Mafia #33 - Bruce Campbell Vs. Army of Darkness

[Hooked Newbie]

I gotta agree that Rb started it. I can sort of see possible motivations for the initial tie-up, but I think it should have been done quite a bit earlier if it's intention was to gather info for the net few games. In a coin flip game, it would have made more sense. With this format allowing a tie and therefor no lynch only helped the evils. I'm not going to comment too much on bkw because it will only look like an OMGUS thing, but he has entered the radar. I see him as a very good turn choice for last night. I want the EA though so I'm sticking to Jensons.

 

[Rbishop]

but rb, you kinda started it

Okay, I started it....yep, I forced them all to do it. It is my fault. If it is a problem for all of you, lynch me. You have that option.

What you are basically concluding, DD, is that because I made a vote switch, I forced them to change their vote. Pretty assinine thought.

I made them type stuff and hit enter on their keyboard. I am guilty, I guess.

I notice that you are posting more. (no RL issues to explain it away, everyone knows I don't believe in them).

Were you the turn or EA II?

 

[Rbishop]

Well, on second thought, I forced them if the evil didn't like my change, or a Innocent power role was endangered.....

 

[Hooked Newbie]

for the net few games

should have read "for the next few nights". Sorry been a loooong day.

 

[bkw1982]

So, at 7:17 PM, Chill votes Jensons in post 886. That brought the tally to:

4 on Chill - jl rb ogre jens
3 on Jens - hk lady chill
2 on rb - bkw jdge
2 on Lady - dawg plnt
1 on Jdge - pix
1 on dawg - cap

with 2 no voters, DD and Aqua

At 7:21 PM, DD votes Lady:

4 on Chill - jl rb ogre jens
3 on Jens - hk lady chill
2 on rb - bkw jdge
3 on Lady - dawg plnt DD
1 on Jdge - pix
1 on dawg - cap

Chill is the lynch and there is a tie for second between Lady and Jens.

At 8:33 PM, I switch to judge:

3 on Chill - jl ogre jens
3 on Jens - hk lady chill
2 on rb - bkw jdge
3 on Lady - dawg plnt DD
2 on Jdge - pix rb
1 on dawg - cap

A three way tie...no lynch.


You asked why I did it? Mainly because I am not convinced of anyone's guilt as of yet. Lynching an Innocent doesn't really tell us much, in this type of format, IMO.

What tells us more, is the vote changes that occur after a dastardly move, like I made. I did my vote change 30 minutes before nightfall. Nine of the 15 players were watching the thread from then until nightfall. Some were visible to you, all were visible to me. Some responded, and some didn't.

As I expected, it turned into a who can "vote switch" party. The excuses are going to be: "I lost track of the votes", "we were posting at the same time" and other sorted stories that will include "I was helping the Town".

At 8:36 PM, post 901, Lady, the first to bite, laughs at my vote switch. Repeat, she laughs at my vote switch.

At 8:43 PM, post 907, Lady states that there isn't a three way tie, and she doesn't like Chill as the lynch. My vote switch to judge, saved Chill, the person she does not want Lynched.

At 8:43 PM, post 908, Lady announces "Rb switched!", stating she forgot about it. Odd that it has only been 7 minutes since she commented on it.

At 8:50 PM, post 916, Lady votes to lynch me, but fails to retract her previous vote. If the vote switch was good, it would have maintained a three way tie. But it would have been between chill, Rb, Lady vice chill, jens and Lady.

At 8:53 PM, post 921, Lady retracts the improper vote placement on me, and votes Jensons, which is where her vote really is.

At 8:54, post 923, Hooked switches to Lady:

3 on Chill - jl ogre jens
2 on Jens -lady chill
2 on rb - bkw jdge
4 on Lady - dawg plnt DD HK
2 on Jdge - pix rb
1 on dawg - cap

Lady is being lynched.

At 8:55 PM, post 927, dawg switches to rb:

3 on Chill - jl ogre jens
2 on Jens -lady chill
3 on rb - bkw jdge dawg
3 on Lady - plnt DD HK
2 on Jdge - pix rb
1 on dawg - cap

Bringing back a three way tie.

At 8:56 PM, post 929, Hooked switches to Jens:

3 on Chill - jl ogre jens
3 on Jens -lady chill HK
3 on rb - bkw jdge dawg
2 on Lady - plnt DD
2 on Jdge - pix rb
1 on dawg - cap

At 8:57 PM, post 930, Lady switches to me:

3 on Chill - jl ogre jens
2 on Jens -chill HK
4 on rb - bkw jdge dawg lady
2 on Lady - plnt DD
2 on Jdge - pix rb
1 on dawg - cap

Rb is the Lynch! "Oh No, Mr. Bill!"

At 8:59 PM, post 933, Lady switches to Jens:

3 on Chill - jl ogre jens
3 on Jens -chill HK lady
3 on rb - bkw jdge dawg
2 on Lady - plnt DD
2 on Jdge - pix rb
1 on dawg - cap

9:01, Z calls Nightfall.

Lady caused the three-way tie with no lynch...not me back at 8:30.

If you can't track where the votes are, maybe you shouldn't be randomly posting votes, as you do in your posts at times.

I seriously believe their is more at work in all these vote swaps, than the single evil (at that time), trying to arrange things.

nice post RB. first look it seems Rb and Lg are on same team....but Rb is the one who made the fancy post to point out to everyone what happend.

I figure he is either tryin to frame LG, Make himself look good, or just really into digging stuff up this game.

I retract my vote for HN and vote to lynch RB...seems like to much effort form RB IMO.

 

[Dangerdoll]

Okay, I started it....yep, I forced them all to do it. It is my fault. If it is a problem for all of you, lynch me. You have that option.

What you are basically concluding, DD, is that because I made a vote switch, I forced them to change their vote. Pretty assinine thought.

I made them type stuff and hit enter on their keyboard. I am guilty, I guess.

I notice that you are posting more. (no RL issues to explain it away, everyone knows I don't believe in them).

Were you the turn or EA II?

I never said you forced anyone to do anything rb, only that you started all the switches... wow, why so defensive. I am only asking questions for things to make sense to me as I try to decide in my own head who I think is the most like EA...

I wasn't concluding, precluding, including, a thing. To flip off and try pushing an idea that I am calling you guilty of anything is also assinine.

As far as posting more, nice dig and desperate move. Yes, I am home from work, and it does me no worries whether you believe me or not for my RL issues. What is the attack for, worried that I am questioning you or worried that I am questioning you as it is getting close to 9?

 

[Dangerdoll]

might as well get this out of the way too before you go all accusing OMGUS on me... yes, I vote to lynch RB and is subject to change. Reason, I asked simple questions and got aggravated and biting answers.

For other thoughts, I am interested in hearing thoughts form suspects Jensons. I tried searching the thread and am not coming up with anything solid but she seems to have a major suspicion on her head. I do know she is very slight in the thread but cannot find good evidence.

 

[Lady G]

Actually, the more you push that question, the more I see you as the EAII or the turn.

Rb...you are so full of it, really...because I ask you a question that you refused to answer

Actuallt, the vote changers caused the chaos. I just watched.

You actually started it, with the unexplained vote switch bringing the tie so there would be no lynch. I do not buy that you wanted to "start discussions" if that were true, I'm sure you would of done it earlier then that, when pple actually would of had time to "discuss".

 

[Lady G]

Well, I guess all we can do is hope someone switches to either myself, Jensons, or Chill whoever they feel the strongest about, in order for tonight to show us anything?? I don't want to move my vote to Chill and I wont, I realize I was wrong about Cat, but I don't feel it for Chill and I wont switch my vote to where I'm not at all comfortable. Obviously, I'm not going to switch to myself.

Hooked wanted a lynch, so info could be revealed, even though the most likely info would be an Innocent lynched. Then everyone would want to look at what they posted to see if there were any clues as to why. But it would be pretty hard for a single evil to push the lynch through, but possible with the widespread voting.

There are are a couple of Innocents in communication with one another also. That could also be a factor, but if I said more, then I would be slammed for outing them.

You folks will just have to study the voting AND yesterday's posts to decide for yourself.

Actually RB, I wanted a lynch and I was worried about us not learning anything from a tie.

Are you trying to say now you think HN and my self are communicating??

I tell ya, you are sure back and forth. First you start the posts off, pretty much making it look as if I am the evil one, then you post that you think myself and HN are innocent, then you say because I asked about what you learned and why...I may be evil...now you are talking about communicating innocents????

 

[plantling]

this is telling me, rb that you knew exactly what you were doing in the fashion of tying things up then... am I reading that wrong?



and this confirms it. But explain something to me, rb...since it is that you made your vote change so that everyone had time to switch, why when you saw people weren't, didn't you?

I don't know what RB is this round but when he played the vigilante role and communicated with me, forcing a tie and watching how votes changed was one way we got information. And it did get some pple to move around but I am unconvinced that any of the movers are evil. And they moved around until the last minute, DD, so when did you think RB should have switched?