Mafia #57: The Great Mafia War- The Game

Ogre, why would a certain mafia clan all vote for the same person on the third night?

I don't quite follow your logic, why wouldn't members of the other mafia clan vote annie?
 
Wycco, why did you think Annie was scummy?

A couple of people have asked me this. I was far from the only one who thought Annie was scummy.

Two things stood out to me.

1) The feud between Danger Doll and Annie early on looked forced to me. I know when I was evil with Annie he suggested several times having a feud with someone.

2) Annie claim of RL issues getting in the way (when there was no need to bring that up)- reminded me of him using that same claim twice before when guilty.

3) My four earliest suspects were JL, Ogre, Rbishop and Ice. Of those four- Ice and RBishop are both dead. JL and Ogre I've kind of cooled on- I really don't see anything after day one to make them stand out- other than their ongoing dispute with each other. Annie would be my next pick. No disrespect to Annie, but I think he makes a much better guilty player than innocent because he is so hard to read that he flies under the radar most of the time- yet kicks up a lot of dust that can confuse the innocents.

At this point I'm really not sure. I'll admit to not really having a clue- I need to go through and rationalise the whole thing from day one to see if I can work something out. I think it would help reading the comments starting with day one for everyone knowing now who is guilty and who isn't and putting it into context.

I really have been sick- still am a little bit, but back at work. For those doubting it you can search my post history- I normally have about 8 or 9 a day non-Mafia - I think I've only made one post off of this thread in the last two days.
 
OK... Just a quick voting analysis. What we know of how people have voted:

3 Votes for known innocents
Lady G

2 votes for known innocents
Danger Doll, JMax, ZSand, RBishop (Dead Scum)

1 vote for known innocents
Rocker (Scum), Dawg (RIP), MC, Lan, JL

1 Vote for known innocent and one vote for known scum
Zaff, Annie (RIP), Ice(RIP), Rich

1 vote for known innocent and two votes for known scum
Wycco, Ogre



- everyone else has not voted for anyone who has yet got a known status.

I'm not saying read too much into this- innocents can pick the wrong person and mafia could vote guilty looking for other mafia or could be hiding their votes some... although with three teams I don't see the necessity of voting for teammates.
 
OK... so you're ready for my re-evaluation?

Post 43 and 44- Rbishop followed a "train" (in his words) after Zaffy- to go after Dawg a known innocent.

Post 48 ZSand "darn archangel again) - read very little into this- but "Archangel" was an evil character and every game since I've started playing that ZSand was innocent he made the claim he was. The one time he wasn't- he didn't.

Post 143, 145, 149, 150 - Lots of post in quick succession from Lady G against Annie. 150, Lady G possible distancing from RB and/or Zaff.

Post 152 Ice known innocent-plays down Annie's (known innocents) guilt- possible attack on LG and JL.
"I'm wondering why LG,JL haven't questioned Ogre for saving Annie if they think Annie is in fact mafia."
Also- posts interest on Land and MC "Still would like to hear from Lan and MC. ". - post 184 implicatate JL, LG, DD as people he doesn't trust. Was Ice a threat to the mafia team?

Post 168 - 168 posts into the game JMax posts a lot of off topic info- has been really quiet in the game and tops off her post with a vote against an innocent.

Post 179 JPap comments Lan in risk of UDing.

186 JL defends Annie's role (known innocent) - indifferent to RB (known scum) - doesn't see Luv (known innocent) as guilty because didn't crack. This takes aways suspicion from JL.

187 Ogre agrees with Ice's list- which I too think was pretty accurate in hindsight- even though I though Ice might be guilty at the time. This takes a little suspicion away from Ogre.

188 JL debunks's Ice's list of to trust.

207 Lan finally shows up (at request of team mates???- had time for PM to go his way)- votes for innocent Ice.

217 ZSand shows up after long absence and takes the "trying to avoid being voted off" argument against Annie after it had been proved wrong.

221 Wycco (to include myself on here and my own screw up ;) ) Makes a complete hash of things in an early theoretical list- including several players later found out to be innocent.

228 Ice again implicates DD. - again implicates LG (kinda) for voting one way and arguing another way regarding Annie.

240 Rich votes for RB as he begins to take the lead. Could have voted on Annie if a team-mate of RB to tie things back up. Unlikely though Rich and RB are on same team.

24(x) JL questions why Rb is seen as guilty several times.

258 ZSand makes really odd comment. "I still don't like the late run on Rb even though he was scum, it proves nothing of innocence in a two Evils game." Also claims both mafia groups went after Ice. - as later pointed out by Lady G- how did he know? Later he points to JPaps comment of another character in the shadows... maybe.

304 Cichlids exonherates himself somewhat by posting a long informative post. Points doubt at Annie and Luv known innocents- but nothing strong- makes a lot of good posts... a worth read.

311 Woodward makes observation ZSand taking game more seriously than everyone else.

313 JohnL makes intesting participation notes.. Ogre, himself, Lady G are the only three (still alive now) that have made large participations.

330 Onwards- Annie implicates me because I voted for him and I've been quiet.





So what do I make of all the evidence going back, knowing what we know now?

Well - of everyone LadyG looks the most likely to be guilty having voted for innocents every night and her post history doesn't look particulary sparkling.

I vote to lynch LadyG.

I have very strong suspicions on DD based upon the above. She'd be my second choice.

After them:
Zsand and JMax look suspicious without either really having done anything noticably wrong.

Lan's been too quiet to judge. Woodward has blended into the wood work well as has Rich.


On the other hand- Ogre and JohnL have been very "noisy" and with that many posts without anything seriously big to implicate them- battering each other a fair bit- I'm not considering them as likely mafia. Possible- keep an eye on them- but I think there are better choices.

I do buy Mostly's claim of being busy- and when he has been on board I've found him Mostly helpfull and his posts agree with Ice's who I think was most on the ball the first two days. I have him most likely innocent too.


Zaffy has shown to be fairly helpfull too... and he's not done anything wrong... For some reason I don't 100% trust him- but I've got him as most likely innocent for now too... Perhaps it's the rolling Captain Picard that makes him look guilty.
 
There... now I've got two days of work to catch up on and my morning is half gone from catching up on mafia... you probably won't see me again until at least noon... LOL ;)
 
OK I'm back... and no-one has been back since... I spent all that time looking through past posts pulling the significant posts and no-one has a comment?

OK... just a recap on votes. As I count it at the moment.

2 on Ogre.
1 on JL
2 on Lady G.



Does anyone have any suspicion how many Mafioso there are? It might help if we knew how many we are looking for- we've got one from each team so far according to JPap- so how many are left? How many were there last time this format was used?
 
Why couldn't we be members of the other mafia clan? What makes you think I am in a certain mafia clan and not just mafia?

Because Ogre is a member of the other clan?


Also to your post Wycco about my quietness. I was just having a hard time understanding this game at the time and was too busy to read up. I voted Ice purely because no one else (at the time) had and I was fairly certain it wouldn't get him killed. I had no evidence of any sort on anyone, no time to find any, and I just didn't want to UD and mess up the game.

Zaffy sent me an IM to warn me I was going to UD, that's when I realized and got involved (as much as possible).

I'm sorry I'm not being terribly helpful this game, I'm just distracted by work and trying not to mess the game up for everyone with my poor choice to play this time. I should have passed until I had some more free time.

That said, my vote on Zaff was legit. I thought that little mind game post he made was weak and below his standards. I also suspect Ogre as it sounds like a few of you do as well.
 
Zaffy sent me an IM to warn me I was going to UD, that's when I realized and got involved (as much as possible).

Yikes... I don't know what to make of that.

Either you're both on a team together and you just stuck your foot in it by mentioning the IM- or Zaffy bent the rules a little there.

From what I understand there is not supposed to be any interaction about the game off the main post thread.




Otherwise, from what you've said- I can buy your quietness- and prior to that last comment you wern't really on my radar- it was just an observation that you've been hard to read because you've been quiet.
 
Yikes... I don't know what to make of that.

Either you're both on a team together and you just stuck your foot in it by mentioning the IM- or Zaffy bent the rules a little there.

From what I understand there is not supposed to be any interaction about the game off the main post thread.




Otherwise, from what you've said- I can buy your quietness- and prior to that last comment you wern't really on my radar- it was just an observation that you've been hard to read because you've been quiet.

I don't think it's really against the rules, at least the spirit of the rules, for Zaff to remind me it's almost nightfall and I haven't voted yet. Nothing was said beyond that.

Would you rather I had just UD'd? That's not good for anyone.
 
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