Mafia #47 "Ghost Hunters"

[noodles62]

As far as I know (though I can be forgetful), I only mentioned the pairing after nightfall. Because I didn't think of it til after I went back and analyzed everything from today.

Hmmm....was Lucky on anyone's top suspect list before nightfall? Did he get a vote? Did anyone else mention connections between him & Rich?

Lucky had no votes last night. did anyone suspect him? I do not recall....I mentioned him but not sure if it was before or after nightfall.

 

[jpappy789]

As far as I know (though I can be forgetful), I only mentioned the pairing after nightfall. Because I didn't think of it til after I went back and analyzed everything from today.

Hmmm....was Lucky on anyone's top suspect list before nightfall? Did he get a vote? Did anyone else mention connections between him & Rich?

Ok, then I see what you are getting at here but I'm not sure I'm as strong about the connection as you are.

Lucky didn't seem to be top on anyone's list last night, nor did he receive any votes.

 

[IceH2O]

Did last night suck or what. I don't like the late night fall as I had to go to bed because I had to be at the shop early and didn't know what even transpired till early this morning but didn't have time to post.

I need to read over todays posts but one thing I remember about yesterday is that a couple of people posted that such and such is innocent. I don't like those type of posts as it implies they know something we don't.

I'm going to go back and find out who they were.

I do want to apologize to DD but I had nothing better at the time. It was her or Jpap and I picked wrong. Jpap is still a suspect and might garner my vote depending on what has been said today. I felt as though DD was protecting Jpap yesterday then by voting him was trying to distance. Well now we know she was innocent. So neither was true. DD usually has good instincts as an innocent so I do feel good about a Jpap vote. Just to early to place one without seeing what transpired today.

 

[noodles62]

Did last night suck or what. I don't like the late night fall as I had to go to bed because I had to be at the shop early and didn't know what even transpired till early this morning but didn't have time to post.

I need to read over todays posts but one thing I remember about yesterday is that a couple of people posted that such and such is innocent. I don't like those type of posts as it implies they know something we don't.

I'm going to go back and find out who they were.

I do want to apologize to DD but I had nothing better at the time. It was her or Jpap and I picked wrong. Jpap is still a suspect and might garner my vote depending on what has been said today. I felt as though DD was protecting Jpap yesterday then by voting him was trying to distance. Well now we know she was innocent. So neither was true. DD usually has good instincts as an innocent so I do feel good about a Jpap vote. Just to early to place one without seeing what transpired today.

It must have been instincts cause she did not waiver, not even with an attempt to save herself.

 

[Opicana]

Interesting...and why am I suddenly on your "good" list and "declared innocent"!? Is this some twisted way to get others to think we are a team and you are protecting me, thus getting me to the forefront of everyones attention? Trust me, I do not need any assistance in getting votes. I seem to get plenty every game.

It's not something new....

I totally see a Rich/Lucky team forming here....

Since, there were only 2 bad guys last night...Noods, you are off the hook. Lucky just made the decision pretty easy for me.

Until I see evidence pointing differently, I see Rich & Lucky as my top suspects.

Yeah, there should be 3 now. If this was in response to my post....remember, as of last night during the voting, there was only TWO...the third wouldn't have shown up til after nightfall, correct? So the 3 badguys that are working together now, wouldn't have all been working together last night. Right?

No, I believe there are 3. There should be 3, and didn't LG post one of those crazy messages that implied another soul left?

I dropped Noods off my list because there was only 2 evils as of last night, so the current three would not have been in cahoots.

Noods is still a possibility for the 3rd evil. But you all are....since we have no real information to go on about who the 3rd recruit was....as that would not be indicated in anyway by last nights votes.

There you have it....I agree with Rickets that the two evils would not have voted the same on night one....Since I believe either Rich or Lucky was evil on night one, that means you couldn't have been evil (given my theory) as of night one.

Now, on the other hand, things are a bit more open. But since I am leaning towards Lucky as the new recruit...this means, that you would be off the hook since the 3rd person that is missing from this theory would have to have been one of the initial people, and since I don't think they voted the same....not you. Does that make sense?

So, I am leaning you towards innocent....for now.

If you would like me to change that, I will.

 

[Opicana]

Ok, then I see what you are getting at here but I'm not sure I'm as strong about the connection as you are.

Lucky didn't seem to be top on anyone's list last night, nor did he receive any votes.

Then I would see him as a good potential candidate for a turn.

Oh, I agree the connection isn't strong...but it's all I have so far.

 

[noodles62]

It's not something new....







There you have it....I agree with Rickets that the two evils would not have voted the same on night one....Since I believe either Rich or Lucky was evil on night one, that means you couldn't have been evil (given my theory) as of night one.

Now, on the other hand, things are a bit more open. But since I am leaning towards Lucky as the new recruit...this means, that you would be off the hook since the 3rd person that is missing from this theory would have to have been one of the initial people, and since I don't think they voted the same....not you. Does that make sense?

So, I am leaning you towards innocent....for now.

If you would like me to change that, I will.

Yea, I read your earlier posts but "declaring me innocent" just does not sit right with me. Altho I am flattered it is a definite red flag.

 

[jpappy789]

A case for luckydud...maybe even Noods?

Here he questions Opi's theory about those who voted DD. He says that she is defending those people.

But as previously stated, DD s a veteran, she really doesn't have a differing playing style from what I've seen. And to think that the mafia wouldn't want to take out someone on day one might be true, but any good mafia member knows that there isn't enough information on one suspect to prove him a power role.

And why not fly solo on night one? When no one has any real good info to go on, you tell you team to vote for other people to not cause suspicion.

And just because JL is a contributor (I'll give him that) doesn't mean he has good intentions. I voted him not because he was a noncontributor, but because I didn't like his actions. Which makes you accusations of me Noods and Rich quite hypocrytical.

From where I stand, it looks to me like you are trying to defend the people who voted DD out of the picture. Whether your the ring leader, an accomplice, or an innocent who had the misfortune of riding the troubled soul train to hell, there's only one way to find out.

I vote to take the soul of Opi

Opi responds clearly saying that she didn't state that she thought that all those people were all innocents.

What? I have no idea what you are talking about here...honestly, I am not even sure it applies to what I said.



I agree his intentions are not necessarily good, and I am not saying he is innocent because he is a contributor...in fact, I am not even saying he is innocent...just no longer one of my top suspects...perhaps he fell from 3 to 4. I was saying that, if I were a bad guy...he is one I would want to take out early, not DD.




So? It looks to me like you are trying to defend the people who voted for JL. I am NOT declaring anyone innocent...Everyone is still a suspect in my book, because let's face it, this particular style of game makes things changing constantly. No one is innocent...until they are proven so by death. I am just eliminating people from my "top suspects" list....

Why are you and Rich so jumpy? As I said in my previous post, "Here's my current thinking...but I am totally open to suggestions..."....clearly I'm not 100% about this theory, but I have no other alternatives. I've asked for input. But instead of providing it, you use it as an excuse to point the finger at me.

I totally see a Rich/Lucky team forming here....

Since, there were only 2 bad guys last night...Noods, you are off the hook. Lucky just made the decision pretty easy for me.

Until I see evidence pointing differently, I see Rich & Lucky as my top suspects.

Lucky responds taking Opis theory completely the wrong way.

On the JL subject. But you if you were evil ofcourse wouldn't want to take out the person who could be also evil, or the person that would be drawing attention away from yourself.

I am not trying to defend anyone, atleast not any more than you are. I have no feelings about Rich, just feel that with the point you made about JL is pretty convincing.

For people who fell behind.
1. Opi said that the mafia wouldn't want to vote for JL, because he is contributor.
2. But if JL was one of the mafia then ofcourse the fellow mafia (opi) would try to defend them as she is doing now.
3. If JL was not mafia, then as stated by Opi, the mafia (her) would not want to vote for her because they draw attention to themselves.

Either scenario fits what opi said.

Opi catches his mistake, or maybe it wasn't a mistake...

I'm so confused.

I said the Mafia would want to vote for JL...because he likes to ask questions.

Lucky says he misread her theory...

Sorry Opi, I missread your post.

Now Noodles joins in and questions why Opi is declaring those who voted for DD as innocent. Keep in mind that Opi has already said she didn't think that...

I take offense to that! Sheesh! One little melt down and your "labeled for life"

Seriously, I do not agree with Opi's theory that all that voted on DD are considered innocent. That is the perfect way for the mafia to hide. I am sure that at least one of the votes on her was an evil...

I am also really starting to feel uncomfortable about Fire. That late last minute vote on DD along with the fact that even tho on maternity leave is still pretty quiet...definitely someone worth watching.
I still am not feeling cozy about Opi or Lucky..which one tops the list? Not sure yet, altho Opi throwing all the DD voters as Innocents sends up a big red flag; perfect way to hide a team mate.

Jpappy, altho I have small suspicions about you I feel you are leaning more innocent. I know DD was intent on keeping her vote on you but being night one, she would not have had any "info" to seal her suspicions.

more after i read some more......

Opi responds again.

I repeat, I in no way gave them innocence. They are all still suspects in my book...The only person I have declared innocent (for now) is you, Noods.

I just threw them off my immediate suspects list. However, I completely agree with the theory that one of them is an evil who was just following the crowd, that makes sense. I just don't think any of the people who really pushed for DD are evil....someone who saw that it would be easy to tack on a vote and follow along since it looked like DD was doomed anyway, is acceptable, imo.

Lucky jumps in going after Opi for a second time. Again, she already explained to Lucky that she didn't say that all those people were innocent to her...(quotes within a post)

I beg to differ

Sorry this is what I tried to do last post. Opi you say that you din't give them innocents, but your own posts say otherwise.

For at least the third time, Opi says what she has already said

Well, if that's the way you see it, I can't change your mind.

To me, taking folks out of my pool of top suspects, just means I am not concerned about them at the moment, and not considering them for an immediate vote. You need to eliminate suspects in order to come to any kind of conclusions before you place a vote. To me, everyone is still a suspect until I declare them as innocent. I never once (as you can see in that quote you posted) said that these people are "innocent" or as "leaning innocent". :headshake2:

Furthermore, I have adapted my theory...as I am willing to listen to others and change, for I openly admit I do not know....(hence why these are all called theories, people). And I agree (as I have said) that it was silly to throw out all the DD votes...a follower may have been in the pack. My theory had a flaw, but I am comfortable with where it is going.

You seem a bit more confident than I. Hmmm....

All lucky responds with is this...no wavering at all.

My vote is not set in stone, but at this point I feel it is the best from what I have deciphered.

 

[noodles62]

Whoa, Jpap! defending a team mate here?

 

[jpappy789]

With that, I vote to take the soul of Luckydud

I'm also interested in responses by Fire and also ogre based on earlier posts today/last night.