Mafia #6.....The Play

swayde, i honestly DO NOT know who mafia is 110%, only by default beacuse of who i believe innocent, i cannot take the risk of lynching another innocent, i already voted for innocents who were taken out

i need to expose mafia to help the town, for me i dont see another way!

selfish, yes, sometimes you have to be selfish for the greater good

Nick, NONE of us know who the mafia are, besides the mafia and the detective might know a few. Besides that we are all in the dark. That is what the game is about, an informed minority versus an uninformed majority. We are going to lynch innocents, but we have to learn from it.

That is why I am saying that we can be focused on ZSandmann's post. Basicly it appears that one or the other is mafia. While I did not even have Swayde as leaning mafia, ZSandmann is so sure that he is mafia that he will off himself. In past games, others have made that statement (not on day one like was done here) into a few days of game play and they have ALWAYS been correct. I think the town has two choices.

Either vote to lynch Swayde or vote to lynch ZSandmann.

The only thing I see that could be a trick is that they are both mafia and ZSandmann and the mafia are willing to lose a member to gain confidence in ZSandmann and then the town will blindly follow ZSandmann.

We can get to the other people later. I have others on my top list of mafia and I had Swayde as an innocent. I have Nick and DP up on my list, but am willing to wait. I think several have them both up on their lists.

In this game, innocent are going to be lynched, but we keep chasing our own shadows. We do not learn anything.
 
Great plan Swayde, except for the fact I'm not a Mafia and you and Nick are. I suspect one of you could well be the Don, but a deal is a deal, if you are lynched tonight and show as innocent I'll vote myself first thing tomorrow. Back to my cooking, later.
 
Here's a scenario I can easily see happening. Nick or I get lynched tonight. Hopefully it's me because then Z just might have to be held accountable for his offer of him or me. Then Z or Ogre or some other Mafia person is going to say, well look Nick HAS to be Mafia because Swayde and him were sticking up for each other, so we HAVE to vote for Nick because he HAS to be Mafia. And then Z will be able to get off scott free and Nick will hang and it will be game over.

Swayde, if you are lynched (and found innocent) and if I am not hit, I will do EVERYTHING that I can to lynch ZSandmann. I can assure you of that. Anyone that would not do the same is clearly mafia.

That is why this lynch is important. If we do not lynch one or the other, then we just have this the next day, while the mafia picks off another one of us.
 
//game off

i'm off to the bar to play a few rouns of pool with a friend, its near the dock so i'm hoping my only lynchinh tonight will be a virtual one!!!

//game on

if i come back to find myself lynched, then out of all my theories please note the one i am convinced about

the townies are arguing amongst themselves. when they get close or when they settle down a mafia memeber pops in with a few posts to stir it up again...watch for the players who do this, they sit on the sidelines a lot, watching and waiting....i've seen the following do this: ogre, jl and dangerdoll

i'm not convinced jl or ogre are mafia, but that would leave dd exposed....watch her she's certainly a dangerous doll
 
Alright, I've been doing some thinking and here are my thoughts....

We've got 3 subsets of players to work with where we KNOW mafia exist.

- Snitch list 1
- Snitch list 2
- Voter list from Ice lynching (rb says not all voters were mafia, which implies that at least some are)

Snitch List 1
Mee-mee
Plantling
KOTD
Madcrawdad (also voted for Ice, but probably innocent, at least according to rb)

Snitch List 2
Sploke (also voted for Ice)
BKW
Jensons (also voted for Ice)

Ice Lynch Voters
Sploke (also on Snitch 2)
Ogre
Cory Lover (dead innocent)
Jensons (also on Snitch 2)
Madcrawdad (also on Snitch 1, but probably innocent, at least according to rb)
ZSandmann
JPappy

In looking at all of the names above, I'm willing to clear a few (at least for the time being).

Madcrawdad - Many players perceive me as innocent already, but RB all but confirms it with his storyline. Those who completely ignore RB's clues are mafia, in my eyes.
ZSandmann - Jumped onto the Ice lynch train very late. Late vote change is not a good idea for mafia, especially when lynching a known innocent.
Ogre - While I agree that his game has seemed a little 'off' I think he would be playing a very bold game if he were mafia. Pretty much engineered the train that lynched Ice....Once again, if he knew Ice were innocent, it's unlikely that he'd have spearheaded that particular initiative.
Cory Lover - Dead innocent

RB also says that the mafia have been running just under the surface, with no noteriety....only one that I've cleared above who would fit that is CL and he's dead.

That leaves us with the following combined list:

Mee-mee -Snitch 1
Plantling - Snitch 1
KOTD - Snitch 1
Sploke - Snitch 2 & Ice lynching
BKW - Snitch 2
Jensons - Snitch 2 & Ice lynching
JPappy - Ice lynching

We know that of those 7, at least 2 (probably more) are mafia. At least 1/3 of Mee-mee, Plantling & KOTD are mafia. At least 1/3 of Sploke, BKW & Jensons are mafia, and JPappy now also makes the combined list.

One candidate I particularly like is JPappy for mafia.

- Day 1 made a late night vote switch onto the Madcrawdad train
- Day 2 pulled his vote off of Mike when Mike quit, and then went to buy a fish tank. There was a strong push to lynch Madcrawdad that day, and pulling off of Mike was indirectly a vote for Madcrawdad. Once I called him on it, he revoted for Mike.
- Day 3 He votes for Ice at 10:13pm CDT. At 10:13pm CDT he also makes another post saying something like 'Whoa, when did Z vote for Ice? That's odd.' Not only did he point out Z's last minute vote change, but he did it all within the same minute that he posted his vote for Ice. Not much time to post, go back and read some additional posts, and then post another observation. Is it possible that JPap knew Z switched votes to Ice when he voted, but thought the statement might make more of an impact in it's own post? Keep in mind JPap's got some mafia looking voting habits (ie, usually votes late, switches votes late, etc.), so why point them out when others do it? Just a thought. Hey Z, do you know if it was your's or Jpap's vote that set the Ice train rolling? I suspect it was yours, and JPap hopped on once it was going, but can't confirm....If you don't know that's fine, just wondering.

As far as the other candidates on the combined list, unfortunately when folks barely post (KOTD, Jensons, BKW) it's hard to get any sort of read at all. People can give all the reasons they want for not posting, but not posting = not helping the town.

Looks like the Sploke train won't be leaving today, which is good, because I may not have much time to pull together an argument for that one. I really don't want to lynch someone solely based on the sometimes ambiguous word of Bala, especially with the town at stake.

Keep in mind that RB says the mafia has been running 'just under the surface' and most of the combined list fits that bill.

If anyone wants to dig into my 'combined' list of candidates, feel free...

unvote Sploke

I'm going to eat lunch and then reread a little before recasting my vote.
 
One candidate I particularly like is JPappy for mafia.

- Day 1 made a late night vote switch onto the Madcrawdad train
- Day 2 pulled his vote off of Mike when Mike quit, and then went to buy a fish tank. There was a strong push to lynch Madcrawdad that day, and pulling off of Mike was indirectly a vote for Madcrawdad. Once I called him on it, he revoted for Mike.
- Day 3 He votes for Ice at 10:13pm CDT. At 10:13pm CDT he also makes another post saying something like 'Whoa, when did Z vote for Ice? That's odd.' Not only did he point out Z's last minute vote change, but he did it all within the same minute that he posted his vote for Ice. Not much time to post, go back and read some additional posts, and then post another observation. Is it possible that JPap knew Z switched votes to Ice when he voted, but thought the statement might make more of an impact in it's own post? Keep in mind JPap's got some mafia looking voting habits (ie, usually votes late, switches votes late, etc.), so why point them out when others do it? Just a thought. Hey Z, do you know if it was your's or Jpap's vote that set the Ice train rolling? I suspect it was yours, and JPap hopped on once it was going, but can't confirm....If you don't know that's fine, just wondering.

I really liked jpappy as a Mafia pick, even before that Ice bit, but have never been able to stir up any support. I THINK that he and I voted almost simultaneously as I did not see his vote till I refreshed. I think I sealed Ice's fate and will take that fully on myself. I knew he had a vibe but it wasn't Mafia it was just a Power Role. That's my Achilles Heel in these games it seems.
 
I really liked jpappy as a Mafia pick, even before that Ice bit, but have never been able to stir up any support. I THINK that he and I voted almost simultaneously as I did not see his vote till I refreshed. I think I sealed Ice's fate and will take that fully on myself. I knew he had a vibe but it wasn't Mafia it was just a Power Role. That's my Achilles Heel in these games it seems.

I am not trying to stir up doubt, but is there anyway that Swayde could be a power role?
 
thru post 1658....2:20 PM EST.....

to lynch...

swayde (5) by DD 1607 jl66 1407 kotd 1417 ogre 1610 zsand 1343

nick (5) by sploke 1603 charlie 1365 mee 1475 nick 1612 joan 1437

dwarf (2) by jpap 1596 plant 1598

zsand (1) by swayde 1412

13 of 17 voting

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