Mafia #6.....The Play

[johnlarson66]

I concur....JL was insistent on voting for DP for quite some time. Now he writes him off as innocent?

If he QUIT I would assume he was innocent. The only way in my list that he would be dead is by quitting. I was posting a concern of mine. At that time Nick was leading the votes. Also at that time, I was fairly sure Nick was not mafia, the main reason is I felt the mafia were loading him with votes and avoiding ZSandmanns declaration that Swayde is mafia and is willing to die for his vote.

So if the town lynched Nick and if DP QUIT and the mafia hit someone, we would be down 3 innocents.

There is no way I thought the mafia would hit DP. Much better targets are OgreMvK, Madcrawdad, ZSandmann, or even myself. As noted by OgreMvK, there seems to be 3 team leaders. Why were they not hit?

 

[plantling]

What do you think about KOTD, Z?

 

[ZSandmann]

Personally I have not had a strong read on KOTD. His style of play makes it very difficult to read him. I have him as a 6 on my list which is slightly Innocent. I think yesterdays votes pretty clearly show the remaining Mafia and Innocents. If I am right about Sway then probably most of the people on Sway are Innocent and most of the people on Nick were Mafia. BUT if the Town were genuinely split between the two the Mafia could of filled in and either to bend the vote the way they wanted.

 

[Dangerdoll]

If we go with the Kotd vote, we'll see how many followers we have. I think Swayde is on our side. She'll vote with us, won't you Swayde?

What do you think about KOTD, Z?

"we'll see how many followers we have" screams forming a lynch train which is exactly what this mafia has been trying to do with us and has succeeded thus far.... did I miss your expanation of why "everyone should follow you" in taking out KOTD?

 

[johnlarson66]

I hope the Townies that remain are watching what's going on here. I offered up my game life if we could unite and lynch Swayde, but once again we got bamboozled and now the lynch train is gearing up against me.

I am freaked out. Still more distractions.

Look folks, I am willing to go along with ZSandmann here. I think as a town we either need to go with him or against him.

There are people that talk about uniting and then start another tangent. This makes no sense.

I think in game 4 madcrawdad put his life on the line for a lynch vote and the players took it serious. Now he is not even acknowledging it.

It is 8 against 7. We can not miss.

Also, why did the mafia hit DP? There seems to be a lot better targets. I was highly suspicious of DP because they talked of quitting and did not quit, but then did not post again, so maybe they had quit late. I was not voting for DP that day nor would have I been for it, due to the unknown status of them.

I was sure of this, if DP stayed in the game they were mafia, if they quit they were innocent.

I think it comes down to 2 camps, those that follow ZSandmann and those that do not. At this point I feel that anyone that does not follow ZSandmann is mafia.

What is sad, the mafia do not even have to vote for ZSandmann. They can just not vote for Swayde, they can vote for whoever else and muddy everything else. I am not sure how many votes got the lynch yesterday, but I am fairly sure 5 votes will get someone killed.

There are so many other things I would like to post about, but I think we need to stay focused on this. There should be two "Canidates". I think we all agree that one of them is mafia.

Based on last nights votes, I can see where they are both mafia, but the mafia is starting trains for other people, making both these two look like innocents.

Either I am being suckered by ZSandmann or we get our first mafia dead.

Once again, I think we should either vote for ZSandmann or Swayde.

 

[Dangerdoll]

Z is also on my Mafia list. He told us not to read too much into RB's clues and said RB would not be partial like that. Also, he and JPappy who I also suspect as Mafia were the deciding votes to lynch Ice. And Z and KOTD seem to want Swayde gone real bad, so I'm beginning to think she's really innocent. I'm not as sure about Z as I am about KOTD, though.

I am freaked out. Still more distractions.

Look folks, I am willing to go along with ZSandmann here. I think as a town we either need to go with him or against him.

There are people that talk about uniting and then start another tangent. This makes no sense.

I think in game 4 madcrawdad put his life on the line for a lynch vote and the players took it serious. Now he is not even acknowledging it.

It is 8 against 7. We can not miss.

Also, why did the mafia hit DP? There seems to be a lot better targets. I was highly suspicious of DP because they talked of quitting and did not quit, but then did not post again, so maybe they had quit late. I was not voting for DP that day nor would have I been for it, due to the unknown status of them.

I was sure of this, if DP stayed in the game they were mafia, if they quit they were innocent.

I think it comes down to 2 camps, those that follow ZSandmann and those that do not. At this point I feel that anyone that does not follow ZSandmann is mafia.

What is sad, the mafia do not even have to vote for ZSandmann. They can just not vote for Swayde, they can vote for whoever else and muddy everything else. I am not sure how many votes got the lynch yesterday, but I am fairly sure 5 votes will get someone killed.

There are so many other things I would like to post about, but I think we need to stay focused on this. There should be two "Canidates". I think we all agree that one of them is mafia.

Based on last nights votes, I can see where they are both mafia, but the mafia is starting trains for other people, making both these two look like innocents.

Either I am being suckered by ZSandmann or we get our first mafia dead.

Once again, I think we should either vote for ZSandmann or Swayde.

I'm willing to call the bluff, and I still do wonder why the Mafia wouldn't have taken out Z earlier. Sure, he's floated on lists and such, very clever. The only thing that makes sense to me is because he is indeed Mafia. I vote to lynch ZSandman

 

[Madcrawdad]

I am freaked out. Still more distractions.

Look folks, I am willing to go along with ZSandmann here. I think as a town we either need to go with him or against him.

There are people that talk about uniting and then start another tangent. This makes no sense.

I think in game 4 madcrawdad put his life on the line for a lynch vote and the players took it serious. Now he is not even acknowledging it. It's too late in the game for that kind of statement...At this point, the mafia can choose to play very BOLD. They can even all pile their votes on one candidate. If even one townie waivers and votes elsewhere it's game over. Townies, at this point it has to be all or nothing. The vote cannot be split. A onesie vote here or there can break our back.
It is 8 against 7. We can not miss.

Also, why did the mafia hit DP? There seems to be a lot better targets. I was highly suspicious of DP because they talked of quitting and did not quit, but then did not post again, so maybe they had quit late. I was not voting for DP that day nor would have I been for it, due to the unknown status of them.

I was sure of this, if DP stayed in the game they were mafia, if they quit they were innocent.

I think it comes down to 2 camps, those that follow ZSandmann and those that do not. At this point I feel that anyone that does not follow ZSandmann is mafia.

What is sad, the mafia do not even have to vote for ZSandmann. They can just not vote for Swayde, they can vote for whoever else and muddy everything else. I am not sure how many votes got the lynch yesterday, but I am fairly sure 5 votes will get someone killed.

There are so many other things I would like to post about, but I think we need to stay focused on this. There should be two "Canidates". I think we all agree that one of them is mafia.

Based on last nights votes, I can see where they are both mafia, but the mafia is starting trains for other people, making both these two look like innocents.

Either I am being suckered by ZSandmann or we get our first mafia dead.

Once again, I think we should either vote for ZSandmann or Swayde.

.

 

[johnlarson66]

Was it too late yesterday?

 

[johnlarson66]

Mad, where do you stand on this? Who is your vote for?

 

[Madcrawdad]

Was it too late yesterday?

Here's the thing about your ZSand or Swayde argument....why can't they both be innocent?

In game 4, the game ended with Z positive that HN wasn't mafia...so positive he was willing to eat a mousepad if wrong. Sounded good to me as I wasn't sold on HN as mafia either. Ogre, myself, and Z all ended up voting for JPappy then....we were WRONG. Z was wrong, Ogre was wrong, I was wrong. Fortunately enough others were right and HN was lynch as mafia and we won the game. No one can ever be 100% sure.

Your argument that Z is so sure about Swayde, that it should be one or the other holds no water for me...If you are mafia and they are innocent it would be a perfect card for you to play. I can't risk tossing away the town just because you think I should vote for whoever Z says to.