Mafia 54:Vampires Return (The Play)

dirtydawg10 said:
You know JL...the more I look the more I think the vamps had a horrible night last night. I think you were right about JPap and that he was the LV. Why else would Kash and Rich try to blatantly save him? Rich was willing to take himself out to save JPap. I think they switched the LV role last night and that probably the 4th more quiet vamp is now the LV. Or Kash is now the LV. I would bet my life that Rich (if he is a vamp) is not the LV.
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OgreMkV said:
That's not a bad thought right there.

I also wonder about Lani's voting pattern change... hmm... This really makes me wonder who got the note that Ice mentioned. Lani changed his mind to someone that he had never considered before and said he would go back to Zaffy...
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I completely agree actually - that is certainly what I would do.
 
dirtydawg10 said:
You know JL...the more I look the more I think the vamps had a horrible night last night. I think you were right about JPap and that he was the LV. Why else would Kash and Rich try to blatantly save him? Rich was willing to take himself out to save JPap. I think they switched the LV role last night and that probably the 4th more quiet vamp is now the LV. Or Kash is now the LV. I would bet my life that Rich (if he is a vamp) is not the LV.
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i agree with this, to an extent. both were prime suspects for last night's stake and it is essential that the LV survive, so i do think that the newest recruit would be the LV, or at least a quieter one. that said, i do think there is something going on with Rich behind the scenes, as he only very reluctantly voted for pappy and then quickly switched to RB, a known innocent.

Coler followed Rich's lead for a bit, and seemed to have alot of confidence in what Rich was doing.
 
Since I am high on the suspect list and from my play last night I can see why I thought i should drop by. I will be gone most of the day.

Kash does look bad but why at the end did she seem to want Coler to pull off me presumably on to Jpap. Just a hole in the threoy I saw amd may not mean a thing.

I have to assume JL is on our side as he was the lead push to get Jpap. Of course it could have been a ploy but offly early to sacrifice a team mate.

Dawg worries me strange voting behavior almost like he did not want to be on the lynch victim at all.

Zsand was very busy yesterday throwing stuff around and will need looked at.

Coler looks ok to me but he is hard for me to read. I think his vote switch to Jm was just to see what I would do or he was having fun at my expense.

Ogre seems mister mellow makes me wonder if he has a different agenda.

Jm is still a prime suspect to me. I think he will be until the end.

The quiet folks probably need looked at but how do you do that.
 
And Day 1 for reference:

1 JL - Ogre(24) Coler(217)
4 DD - Jpap(29) Kash(112) Wycco(155) Zaffy(222)
1 Zsand - Kash(35) RB(75)
3 Kash - JL(37) Rocker(60) Zsand(72) DD(99) Noodles(156)
1 Jpap - Zaffy(42) Rocker(148)
3 Zaffy- Lani(47) Rich(51) Ogre(139)
2 Wycco - PD(50)Jm(54)
1 Dawg - Annie(66)
0 Annie - Noods(71)
1 Rocker - Zsand (159)
1 Noods- Dawg(183)

UD: Phoenix
Stake: DD


Day 2

1 - Zaffy - Noods(230) ZSand(235) Kash(242) JL(267) Lani(330) Noods(334) Ogre(373)
0 - Coler - Jpap(246) Dawg(263)
0 - Kash - JL(247) Annie(275)
0 - JL - Wycco(307)
1 - RB - Coler(318) Jpap(479) Rich(492) Rich(591)
0 - Dawg - Rich(325)
5 - Jpap - Noods(400) RB(402) Zaffy(438) JL(502) ZSand(518) Kash(536) Coler(458)
0 - JM - Ogre(412)
8 - Noodles - Rocker(416) RB(444) Ogre(457) JM(469) Wycco(477) Jpap(503) Rich(531) Dawg(541) Annie(567)
1 - Wycco - Paperdragon(474)
1 - Rich - Coler(458)

Stake: Noods


Day 3

Rich-6- Wycco,Jpap,Zaffy,Zsand,Coler,Kash
Zaffy-1- Lani
Jpap-6- Ogre,JL,RB,Jm,Rocker,Annie
Coler-1- Paper
RB-2- Dawg,Rich

Vamp Kill; Rb
Stake: Jpap

Jpap, our only known Vamp, voted for DD day one, Coler Day 2 and Rich day 3. I think Jpap was an original vamp or the first turn. The first day's vote remains almost random for all parties, so he took a shot at DD and found some support from others. Then he followed the crowd onto noods and tried to save himself on Rich.

Now, Coler was on Rich day 2 and 3, so if Coler was a turn, then Rich is probably innocent.

Kash, on DD day 1, then Jpap on day 2, then Rich on Day 3. So, she might have been a turn if Rich is innocent. She though Jpap was innocent (vociferously), yet voted him on Day 2.

Of course, the exact same could be said of Zsand, he did exactly the same thing as Kash on days 2 and 3. But he voted Kash on Day 1... so, if they are both vamps, then one was turned later rather than sooner.

Wycco, was also on DD, then on John and then on Rich. I'm real curious as to where his vote will go today.

Zaffy, also on DD, joined everyone on noods, and on Rich.

So if Coler is a vamp, then my list of vamps is pretty much going to come from those on Rich on Day 3. If Rich is (somehow) found to be a vamp today, then I'll have to start over. So I'll stick with Rich for now. But Coler would be my next choice for informational purposes.

John, voted for Kash two days and then on Jpap. So, pending kash's position, kind of determines John's. I can see if, Kash is a vamp, then John could have been the night two turn.

I've got some good ideas on informational stakes right now, but not a whole lot of real vampire choices right now.
 
For Dawg -

Kashta said:
I don't know which way to go so based on the current vote standings and how this was single-handedly orchestrated by Rbishop. So I'll do what I can to slow things down and even things up for the time being. We have about 5 hours now to get more information or react to whatever else happens.

This is the key to all of this --> Bishop implicated Jpappy at first but used that to set Noodles up instead.

If Bishop is innocent and onto something - He's already drawn enough attention to this fact to get himself turned. As I see it after today, an innocent Rbishop wouldn't stay one for very long now... so he's a loss to the village side after today. If the town doesn't kill him for leading us the wrong way, the vampires will descend to set him against us after this.

Rbishop.. if you have any real explanation for what you did, you might as well get that out in the open real fast. I think if you are innocent and you don't do this, you're toast now either way and so are we to some extent... no matter who gets staked tonight or whether they turn up villager or vampire.

If Bishop is evil and Noodles is innocent - Bishop has used something of a power play to liven things up. We follow and kill a fellow villager (as the votes stand right now). The best I can think of to do with my vote is to even things up. Jpappy could be innocent too.. or vampire. So a clear choice between Noods and Pappy is hard to determine and we may get screwed either way in this. For now, all I can come up with is to put mine where it goes against what Bishop is doing and keep watching for further developments before nightfall.

If Bishop is evil and Noodles is evil - I'm having a hard time now seeing them stacking so many votes against her at this point. Unless multiple names voting her now are also vampires (possible but not likely) and it's planned for Bishop and the rest switch off Noodles over the next few hours.. they don't have control over Noodles' fate. This could also be planned to sacrifice Noodles on purpose.... thus distancing Bishop from his vampire status too. I don't see that being the case either. If we trusted him today for whatever reason.. we still wouldn't be able to tomorrow.

I vote to stick a stake into Jpappy

.... to even this up and counter whatever this is that Rbishop started today. Subject to change.. and all the other usual disclaimers.

Now.. to see what else has posted in the time it's taken me to think this through and get it typed out.
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dirtydawg10 said:
You know JL...the more I look the more I think the vamps had a horrible night last night. I think you were right about JPap and that he was the LV. Why else would Kash and Rich try to blatantly save him? Rich was willing to take himself out to save JPap. I think they switched the LV role last night and that probably the 4th more quiet vamp is now the LV. Or Kash is now the LV. I would bet my life that Rich (if he is a vamp) is not the LV.
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I think jpap was the LV and switched. There is no way that Rich is the LV. He may be a vampire or he might have thought jpap was innocent. So if he was not a vamp, the vamps will most likely attempt to turn him.
 
Maybe I expect Kash to be a stronger player than she really is.

I just can't see a vampire putting it out there like she has. Maybe she was recruited by jpap and then given the LV.

That is the only way it makes any sense.

She also could be the seer and investigated jpap. If the vampires thought that she was the seer, they would have turned her. I could see jpap wanting Kash on his team.
 
Interesting. Very interesting. Looking at the stats, dawg has consistently voted for people that turned up innocent. That seems pretty odd to me.
 
paperdragon said:
Interesting. Very interesting. Looking at the stats, dawg has consistently voted for people that turned up innocent. That seems pretty odd to me.
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Did you notice I was not the only one who suspected Noods?

I also changed my vote off of Rich last night putting JPap in the lead for the lynch. Does putting a vamp in the lead for lynch seem scummy? It was Kash and Rich who attempted to save JPap.
 
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