to clue and I have no problem showing why I thought it because of that. I'd hope you would understand why I would not have made it obvious if she had been hinting at it. The thread where I explained this was 1255

Um, if anyone is smoking crack or weed right now ...it sure isn't the name bkw that comes to mind.

Well this is going to defend JM as well but fair is fair...Mal's words were her own last night. I didn't put them into her mouth and neither did JM. It is impossible for innocents other than the Doc/Det to communicate and we now know who the doctor was. So that is out since we now know Mal was just a confused innocent. I'll give her a little slack for that since we are all confused. But LC? I'm not giving him the same kind of slack. And if you're going to insist the scenerios are the same then once again please explain how I could be responsible for what he types? Shoot, last I checked the boy had gone off his rocker and went from voting for Blue to Me. By the time I hit send he'll probably have voted for Joander.

Guess what, this makes me want you out even more. And it isn't because of the vote on me but how obviously you're playing mind games with us all. Put down your crack pipe and review for a moment LC:

1. first you're the detective
2. then you were the first dective but Bob replaced you and you can now reveal who your first investigation was without putting the detective role in jeopardy
3. then you were only saying the 2nd to confuse us because you are still the detective and you didn't want to put the role in jeopardy for the town
4. then you weren't the first detective but rather the second one
5. and then you say the first detective will probably UD tonight...um lets see so no surprise who you are inferring will be the no show tonight so you've also outed them?

not only is that whole flip flopping thing ridiculous for anyone to believe in my mind but then there is this:

1. you see that people start thinking that whomever you don't mention in your "secret knowledge as detective" is thought to be your boss (my name was sure tossed around and I'm still shaking my head over it)
2. so then you decide to have more fun messing with everyone's head to make them start to shift off of me and go to JM or shoot anyone.

What is next LC? Are you going to suggest that Mal is the don?

Thanks for clearing that up.

You're assuming too much based on his last post. I know you're busy but if you catch up on his posts you'll see he has thrown one claim after another. And frankly Mad you're better than that as an innocent.

If you sincerely think I look more mafia than LC does right now, go right ahead.

Do the town a favor and show us who the other 3 mafia might be. There are six right now with 2 teams of 3. Surely more than 3 people look suspicious to you, especially if you're willing to not include LC.

lol, you're so generous Julz.

What? How on earth could you guarantee this sort of thing?

Not going to happen.

UGH, can we block Bob from posting in the thread?

Let me guess LC, you know this because you're now Bala and the player emailed you.
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Ok first I am going to address the first part of your post to LC...you say ANY of those reasons are a reason to vote him off? IMO, the ONLY reason to vote someone off is if they are Mafia, especially at this point in the game. Yes, I do agree he has been very crazy this game. The only thing really keeping from voting him at this point is the fact what he has said IS so crazy...you see I can almost see him with his first PR alone and not sure how to play it. I also agree his going back and forth with his statements are very odd too. His post about the player not wanting to play anymore...has sat in my head now, I could see this....Emo (I am assuming) PM's Rb saying he doesn't want to play...RB not wanting the PR to be lost, gives it to Lchap, Lchap not sure what to do comes on crazy with posts..up to this point really he hadn't been playing much. I could see this bringing him out. Now, this being the first time he was a PR alone he freaks cause votes are going his way, in his own way he tries to send "hints" which we take as completely crazy mafia talk. He freaks more. I can see this really.
I am willing to give it another day, if for no other reason then to see how it all plays out.
Sorry but you saying ANY of those reasons are good to vote him out, really bothers me...why is any reason a good reason to take an innocent...not saying he is, but 2 of your reasons have him as an innocent.

Now the second part I would like to comment on...Yes, Mals words were her words...no one told her what to say and no one made her say it. My point is others jumping on her...yes, she made herself look mafia...but for the mafia members this made it easy for them just go along with everyone else and in turn it deflects away from the one in the group being "outed" at the time. Anyone who voted Mal, could easily say "but she looked mafia to me" b/c of her own actions she made it very easy for the deflection. I hope that made since. I wasn't saying in any way she was being told what to say, I am saying because of what she said...it was easy for other mafia to take the attention away from either you or JM.
 
Hooked Newbie said:
You are freakin killin me. You don't know who it is, but you know who you've been PMing right? Gah! Is this just a way to hopefully back away from your claim? I am REALLY tempted to change my vote, but I still feel this whole fiasco of your's has that as the goal.
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Well let me say this Len...I have not been part of any reason LC has for posting what he has nor have I been privvy to him thinking any of this foolishness. I'm as shocked and peeved at his play as anyone else.

If I'm lying about that may my house burn down while I sleep.
 
Yes, I may have given the Mafia two innocents to hit, but unless one of us gets lynched tonight, at least one of us is going to survive till tomorrow.
 
thru post 1560.....

to lynch....

grins (7) by hook 1161 cory 1188 lchp 1505 lady 1517 beth 1519 mad 1520 ogre 1550

judge (2) by ice 1154 clwn 1324

lchap (6) by zsnd 1335 kotd 1347 blue 1361 grns 1429 DD 1480 bkw 1495

ice (1) by jdge 1503


No votes from emo, cool....

About 90 minutes to go...
 
You know I started quoting posts but omg there are way to many. You guys went overboard on the posting but I see why.

To begin I vote to lynch LC

At 1st I thought well maybe its possible. Many Det have stayed to the sideline trying to collect info. But then I thought but why come out? Him as Det is way more important then saving JMs life.

Then as I read more it became more apparent that this was just more of the mind bending BS you've been pulling. Its all about messing with peoples minds, the hell with the real game.

After I posted the clues and the 2 teams idea I started really thinking about it and thinking maybe I have JM wrong. Wouldn't be the 1st time won't be the last time.

But then you come out and claim DET when it helps no one at all. Then JM goes ballistic. Which moved JM back up but not as far as you.

While I was reading your posts and JMs posts it came to me that you might have be the Det but grabbed by the mafia team. This would be a great way to protect JM.

I think my best option is to lynch you and hope the mafia doesn't hit JM. If you show up as an innocent DET then I know JM is innocent. If you come up mafia Det then JM goes tomorrow.



I really don't know what to think of JM at this time. Maybe I jumped on her to hard but **** if all that going on didn't snowball in my mind. Then she was so defensive it was ridiculous.
 
IceH2O said:
You know I started quoting posts but omg there are way to many. You guys went overboard on the posting but I see why.

To begin I vote to lynch LC

At 1st I thought well maybe its possible. Many Det have stayed to the sideline trying to collect info. But then I thought but why come out? Him as Det is way more important then saving JMs life.

Then as I read more it became more apparent that this was just more of the mind bending BS you've been pulling. Its all about messing with peoples minds, the hell with the real game.

After I posted the clues and the 2 teams idea I started really thinking about it and thinking maybe I have JM wrong. Wouldn't be the 1st time won't be the last time.

But then you come out and claim DET when it helps no one at all. Then JM goes ballistic. Which moved JM back up but not as far as you.

While I was reading your posts and JMs posts it came to me that you might have be the Det but grabbed by the mafia team. This would be a great way to protect JM.

I think my best option is to lynch you and hope the mafia doesn't hit JM. If you show up as an innocent DET then I know JM is innocent. If you come up mafia Det then JM goes tomorrow.



I really don't know what to think of JM at this time. Maybe I jumped on her to hard but **** if all that going on didn't snowball in my mind. Then she was so defensive it was ridiculous.
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If you don't want to retract, i will switch to lc for you...
 
OgreMkV said:
Holy Crap... I think we just got railroaded. Look at what happens near the eleventh hour here.

Why, no one is seriously on him yet... why waste the vote?

Why?

Wait a minute... what's going on here?

What the heck?

Wow?!?!?

All of a sudden, public enemy number one has three followers and with only a little push (by some poor innocent dupe), we could lose the LChap race.


This is the only thing that leads me to believe that Grins may be innocent. This looks SO MUCH like a railroad. To save Lchap or JMax?

Why are LadyG, beth, and Mad following LChap?!??!

What the heck is going on here?

Like we're supposed to believe that!

OK, there are two things happening here (maybe more). Here's what I think is most likely, LChap is the detective for one team and has found an enemy mafia member that (fortunately) is already suspected by several people. Alternately, he or his Don gets their investigation and finds evil Grins.

So when Grins goes down (if she goes down), then LChap is a hero for leading us to her demise. That makes him pretty bullet proof. Alternately, we knock him out and discover that he's something, and pretty much whatever happens, that gives the mafia one more day on us.

I hate the dual mafia teams. Just because someone leads us to mafia, that doesn't mean that they are innocent.

OK, I've got to make a quick decision here. I think I'm going to support the LChap vote. This is (I think) the best way to get information. It looks like a run between him and Grins at this point. With the sudden surge (led by Lchap) against Grins, I think this really points him to being mafia (and his little followers).

My revised mafia list
Mad, LadyG, beth, Grins, LChap and (Ice? JMax?)
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Ogre, I am following no one. For you to say that, means you haven't been reading my posts...do you want to show me where I haven't said Grins was one of my top suspects???

Sorry but this post really makes me wonder about you. You trying to say I am following anyone is just funny as ****.

I have stated I believe that the BS with Mal and Lchap were easy "deflections" from a Mafia memeber...Grins has been and still is my top suspect and I am sticking to that. BTW, LChap wasn't the first to vote Grins either, so he did not "lead" anything.

punk_kid(emo_batsukeman) said:
wow, two innocens is down,
then agian, i've read alot and WAY WAY MORE THAN I THAN I USEUALY READ!
I VOTE TO LYNCH MAL, she've alway been evil to me, i hurt me when i was trying to show her my love for her
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WOW, ummm don't you have to vote for a player that is actually playing???
 
punk_kid(emo_batsukeman) said:
wow, two innocens is down,
then agian, i've read alot and WAY WAY MORE THAN I THAN I USEUALY READ!
I VOTE TO LYNCH MAL, she've alway been evil to me, i hurt me when i was trying to show her my love for her
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heheh, lol i was just kidding, :)
my real vote is I VOTE TO LYNCH LC,
and just incase i retrac my vote ion mal, and vote to lynch Lc
 
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