Holy crap, Madcrawdad, give it a rest. You're working real hard to build a case against me to the exclusion of anyone else. Is that supposed to be pro-town? Not only that but you're harping over the same points you tried so hard to push yesterday that you're repeating yourself with all this "stuff" today. Several other people have already considered the arguments you've raised already and weren't convinced by them at the time. Rehashing all of this one more time doesn't make it true just because you want people to believe it is.
I'm not excluding anyone...I just like you the best. As far as several people considering arguments and not being convinced, there's at least several scum playing the game, and if I'm right about you being scum, I'd expect at least several non-believers.
It "appears" that I received a PM because (1) jpappy made that suggestion when he was speculating about my comment to Red Severum back on Page 1. I was fishing around for an explanation for what was going through Red's mind that he would feel compelled to lynch someone already with his first post at the very start of the game. At the time, he disguised that as a joke (possibly) and I'd laughed it off. To be honest, I'm still somewhat bewildered by Red every single time he posts something in these games because at least half the time I can't figure out what his reasons are. Then when he explains them, it sounds even more confusing (to me). (2) Ever since then, this notion that Kashta must have a power role has been raised by others again and again. And it's that repetition and your persistence in pushing this on everyone that has blown this way out of proportion. Do they focus on my answer to that question? No.. certain people skip right over the fact that it's been asked and answered already. And you keep redirecting their focus right back.
Why did I post early? Because I saw the new thread was finally created and I thought the game was on.
I'll admit that there's no guarantee you received a PM, although there might be a higher likelihood of it based on when you posted.
TRS is the most inconsistent player I have seen (which amounts to this game and the last) and his arbitrary votes, his flippant responses, and botched vote retractions (which may be deliberate at this point since he kept doing that in the last game too) just annoys the crap out of me. Yes I have suggested that he might be scummy because people who do things for no reason are often hiding something.
Just speculating about TRS's hidden motives? Please. You were all over the kid calling him scum...you weren't defending yourself against him, you were deflecting attention off of you.
As you said, TRS is the most inconsistent player you have ever seen...and he was town last game. You and I (as scum) were able to easily exploit that fact. You were able to find out firsthand that his inexperience makes him an easy target for diversion, yet you chose to go after him from the get-go? A more pro-town position, based on your experience with TRS, would have definitely been to watch him a little bit more before yelling, 'Scum...right here!'
But it's not like I'm the only person who speculates about players having a hidden motive. According to JL's instructions, most of the town is mafia.
Yes...but the mafia are the good guys this time around.
Mad, if someone casts suspicion on me (or someone else) from the beginning who didn't even wait long enough for me to do something or say something that gives them a plausible reason, of course I'm going to point that out and wonder why. Red threw a stupid vote at me and I laughed. I didn't retaliate by voting back against him. And I'm not the only one here who has decided that his playing style is careless, erratic, and possibly suspicious.
See my point above. You didn't accuse TRS of being suspicious...you yelled 'Scum...right here!' If you were a townie, not a very prudent thing to do based on your knowledge of his inconsistent play style.
The type of interaction I saw in the last game (particularly between Noodles and Blueiz from the beginning of Day #1) was totally confontrational and aggressive. That was a very black and white 50/50 format where the players were either totally innocent or pure scum. So that's what expected would be the case here too. But in this game (with completely different dynamics and overly complicated rules/variables) the bantering and provoking that went on last time isn't here at all. This has been the full extent of my mafia game experience and I can only learn these differences as I encounter them for the first time.
Sure....whatever :headshake2:
I was expecting yesterday to be back on by around 10 am.. but my day didn't go as I had planned. It was late afternoon already by the time I got here. I had already answered the questions posed about my early post and I'd even looked up and explained the timeline of all that late the night before.... I thought those suspicions lodged against me would have blown over already and I started reading from where I'd left off 10 pages or so ahead of the current time. The more I read, the more unbelievable that "let's all agree to lynch Kashta" train had become. You guys had spent the whole day going over the same thing about me all day long. By Noon my time yesterday you practically had me strung up, dead, and buried already. And the further I read, the more votes I found had been cast against me. How was I supposed to get through all that to address those issues again fast enough for people to see that I'm not in the scum/mucs role you and TRS had so firmly placed me in? I didn't know who I was going to vote against either. I didn't know if Red was scummy enough to vote for from what little we had to go on the night before or I would've voted for him before I left. While I gave him a hard time and raised some suspicions against him... that wasn't the same thing. I was going to wait and see what else would develop the next day. You were relentless in your drive to lynch me all along and you were right there to jump on anyone else who disagreed with you about me. As I got through a fast scan of the thread, I saw more posts and more votes coming through. I went back again to check out Zigman along with several others. I realized I was in a position to change the outcome of the vote standing and I tried to find other clues, other suspects, and other connections between players to decide if he was a good choice to vote for. That seemed to be the case, so that's what I did... as I've said.
Pretty sure that TRS had nothing to do with the pressure on you...he happened to cast an early random vote for you and ended up sticking around. Yet he's the one you went after to discredit the hardest. Hmm..an easier target, perhaps?
This statement that I've made is true.
"If I'd received a PM and was collaborating and communicating with other players I would have gone off to collaborate and communicate, not post in the thread."
Now that I do know how communicating players collaborate in this game AND I've seen that most players take their time to post anything at all at the beginning of the first day... had I got a power role assignment this time I would have held off and made contact with my teammates before posting or paying much attention to the meaningless introductory posts that are made. This time it's a different game and I already know how slowly these things get going on the first day. Had I got a PM, I might still have made that same "woo hoo" nonsense post within the first 3 minutes... but then I would have shifted my focus right away on whatever it was I needed to do based on the role I got. I didn't get a PM before the start or afterward. So I sat here and followed this thread to see Red's first post voting to lynch me... to reply in a lighthearted way to brush that off... and without needing to contact anyone or figure out some new power role dynamic for this one.
C'mon. Saying that you'd have to meet with your teammates before playing the game is absurd. As you learned last game, it's generally every man for themselves, anyway, so there's absolutely no reason you'd have to wait to chat with your team....Nice try at an explanation, but it doesn't make sense as there's no reason for it.
That's not an untruth at all, Mad. Red made that first post and I laughed. My initial response at that time was lighthearted. It was no big deal at the time and I certainly didn't retaliate or label him as scummy because of it. Then he replied back to say yea, I knew he's just kidding around.
Had this issue stayed as it was then, I would have blown it off and gone on to other things. The rest came later after you jumped on that exchange between me and Red to make something more of it than it was at the time. Red himself has since done his own revision after the fact.
First Red voted to lynch me and said he was cracking a joke and he brought up the last game in the process. Then he said he wants to "unvote" me and vote for Coler. That's something else Red did in the last game too... he voted for someone early then retracted his vote wrong so that it wouldn't count. When someone else called him on that, he merely shrugged it off and left it unchanged. This really is odd behavior because he's done this again now in this game. And he clearly know already (from previous experience) that a switched vote doesn't count if it's not phrased exactly the way it says in the instructions.
Then a day later Red changed his tune about this from the previous night. Red later claimed his early vote on me wasn't a joke after all as he had claimed it was before. The "revised" reason he gave then was saying he did it deliberately to "get people to open their eyes to my scummy playing." So which version of Red's explanation are we to believe? And what was so "scummy" about me posting a meaningless "woo hoo" message prematurely?
Red has clearly contradicted himself. It can't have been "just a joke" at the time if it was actually an intentional stunt to "open everyone's eyes."
See my point above about TRS's inconsistent play style.
By midnight there, you mean nightfall.
There's no backtracking necessary. I placed my vote as I did to remove the noose that you (and Red) had so firmly placed around my neck. There was no reason to deny it and I came out and I told people so. I didn't have time to get into the discussion points for and against all my other options typed out at the same time. But I'd decided based on skimming through the day's events a few times in the time I had left before nightfall that Zigman looked like the most likely player for me to take out of the game without harming the count total of mafia/wiseguy/citizen versus the rebel team.
1. Knowing I'm innocent I knew the worst I could do was trade one loss (me) for another loss (Zigman) if it turned out I was wrong and we were both innocent citizens for the town. So my vote change would have been a wash.
2. Had Zigman turned out to be a rebel (which I and a few others had thought likely)... then my last-minute vote to lynch him would made a better difference in the total count against the rebels.
I thought it through and did the best I could.
Once again, you give TRS too much credit for tightening the noose on your neck. Ice and BKW would have been much more responsible for any pressure coming your way than TRS.
Convenient, though, that Zig had become one of your suspects even though you never got a chance to mention it in the thread. And even more interesting that with him as one of your new suspects, you still phrased your vote as simply 'to save yourself.' Saving yourself must've been more in the forefront of you mind than lynching scum.
