Mafia #60: A Clash at Christmas- The Play

I tried to post this last night, but the site went down, so I went to bed.

These 2 posts got me thinking:





They follow each other by minutes, and are not great cases. I was thinking about the order and quickness that players jumped on Rich, but I'm not sure that it means that Ddoll is scum. (I'm not giving her a pass either, I just don't lie Zaffy's logic.) So, there's Zaffy's vote for her, then Lab_R comes in with even weaker evidence and throws a vote in the same direction. I'm not sure if this is team mates playing too close, or if Lab jumped on the Ddoll idea when the jumping was good to hopefully start a train. My vote may go to Lab tonight.

It was very unfortunate timing that my vote followed a similar vote but I can explain that. I voted immediately after re-reading the whole thread and I didn't bother refreshing, therefore did not see Zaffy's post. I had no idea that he had similar suspicions about DD until after I'd already submitted my post and vote. Check the times the posts were submitted. Poor timing on my part but otherwise indicative of nothing. I do admit I don't have a strong case on her, but being a noob to this game it's hard to know how the players each play and her behavior struck me as the most suspicious. I may change my vote if I see better evidence for another player.
 
I'll appologize in advance for the long post. I've pulled all DD's posts from page 4 on. I left out the previous pages 'cause the first 2-3 pages always seem to be :bs: anyway. If I've missed any, I'm sure you'll let me know... :thumbsup:

emmm.... I knew your post was a joke and was adding to the joke...

any reason you are trying to pick at it like it's serious? Or are you feeling nercous because I touched on something? Clever, yes but not enough...
This is part of the early on DD/Ice banter. Seems like them both accusing eachother, then backing down is just odd. Here she seems to be picking at nothing.

I dunno... Z is usually standard for choosing a choice game during Mafia games....

My favorite evergreen is Colorado Blue Spruce. W ehad one in the backyard of the last house I had, and that was my single most favorite tree during a snowstorm. It was strong, fluffy, and beautiful!
The obligatory answer to Z's evergreen question.

not sure what you're getting at, JM, but if you're clueing in to something, you just said it right there.
Didn't understand this then, don't understand it now.

JM, if you wanted to be technical about it, there are a few folks that said "my favorite Christmas Evergreen = " While some said "my favorite evergreen =" and then the posts without tghe "equals sign".... my opinion is you are reading a bit far into it, no?

and Ice... iot is day one, I've played enough games to know that on the first two pages at the very least would be filled with jokes posts... it really is not all that serious.

DD starts to back off with Ice. Subtle really. The bolded line could be just an observation, but it could also be starting to point a subtle finger to get other people looking. After all, this game is all about reading into things. Helping the town is about pointing out what you see. It seems to me like she may be trying to quiet that voice.

Well, I am up this morning with a heap of smow removal needing to be done... and shopping so I am not sure how much I will be back to the board. I feel like I shopuld at least put my vote in. I am really bothered by JM's pointing out the text similarities, not even know if he is either on to something or using the same frame of mind as the last few games with the Newspaper headlines. It's really all I have besides Ice being so serious over my posts which were not even that serious... however, like Ice, I have to step back a bit because he is on the same page with me on the whole JM thing... however, seeing that there are 2 votes on JM, I am either hoping he steps up and explains his steadfast suspicion on the wording, and his try at manipulating the thoughts for the game. I will vote for him and make sure I make it back to watch what happens between now and night fall.... I may be changing the vote. Yes, I realize this is the 3rd (I think) vote on him and I know a lot of people consider the 3rd on evil, but I feel like its all I have to go on.... so if my posts stays, I guess that will be a chance I have to take.
Wow, this is masterful. In one post, she drops Ice lower on her list, gives an excuse for laying low, and after a little time for others to percolate about it, calls JM out directly. She even calls herself out for being 3rd on, to encourage others not to think of it as "evil". Truly well crafted post DD. :thumbsup:

whoops... I vote to lynch JM
Hehe, oops; almost forgot to vote there...



any particular reason, Razz?



haha, nice JM but I think you know me well enough to know that I don't need any instruction on what the job of an innocent is. While I agree that it is the job of an innocent to find clues of the mafia working together, I fail to see how such codewords being used as you pointed out is mafium, because it's something Z does nearly every game. Plus, why would they need to drop clues to each other?? They know who they all are aside from one.... and how would that one know they were dropping clues for him? .... well, that is, if not for your pointing it out... vote away, JM... I think you are showing your colors loud and clear....
Even if it's wrong, a townie should put out there what they see. That's the only way to get others looking at it. It seems again like DD is trying to silence the voice of inquiry. And she seems so SURE. How can anyone be that sure on day 1?

my vote is not changing.

JM, your vote is totally OMGUS, there is no denying that...
Fair enough...


I was leading the pack?? Tell me where I led anything.... all I noted on was your strange pick up on Z's questioning folks on evergreens.... you know, the same thing he does most mafia games.... also, where did I lead anyone.... you know, being 3rd on the list and all....

your scrambling is too obvious JM
DD's getting defensive maybe?

man... crappy night... sorry about losing you, JM.... but you just didn't sit well with me with poking out of Z's post... just didn't look right being you weren't a noobie at all...

Time to refocus...
Hehe, you mean refocus your team on who to set up next?

I have my eye on razzle, and need to look through his posts. I thought at one point, he seemed to be aware of the way to play and then when questioned, thrw in the newbie card.... just want to look back and see his involvement up to that far.
I admit, I may have missed a post, but I haven't seen any follow-up on DD's "look back" at Razz. It always worries me when some one doesn't follow up.

sorry I wasn't here yesterday, was in meetings all day and then all night...

if I was to vote off the cuff, I would vote Razz for the flim flam looking posting style he has.... sometimes it seems new, sometimes it seems mentored.... but then there's Zaff.... part OMGUS vote, and part grasping at the 3rd vote theory. It's convenient and keeps him in the shadows.

Trust me, Zaff.... if I was on the mafia team, I would not panic and would not be so obvious along with Dawg and Ice. You say you'd think we'd play better than that, fact is, we would..... you have no good reason for voting me, just convenience and a desperate try at manuipulation...

I vote to lynch Zaffy
Is this an OMGUS? I've lost track.

It seems to me like DD is playing a great game. She's keeping herself among the top posters, while not really putting a lot out there except for misleading information on someone we now know to have been innocent. She tried to quiet him through posting, and that didn't work, so she did her best to solidify his death.

Tell me DD, why did you hit Kash? Is it because your heart is 3 sizes to small? That's what the Who's down in Whoville think.

I'll be back in a little bit with some thoughts on Ice.
 
Terrible news JB but glad you are still with us!

Thanks Noods. Fortunately, there were no serious injuries; and I have a good relationship with the local PD (I work with them quite closely) and the guy will be eating all his meals on trays for at least a couple months. :uhoh:
 
Again, I've pulled posts starting on page 4. Let me know if I've missed any...

Its pretty obvious that the other reindeer are off playing reindeer games.
Couldn't find the BS smiley...


Well my post was a joke, thought that was obvious.

But now you make me wonder if I didn't touch on something.
Mild banter beginning with DD.

Didn't sound jokey but then again sarcasm and jokiness can be misread online.


I hate Holly trees, they should be outlawed. I work outside laying invisible fence line and all the upper class have them as border trees. Then they want me to squeeze between the tree and fence to lay the line.

My favorite would have to be a Fraiser or Spruce.
Obligatory answer to Z's question.


Not really much to go on so far even for a Day 1.

Jm for skimming why people are answering a question and for trying to lump people together based on answers.

DD for her post commenting on my joke post. I know she said she was joking but for some reason it still bothers me,maybe just because I'm looking to hard for something on a Day 1. The thing about it that bothers me is that I stated why that was my educated guess but she asks how I came to that conclusion. Did she skim and just see the list of names and reacted then tried to back track or did she actually try to joke back with me?

Reds vote and explanation bothers me in the fact that he says he will be going away for the weekend but be back before night fall. The post was 3 this afternoon(Sat) and night fall is Sun evening. Is that really a weekend away? I think Z might be right that its a vote and lay low plan.

Its all I have for now and unless another person presents them self as mafia my vote will probably land on one of them. No one above, at this time, stands out more then the other.
Hmmm... this is a long post for "not much to go on". Ice Throws in on the JM finger pointing, puts DD on his list (so he can say "see, I was lookin' at her when she come up grinchy). And throws a random look at TRS, agreeing whith Dawg.

Well since my time on the net has been so sporadic that past few weeks I want to make sure I have a vote in and one I'm comfortable with.

Since DD and I somewhat agree on Jms weird behavior I'm going to take her out of the equation for now. Since she didn't place a vote on him it could be distancing so I'll keep an eye on her.

That leaves Red and Jm as my 2 people to possibly vote for. Since Red does have the uncanny sense to guess scum I will give him another day at least.

That leaves 1 person I vote to lynch Jm1212


I also agree that Kash has been pretty quiet compared to her usual self. Fire is always quiet so not sure why Noods would point that out.
So Ice pretty much lets DD and TRS off the hook for now. Hmmm... this could be distancing. Then later he can say "oops... gues I made the wrong choice..."

Reading through I got a bit worried about the train forming on Jm but his OMGUS vote on DD cements my vote. He had 4 other people to choose from for a vote and actually could have voted Rich to pull it closer to a tie. By the placement of his vote I have to speculate 2 scenarios.


1. Rich is on Jms mafia team and he didn't want it to be closer and risk Richs death and then we'd just repile on him the next day.

2. DD is also on his team and this was a distancing tactic gone wrong, or Jm decided he didn't have time to play after all and is a sacrifice. By him voting her its a safe vote. Since she helped kill a mafia the danger of her being lynched is lowered.


Night fall and the events leading up should help us. Does Jm move off DD to Rich? Does DD move off Jm? Neither looks possible to do to me since they have been on one another to much within postings.
It seems, in retrospect; that Jm was an innocent voting his conscience. This is more support (IMO) for my vote on DD. My vote will not be changing. Rich was a vet (at least more than me), and I think DD engineered the vote behind the scenes to get rid of an enemy that was already on to her.

What about Razz for jumping on with no explanation or Dawg for actually voting for you 1st or me for having you as a suspect? You named me and DD so why her and not me?
Here's Ice "sort of" kicking bushes, but there's no real teeth here.

LOL that is what made it funny.

Welcome to the list. Players trying to turn a joke post into something serious always concern me.
More BS in my opinion.


Well we definitely lost a good player in Kash. Sorry Jm but of all the players you reeked most on Day 1.

We should be able to get something from tonights actions though.
If you feel so bad about Kash, why did you let DD hit her? And why did Jm reek the most, do you guys not like the smell of cinnamon and gum drops in your evil grinch lair way at the top of Mt. Crumpet?

Flipping between Panthers Vike game and Survivor and looking over Day 1 so bear with me.

I'm trying to figure out why Rich got so many votes. I see TRS voted and Lab used that as a reason to vote Rich too then after that it was pretty much nothing worth noting.

Looking at the voting on Rich..

She voted Kash then retracted. Kash was hit. Noods used the excuse she didn't like the train on Jm so she joins the one on Rich?

Fire still irks me in that she tried to make more out of a joke post then it was. Then being the tying vote between to players. Why Rich? I still don't see what about him was so scummy?

Zaffy is another one that mentions the train on Jm then jumps on a train on Rich.

TRS always votes Rich and Lab is a new player so I'm watching them but not to concerned just yet.

Of those on Jm..

I can't really argue with any of them as I saw the same thing. The only 2 I have a problem with is

DD- she says she didn't but my joke post seemed to be taken as more then it was but what really bugs me is the statement in her vote post.



No other 3rd vote on a player pointed this out. A built in excuse for the vote after admitting its scummy.

Razz is the other one. No reason for their vote,just a follow along but being a noob I'll keep an eye on them.


I plan on keeping an open mind and see how the day pans out before making a final call.
Here, Ice mentions DD as being his main suspect (of course he's watching the newb too... lol), and yet at the time of this posting, maintains a lone vote on Noods. Doesn't make sense Ice. I think you're protecting your leader. I'm tempted to start calling you Max, and tie an antler to your head. You'll be pulling DD's sled down to Whoville soon enough. :nono:

Rich why are you going after those on Jm and not the ones on yourself? Seems somewhat backwards as the only reason you survived the night was the luck of a coin flip.

Why is everyone just looking at the Jm train. There were just as many players on the Rich train.
Rich and Noodles and now Jb all mention scrutinizing the Jm train. Do they not want us looking at the Rich train?

I don't have a problem looking at any train leaving the station. But as it turned out, I've had a terribly limited amount of time so I had to pick my targets. Do you not want us to look at the Jm train? Hmmm...

I see how this goes. You hit Kash and act like a noob would do that even though I'd expect a Vet to do that. Then try to take out via lynch another loud mouth innocent so you can then hit a innocent that is among the quiet ones to throw off the scent.


I'm not worried about 2 votes,especially not your 2. I do find it funny that both of you are on the Rich train that I'm trying to get others to look at. Get nervous did we?

I can see why Noods is freaking. I have what I feel is a pretty good case but I want to see her crack more, her vote for me will not stop me from voting her if need be. She is my top suspect after last nights escapade.

Noods remind me what was so scummy about Rich that you thought a vote his way was better then sitting as a lone vote on Day 1?

Fire same question to you- what was so scummy about Rich that you thought a vote his way was better then sitting as a lone vote on Day 1?

Zaffy why Rich over anyone else? What was the scum tell?




TRS you say you went away for the weekend,1 day does not equate to a weekend and then someone said they saw you online at 3 PM Sunday. See below,Agi caught you online.



I'll give you that the train hadn't really started on Rich yet BUT you could have switched your vote to someone you thought was actually evil if you were in fact looking for evil.
Ice, why is it that DD has been (seemingly) toward the top of your suspect list since day 1, but you have not seen fit to put a vote on her or even gather evidence?

Ok its halftime but in reality the game is over. Sorry Skin fans LMAO.





So Rich isn't on Noods 1st list, no time does she mention Rich as a suspect.



Here she hopes we are right,even mentions the train.




She feels good about a vote on a person she had no suspicions on? Only reason she jumped on was to make it a race between Rich and Jm? At this time Fire had been a no show. Noods even posted about it. Think maybe Noods was hedging on Fire not showing up and tying Rich with Jm?



I don't see how its better to vote to tie on someone that showed no scumminess vs someone who did by trying to link players together as evil by using a question asked by Zsand.




Was hoping for more input from other players by now.


You can consider this an OMGUS vote if you like though I did mention Noods as a suspect before she voted me. I think its the reason she actually voted me to begin with so she can claim I OMGUS her.

I vote to lynch Noodles.
And so you'll leave a lone vote on a player who no one else even seems to suspect. Sounds like pro town behavior to me... oh wait, no it doesn't. Why not just join the good elves and vote DD out. We could let you paint the toy trains or something...

Are you saying Rich is evil? If so why are you switching your Day 1 vote from him to me.
If there is only 1 mafia on Jm and its me then where are the other ones? If I was the only mafia then that means 4 innocents are on that train, not good risks that you're right.
I think because I called you 2 out that is why you are calling me out plain and simple. You guys OMGUS my call out post. That is plain and simple.
Wow, plain and simple. I guess that's it then... :nono:

I whole heartedly feel that DD and Ice are on the same team. It seems to me that DD has been posting a lot, but not really putting herself at much risk. She's leaving that to her little elf... Max... I mean Ice. My vote for tonight will stay on DD. Tomorrow night, I hope to see Ice atop the christmas tree.

We'll see how it goes. I may not be around for nightfall, but I don't have to work tonight, so I can promise I WILL be back... :laugh:.
 
It surprises me that this close to nightfall there are still 4 single votes out there... Just something that got me thinking.

Come on Ice, show us you're not on the same team and vote DD. You've mentioned her as a suspect enough.

DD... trying to hide out with a single useless vote? meh... Grinchy thing to do...

Dawg and Fire, I Have no read on your roles, but Your votes don't help the town being out there all alone.
 
Nice work JB. I am on my way out of the office but wanted to check the thread first!

I agree with your summation except I switch Ice and DD around. I know in my little Who heart that Ice is the grinch that stole my tree!
 
Nice work JB. I am on my way out of the office but wanted to check the thread first!

I agree with your summation except I switch Ice and DD around. I know in my little Who heart that Ice is the grinch that stole my tree!

I would be with you on that Noods, and I had them that way at first. When I really started going back through though, I noticed that Ice was taking more of a stand, while DD was putting stuff out there but in a more subtle way. I think she's trying to lie in the shadows so that she can still get a hit in tonight without being lynched. At this point I feel like I'm putting myself on the block for the hit, but I've put out there what I can to help santa and the good little boys and girls. I really think that if we get rid of DD, we won't see a hit tonight from the green, tiny hearted, pouty, mt. crumpet living DD.

Basically, since it seems to be common thought that they are on the same team, I think Ice it sacrificing himself for his boss... DangerDoll. My spidey senses are really tingling on this one.

And thanks Noods! :popcorn:
 
Ps... Noods, if you agree, why has your vote not switched? Hmmm...
 
LOL... sorry Noods, I had a senior moment. I'm better now.
 
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