Mafia 50/50 The play..back to Basics..almost

I'm here now and will begin reading through, er..... wow, that's a lot of pages! Haha.

Looks like someone already wants to lynch me again. That's a nice welcome back to the thread. ;)

Will post more once I find out what everyone has had to say today.
 
I do find it very weird for some people to be jumping all over CJ and voting for him this early. Everyone is quickly jumping on the bandwagon. Why????
What's wrong with early voting? It sure got cj to be a little more forthcoming, didn't it? Early voting can be very useful in applying pressure and seeing what comes out.



Apperantly (see I can't spell either) Rich and Wing nut think it is a hang worthy offense. I think they are just trying to figure out some reason to hang someone who won't probably be around much to defend themselves. Easy prey. I find that VERY suspect.
Nobody's voted him off yet, but you think he'll be easy prey as he won't be around much to defend himself? What about the fact that he won't be around to hunt for mafia, either? That doesn't bother you? How do you have such a good feeling about cj's innocence based on what he's done this game?



Suspicious because of misspelling?? Is that all we have to go on?? That is a pretty scary slippery slope to start lynching people because they misspell things.
Nobody is trying to lynch cj because he misspells things...IT'S BECAUSE HE LIED. DD questioned his font and he claimed that he cut and pasted into the thread because he wanted to avoid spelling errors, but there were still spelling errors. When questioned, it appears that only certain spelling errors apply. WTH is that about?

Let's look at cj's post, and I'll explain to you what I see.
Well just finish up reading from almost the beginning I still think my 1st choice is Kashta especially since she has gone so quite, would like to hear what she thinks after last nights mess. I have a few other people I want to look at a little more will gather my thoughts and post what I think when I get out of work before I finish packing. Lol and I am not trying to rub my trip into anyone’s face :evil_lol: and i will not forget to vote dont want to hurt the town

Firstly, it's been established that the post was cut and pasted. So cj apparently typed the post in Word, then individually spell-checked only his favorite misspelled words. After making corrections, he cut and pasted the text into the thread, but before submitting the post he also then added a smiley. Whew! That's an awful lot of work for a post with no real substance to it.

Based on the content of the post, I doubt that anyone had to feed the post to him, but why is cj being so careful about what he posts? If someone makes a long content-laden post, I could see doing it in another progam, then pasting it in, but there's really nothing to this post. It doesn't make sense to do what he did. It seems quite possible that he's interested in blending in with the crowd (which is what mafia tries to do), trying to be sure that he doesn't make too many waves with anyone. Why else toil over this seemingly ordinary post, as he's done?



Not defending CJ at all. Just pointing out people have jumped all over him for typos. I feel like people are just grasping at straws now. Is it suspect that he changed fonts and all. Maybe yes. Is it worthy to jump so fast into lynching him, no.
Once again, it's not a typo. IMO cj's:

1. Done very little hunting for mafia this game
2. Tried to be overly careful in what he posts
3. Been untruthful about his reason for cutting and pasting (as there were still misspellings in his post)
4. Gotten very active (and available) when it came time to save his own skin

A little more than just a typo, isn't it?
 
This will be backtracking a bit after browsing through from where I left off, so bear with me. I'll go through everything again to pull out other questions I might have, share my impressions... and so on. So if I've missed something I should comment about or that I'm not answering yet.. just say so if I don't get to it soon enough myself.

Just a sample of your post that caught my attention.

We lost one player because three people voted to lynch them. There were two players with three votes and a coin toss decided it. It was a coin toss that caused Dawgs death, if you wanted to save dawg, you could have switched. Any of us could have. I didn't think either were mafia and really didn't have a stronger canidate either. Day one can be like that.

Yes, you're right. Of the 12 votes that we cast, half of them (6 votes) were split between two people... and a coin toss (the fates) made the decision for us. That turned out to be a disaster because not only did we lose an innocent that we need to keep, we also missed out on one of the few opportunities we get to take out a mafia member. The remaining half of our votes were scattered equally between other players. I know the first day is still quite random... but jeez. Even with fairly random votes being cast, I hoped we'd have better luck than that.

As for me switching my vote? No, I didn't even consider it. First of all, I didn't know Dawg was innocent until after Bala swooped in. If you remember, I did suspect he was mafia... because he played along so much, following everyone else's opinions without offering any of his own. You voted to lynch Rich and he agreed... then DD, noodles, and Blueiz came after me and he joined in with them. I posted those impressions a full day in advance before we had to finalize our votes to see how he would respond to that. But he didn't address any of it. As we know now, it turned out he was innocent all along and I had misread him. But I didn't know that yet when our votes were finalized.

Plus at that time, I already had 2 votes against me... just one more vote away from being in the same boat Blueiz and DirtyDawg were in on that coin toss. For me to drop one suspect and switch my vote to another person I also suspected was mafia without something real substantial to go on would likely have turned a majority of townspeople against me and taken me right out of the game. While I'm all for eliminating the bad guys, I'm not rash or arbitrary... and I'm certainly not self-destructive.

Another factor to keep in mind was I already had a vote placed against Zigman... largely for the exact same reason. I felt Zig was hiding out and trying to slip by unnoticed... which to me smells of mafia. Zig had actually made several posts to the thread and not one of them amounted to anything of any substance. This made me as equally suspicious of Zig as I was of Dawg at the time. That wasn't a lot to go on, of course.. but it's better than making random choices.

I am not sure who these "very convincing players" are. The players voting for Dawg were rich, noods and blue. I don't really consider any of them as very convincing players. This post bothers me as you seem to want to create some sort of fear about being misled.

That statement didn't have anything to with Dawg specifically. I didn't question Rich's vote or Noodles' vote against Dawg.. then Blueiz changed hers to save herself just before darkfall. What I meant by how convincing players are was in reference to all the debate and finger-pointing that takes place from everybody. The people who've played mafia games are very good at twisting things around and coming up with theories and accusation that seem legit but aren't at all. Plus, those here who ARE mafia members have to lie about it. Without knowing a lot of personalities behind our screen names or how certain people present themselves in comparison to previous games they played... I miss out on a lot of undercurrents and subtleties the more experienced game players can spot a mile away.

So no, I'm not trying to create fear for anyone... but I do encourage caution and to take EVERYTHING that's said with a grain of salt. Not just look at the claims and accusations on the surface. Over time, this gets easier because we'll all get to see instances where someone says one thing but then does the opposite.

So who misled who? You need to correct more than just this one line!

Another generality, I guess. Everyone who took part in the discussion up to then misled all of us in one way or another. Not to a very great extent juding from how evenly distributed our voting pattern turned out to be.... but enough that a majority of people voting didn't agree to lynch a specific mafia member.
 
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