Z, I thought you said at one point that there was something that bothered you about Ogre, also. Do you remember his reaction to me when I refused to vote Sploke? I very quckly became his 2nd Mafia pick. To me that's intimidation tactic used by Mafa. If he really wanted me to vote for Sploke and was a townie, I think he would have been more nice about it and list reasons. I don't like being bullied. And the train that started on Ogre I was referring to was KOTD(who has since changed), Jensos, and JPappy. They were also on my Mafia list. I think it's a distancing tactic as if JL is found out as innocent, Ogre might get the heat. And if we find out JMax is the Don, then Ogre will also look guilty.