Mafia #29 Biological Badlands #2

Hey why did you leave Cory off the list? I think if Cat is evil now its because they were the ones vialed. So the mastermind team would be Zig and Cory.
 
...Bala watches as nothing happens....:confused:
 
I'm operating under the belief that the effects on Cat are temporary. His posts seem to elude to that and Rb's done it before so I don't think we can count him on our side.

The vials do 3 things.

(1) of them causes instant death,

(1) of them just causes a person to make a babbling statement

(2) of them will genetically alter a persons DNA. (ie: evil to normal or normal to evil).

The clue after injection says The victim has a completely opposite point of view as to their purpose in life..

(anyone see that this isn't green, that its sea green?)

I take this as being a turn, its not death and its not A babbling statement. The turn isn't temporary.



To whomever got the PM with the visions how about spilling the beans already?
 
The vials do 3 things.

(1) of them causes instant death,

(1) of them just causes a person to make a babbling statement

(2) of them will genetically alter a persons DNA. (ie: evil to normal or normal to evil).

The clue after injection says The victim has a completely opposite point of view as to their purpose in life..

(anyone see that this isn't green, that its sea green?)

I take this as being a turn, its not death and its not A babbling statement. The turn isn't temporary.



To whomever got the PM with the visions how about spilling the beans already?
I agree it is permanent and it is a lw vial not just some mist type thing. HN played in that game, too and as I remember it the words from when we changed dd were similar. Those attempting to pass it off as babbling worry me.

What do you think of a HN/CL/Catfish team, Ice?
 
I agree it is permanent and it is a lw vial not just some mist type thing. HN played in that game, too and as I remember it the words from when we changed dd were similar. Those attempting to pass it off as babbling worry me.

What do you think of a HN/CL/Catfish team, Ice?

Didn't you just jump on me for thinking that Cat was evil because they both voted for Zig?

If it started with 3 ES then I could see a Zig Cory HN team with Cat being switched with the vial to make it a 4 team group. I have no real suspicion of HN but if there is a 4th its him because its not me.

If it started as a 2 team ES then I think its a Zig Cory team and Cat was switched.



but what about little ole me i know the means to the end but will any one trust me or will kill me i refuse the fact that im bad to the core

This quote has me thinking Cat was turned to evil
 
Didn't you just jump on me for thinking that Cat was evil because they both voted for Zig?

If it started with 3 ES then I could see a Zig Cory HN team with Cat being switched with the vial to make it a 4 team group. I have no real suspicion of HN but if there is a 4th its him because its not me.

If it started as a 2 team ES then I think its a Zig Cory team and Cat was switched.





This quote has me thinking Cat was turned to evil
I'm saying it started as 3ES, but I believe Cat is now switched to innocent, prolly by JL because Cat made that comment about being the lw. I noticed on day 2 that all three of them (HN, Cat, CL) started distancing from one another after I made that comment when I answered your post. It was after night 1 and was something to the effect of if Zig is innocent then Cat, CL, and yourself would be suspect.
 
OK, here is what I'm thinking. First lets look at the votes for each night. I've listed anyone that I myself know to have been innocent as of the investigation last night first. The quotes aren't actual quotes, I just use the quote box to help keep the info organized. Votes by unknowns are underlined.

NIGHT ONE​
__________________ INNOCENTS WITH VOTES ON THEM __________________​


JMax 5 John(204) Plant(252) Hook(255) Jpap(260) Grins (266)
Grins 1 Jpap(74) JM(173) ZSand (179)
John 1 LadyG(81)
ZSand 1 Zig (214)
Jpap JL(8)
Plant Ogre (20)
Ogre Hook(123) Ice(144) Cat(176)
LadyG Ice (12) JL(122)




__________________ UNKNOWNS WITH VOTES ON THEM __________________​

Zig 4 Zsand(172) Cory(200) Cat(209) ZSand(210) Hook(228) Ice (259)
Ice 1 Grins(231) Ogre (240)
Cory JL(4)
Hook Zig (163)


NIGHT TWO​
__________________ INNOCENTS WITH VOTES ON THEM __________________​

jpap 3 grns(504) cory(526) hk(529)
grins cat(445)

__________________ UNKNOWNS WITH VOTES ON THEM __________________​

zig 3 ice(366) ice(498) plnt(509) jl66(510)
ice 2 ogre(348) JL55(477) jpap(533)
cory 1 zig(448)
hook 1 cat(551)

Some observations from the above about unknown voting:
  • Hook and Ice don't keep their final vote the same either night
  • Cory, Ice & Cat left a final vote on Zig (night 1)
  • Zig had retracted a vote for Hook (night 1)
  • Hook had retracted a vote for Zig (night 1)
  • Cory & Hook left a final vote on JP (night 2)
  • Ice voted for Zig twice, leaving a final vote on him (night 2)
  • Zig left a final vote on Cat (night 2)
  • Cat left a final vote on Hook (night 2)
  • oh, and on night the vote remained tied between Jpap and Zig from 6:34 - 8:12 when nightfall hit. No one moved to break that tie.
So I'm thinking
  • I don't think Zig is mafia because if he had been, mafia would have broken the tie and not allowed Bala to roll the dice and take out one of their own. Mafia knew that Jpap and Zig were both innocent and they didn't care which went especially knowing they were taking out John in a hit as well.
  • So which of the other unknowns have put a vote on Zig? Night one, Cory/Cat/Ice all left a vote there. Hook had one, but moved to JM. I don't think all 3 that left there vote on one possible lynched innocent would be mafia. In fact, Hook was the only unknown to vote for JM in night one. One of those classic mafia don moves...distance from your team and align with innocents In night two, Ice was the only one to vote for Zig as an unknown.
  • I think Hook is mafia, probably the don or at least pulling the don's strings. So of who is left...who could be with Hook? Well he is really after Cat as we've seen but that could be because he suspects Cat isn't trustworthy anymore. Cory has fingered him as mafia. I could see Ice trusting in Hook for a bit, I sure started to in day two and when I came back after nightfall last night and asked Hooked why I felt as if I'd been manipulated he said he was thinking to ask Ice and I the same thing. Hook has been willing to vote for Ice if Plant and I say so, although he has not gone after him. My guess is that could be to keep Ice not looking at him. Ice has been overly forgiving of Hook it seems. And as a last tidbit, during Day2 when Plant and I talked...purely gut instinct we both trusted Hook less than Ice based on their posts up until then.
and for reference, Plant's earlier thoughts on voting as well
Evils were on both vote candidates each night. This suggests the candidates were both innocent each night. Zig was up for votes both nights. Besides Grins and Hooked, none of the votes for the person opposite Zig were the same. If he were evil his cronies would have tried to help him out more. I believe Zig is the other innocent and Harpo, the lab worker.

Immediately after nightfall of day 1, actually even before "game-on" Cat starts pointing the figer at Zigman and shortly after Cory chimes in. This indicates a concerted effort to get Zig voted off as Zig has claimed.

I believe the original ES were Cat, Cory, Ice. And possibly and probably Hooked as a 4th.
 
miss guided are thoughts turned by the dark side you are you will not learn till you get to the core

Almost as if he is telling us Cory is DrG

if you lean far enough you are bound to hook onto the true core answer of what you seek but you be turned apon before you catch the hook

Possibly a Cory Hook team?

while sitting in my dark little room watching a icey cold wet rain shooting down out my window. a strange black little tweety bird hopped in onto my shoulder. it began singing in my ear "i know who the grim reaper is i know who the grin reaper is he has a gazzing look he has a a gazzing look. i know who the grim reaper is i know who the grim reaper is he has an old hook he has a new hook." as he ziged back out my window he was helped by an a large green slimey monster who acted nice. but was evil at the core.

Now this one is really crazy but he refers to it after he posted it,something about look at this again.

From what I can tell he names Ice Plant Grin? Hook Zig Ogre Cory but it doesn't make sense to me.

i think there for i i know when you count the true number its a size that everyone thought was low. go back and reread an answer that you seek has been stated within this days posts i know everything when all just know most

In this post he says the number was one that everyone though was low. In the next post he refers to a post I made that has the numbers at 6-2

lessons he needs not the way he has laid had lied to you

Punctuation in this one is everything..

lessons he needs..... not the way he has laid.... had lied to you

He isn't saying I lied. he is saying the way my votes have fallen has made it look as if I've lied


You want to let me know if I'm reading these right Cat?

I don't expect you guys to trust me, I think you've made up your minds and it won't be till the game is over that you'll see you were wrong.
 
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