Mafia 54:Vampires Return (The Play)

[rocker92]

Here's a reason why John would do just about anything against his own mafia or vampire teammate.

Message #419 from our dead innocent's board last game. John's own words will prove he'll stop at nothing to manipulate the town.



Wycco and Rocker both have access to that message board. So Rocker can validate the source.

John also turned on FireDancer in the game before that one who was his mafia teammate at the time.

that qoute from JL is now CONFRIMED

 

[ZSandmann]

I vote to stake JL over and over again!

Hi everyone, my name is Sandy and I suck at being a Villager. But seriously, we had some wicked storms come through here yesterday and it killed my internet till just this evening. So I am getting up to speed. Hopefully Wycco is legit (they have been pinging my PR meter a bit). I'll try to be more active tomorrow, the utility company seems to have fixed my problems.

 

[Kashta]

Thank you, Rocker.

As for the rest of Ogre's post... I'll leave things alone now. We need to hear from everyone else instead.

I've done what I can to establish whatever credibility I have left. That's all I can do to help.

As far as picking out suspects, I don't trust my own judgement well enough anymore and neither does anyone else.

The 2 vampires who aren't confirmed yet will appear to take our side too, Wycco. We ignore John of course and look for consensus instead.

 

[Kashta]

Thank you, Sandy.

 

[ZSandmann]

After a little reading, here are my top three

dawg - I think he is keeping a safe enough distance back and is trying to start a train on Kash, who is an easy target, but not a good target. I think he wanted to get one going on rich. What doesn't make sense is why a vampire did not try ro save jpap. dawgs vote on Rb was a waste, why not try to save jpap.

Coler - I think he is also keeping a safe distance back, maybe he will have more input now that he has more information. He was unwilling to vote jpap and voted with rich for a moment and then went back to rich. Was this his attempt to save jpap?

ZS - Another one just barely giving any thoughts or taking any risks. Playing real safe. Is basically innocent on everyones list. Was voting jpap, but when it looked like jpap could get voted out, switched to rich because of "attitude". Talks of others saving jpap, but by switching off of jpap came close to saving jpap.

I really wish I could have been around for night as I wouldn't have let it go to a tie, I was much more confident on pappy than Rich and I think my questioning shows that. But you are a Vamp so thanks for the vote of confidence I guess.

Since I am high on the suspect list and from my play last night I can see why I thought i should drop by. I will be gone most of the day.

Kash does look bad but why at the end did she seem to want Coler to pull off me presumably on to Jpap. Just a hole in the threoy I saw amd may not mean a thing.

I have to assume JL is on our side as he was the lead push to get Jpap. Of course it could have been a ploy but offly early to sacrifice a team mate.

Dawg worries me strange voting behavior almost like he did not want to be on the lynch victim at all.

Zsand was very busy yesterday throwing stuff around and will need looked at.

Coler looks ok to me but he is hard for me to read. I think his vote switch to Jm was just to see what I would do or he was having fun at my expense.

Ogre seems mister mellow makes me wonder if he has a different agenda.

Jm is still a prime suspect to me. I think he will be until the end.

The quiet folks probably need looked at but how do you do that.

That stings Rich. Are you teammates with JL? Don't worry I won't tell anyone.

My main concern with the recent revelations are that either Wycco or the Priest have been turned. If Wycco was turned he could be feeding us bull, but that is easily discovered as they wouldn't sacrafice one of their own with such low numbers. If the Priest was turned then Wycco is toast at next Nightfall.

 

[OgreMkV]

Game off

Guys, I'm not trying to be a butt about this I promise, but please try to understand the nature of the game.

Using any information from sources that are not in this game is really improper. Of course, we all use what we know of how people play to look at how they are currently playing. This, fortunately, has mixed results.

Using game rules related maneuvers to influence game play isn't really proper. I'm not sure if this was your intention Kash, but it sure sounded like you were willing to commit suicide by quitting the game to prove your role. Again, that's not the point of the game.

There aren't any, what I would consider, fouls here, but let's try to stick with the game please.

I'm sorry if I misunderstood you intention.

game on

BTW: If you really think John's going to answer the question... you and John's roles are pretty well established at this point. If something weird has happened, we'll figure it out.

I do whole-heatedly agree with your comments about not trusting myself to draw proper conclusions.

 

[rich311k]

I agree that Wy is legit and if not tomorrow he will get his stake.

I vote to stick a stake in JL.

 

[Coler]

John is a dead man now.

By coming out as the Seer, all Wycco could do is bring this game to a head. But I can force the issue.

John, you know that I can and you already know I'll go through with it. So do both of your teammates as well as everyone else who saw me play when I volunteered to lynch myself to reveal my role.

If Wycco and I are lying and YOU ARE INNOCENT, you can prove it.

I'm prepared to call your bluff here and now: Are you willing to die for the town?

This I don't get btw - what do you mean he can prove it ?

 

[paperdragon]

This I don't get btw - what do you mean he can prove it ?

Maybe she means by him dying?

This whole thing just makes me very suspicious.

 

[Coler]

Wycco is not the seer.

The seer would have been looking for the hunter so they could take out a vampire.

Like I asked, please have Kash as second. I am sure the priest will save me.

No one with any sense is going to beleive that wycco is the seer. The real seer will not be voting for me.

Bold bit makes little sense. The seer can't really actively seek the hunter albeit that it is great for the town if they find the hunter. I don't know if JL is trying to suggest the seer would not come out until they find the hunter, which if so, I don't accept the logic of.

I just don't think wycco is the lead vamp. They would not have come out like that. They must be willing to lose wycco.

Here is the thing, someone in this town has a list of who was investigated, they will know that wycco is not the seer.

Just please keep some votes on Kash. She has to be behind this.

First bit in bold - unlikely. There are max three. I can buy that jpappy was left hanging because maybe he was going to be unable to play and stuff (curious that they neither tried to save him nor sent him to the gallows if so though. Perhaps it was just lousy vampire play that left him in a tie ultimately)

John is a dead man now.

By coming out as the Seer, all Wycco could do is bring this game to a head. But I can force the issue.

John, you know that I can and you already know I'll go through with it. So do both of your teammates as well as everyone else who saw me play when I volunteered to lynch myself to reveal my role.

If Wycco and I are lying and YOU ARE INNOCENT, you can prove it.

I'm prepared to call your bluff here and now: Are you willing to die for the town?

I bolded 'but I can force the issue...through with it'...Kash...seriously - just please say whatever you mean outright. Coded/veiled threats to JL are pretty unhelpful at this point.