Mafia 62- The Play

[Lab_Rat]

Since I feel like a dead townie walking here, I'm going to explain why I've posted what I have posted. Maybe this will clear up some questions you all have about me. If you have more questions, feel free to ask.

I've gone back and read over my posts, and trying to look at them from another point of view I can see where I seem to be all over the place, going in 50 directions at once. I do a random vote, say Alex is a low poster, ask a bunch about JL, kick around at Ag, kick around at jpap, note that jb hadn't contributed much, etc etc etc. I can see how that seems totally random and like I'm trying to cause confusion.

The irony of that situation is I'm really trying to sort things out. I am posting thoughts, theories, and suspicions as they arise. I'm using the thread as a sounding board. It has worked for me in the past when I've been innocent but obviously it is not a good move here. My random thoughts and trying to pull things together out in the open have made you all think I'm muddying the waters. The funny thing is it appears I muddy the waters less when I'm actually mafia and trying to do so than when I'm innocent trying to sort things out. :nilly:

I will admit, I can get OMGUSy. My thought on JL being mafia was more that than anything else. My quick vote for jpap after nightfall was also OMGUS, but he has also been a suspect of mine consistently (yes, I know he couldn't have known Ag was detective, that was more of me being OMGURSy). I just couldn't decide who was evil between him and Ag, we know now that Ag is innocent.

I still cannot see why I was jumped on for my random vote on Alex. It meant nothing. I was only trying to help out the town when I pointed out he was a low poster regardless of his role. I'd planed on changing my vote when something better emerged, I could have easily picked Razz or JL since neither of them had posted and I was simply selecting among the three who had yet to show up to the party. Wouldn't it have helped the town to know last game that I am usually quite a high poster?

So, I shall keep my random thoughts and theories to myself as they are currently getting me lynched. I hope you townies can see why I've posted what I've posted and the manner in which I've posted.

My top mafia suspects:
Noods: for reasons I've mentioned, my gut just tells me your mafia
jpap: for grilling Ag, and continuing with it, even after making him seem suspicious to many. That is not something a townie would do imo.
Dawg: the banter and distancing with Noods in the beginning just sends off alarm bells


The readers digest version of the above post: When I'm mafia people think I'm innocent, when I'm innocent people think I'm mafia...:huh:

 

[Lab_Rat]

I'm not looking one way and voting another. I'm looking both ways, if I had two votes I'd give one to both jpap and Noods. And I'm not attempting to blame jpap for lynching the detective, I am blaming jpap for the results of this nights lynch. (Also blame Ag some as he should have defended himself or even revealed he was detective).

This was me totally being OMGUSy.

Were you so focused on trying to get rid of someone you deem dangerous to your survival that you honestly missed that I was the 1st vote on Ag and that it wasn't Jpap?


Heh you used odds last game and were mafia. I think its more telling to claim you can't be mafia then it is to claim innocence.

I did not miss it Ice, but it wasn't something that really stuck out to me until I was thinking about it more. I just wanted to bring it back up in case one of my fellow townies missed it. Also, it was not me who brought odds into the last game, that was JB. He was trying to use it against both Zaffy and me.

Feeling any better about my posting now, Labby? :silly:



The beautiful part of this game is while this is an excellent point if you're a townie, it's also an excellent defense if you're scum. :wall:

Yes, I am feeling better about your posting. You're one of the ones I'm leaning towards trusting. I hope it's not misplaced. Your second point is quite true as well.

Labby... this post caught my attention. It may be because I'm tired and skimming, but can you give the readers digest version of why you suspect the 3 you mentioned? You must be awefully confident to bet your fish... I'd like to see your perspective.

When I said I'd bet my fish that 2/3 of Noods, Dawg, and JL were mafia, I was mainly focused on Noods and Dawg. Noods odd behavior, not committing at all to anything, downplaying her change in posting habits, repeated claims of busyness (which could very well be true, I've got a ton to do as well but this is GREAT procrastination and I love to procrastinate) all tell me something is off. My reasons for suspecting Dawg were his early interactions/distancing from Noods, her distancing response, and then how he jumped in with JL and Noods to build a case against me. It was an excellent opportunity for him to do so if he's mafia as he knows I am innocent. So if I'm wrong, what fish do you want me to send you? Choices are CA, SA, Vics, Malawi, or Tang cichlids, or various community fish. But I'm pretty darn confident I won't have to send you any...

 

[Lab_Rat]

Jpap
Lab-innocent townie
DD
Michwol42795
Ag-Detective
Kash-innocent townie
Rich
Ice
AlexW-innocent townie
Zaffy
JL
Noodles
Dawg
ZSandman
JB
Razz

Of the above, the ones who I trust the most are as follows:
Zaffy-I totally agree with jpap baiting Ag. You haven't said anything that has struck me as scummy
Jbradt-You seem to be really helping the town, trying to find mafia scum
Zsand-I get no scummy vibe from you (I am sure someone is going to point out that Z is one of the few that hasn't listed me on their suspect list so I'll go ahead and point that out myself).

 

[jbradt]

This was me totally being OMGUSy.



I did not miss it Ice, but it wasn't something that really stuck out to me until I was thinking about it more. I just wanted to bring it back up in case one of my fellow townies missed it. Also, it was not me who brought odds into the last game, that was JB. He was trying to use it against both Zaffy and me.

And look how that turned out. I wasn't trying to use it against Zaffy and you, I was using it... you were both mafia. I just didn't follow through enough with the logic.

Yes, I am feeling better about your posting. You're one of the ones I'm leaning towards trusting. I hope it's not misplaced. Your second point is quite true as well.

LOL... ironically, the fact that you're agreeing with me is slightly disconcerting... :help:

When I said I'd bet my fish that 2/3 of Noods, Dawg, and JL were mafia, I was mainly focused on Noods and Dawg. Noods odd behavior, not committing at all to anything, downplaying her change in posting habits, repeated claims of busyness (which could very well be true, I've got a ton to do as well but this is GREAT procrastination and I love to procrastinate) all tell me something is off. My reasons for suspecting Dawg were his early interactions/distancing from Noods, her distancing response, and then how he jumped in with JL and Noods to build a case against me. It was an excellent opportunity for him to do so if he's mafia as he knows I am innocent. So if I'm wrong, what fish do you want me to send you? Choices are CA, SA, Vics, Malawi, or Tang cichlids, or various community fish. But I'm pretty darn confident I won't have to send you any...

As for the posting habits thing, I have to give the benefit of the doubt on that one. I know that real life issues have prohibited my posting a bit, and I have to grant the same liberty to others. I have though noticed some interesting things in nood's posting. Mostly in content. At some point later, I'm going to look through those and try to find more specifics. I haven't looked much into Dawg either. I'll have to add him to the list. I'll be honest though, if you're grasping at straws here, it's going to be a tough decision which way to go.

 

[noodles62]

Well, to start with I retract my vote for Labby. While I am not taking her off of my list, I need to look deeper and at other players before I place a vote. My vote last night was a bit of a knee jerk reaction.

(and Lab, as far as my "posting style/count"-if you recall the other game we played together it was also noted that I was quieter then usual and I was innocent so not sure how that is indicative of anything)

As for Dawg and I distancing, I am not seeing that at all. I have no idea what Dawg's role is so I dont need to distance from him. if you are referring to his joke vote to get me talking, that is really grasping at straws!

DD is extremely quiet this time, Could be real life issues with her too but still no real input; I am also surprised that she was not Jpap's day one vote. I think that is extremely out of the ordinary! Could be something to look into further.
The way Jpap seemed to set up Ag is discerning to say the least. I know there were others that obviously found Ag suspicious but JP could not seem to let up.....

I had hoped to get all the way thru the list but I will have to continue this later. I have to go pay bills on my lunch break. ugh!
(Payday - in one hand, out the other!):cry:

 

[Lab_Rat]

I don't feel like I'm grasping at straws, I am telling you guys the truth as to why I've posted what I've posted. This will become evident when I'm lynched. I may be wrong about you Noods, I may be wrong about Dawg, but so far that's what sticks out to me (besides jpap baiting Ag). I'll be the first to admit I'm not a great player as a townie when I can't communicate. Gets me all :nilly: when I don't know whats going on. That is an area I need to refine in future games.

 

[Lab_Rat]

LOL... ironically, the fact that you're agreeing with me is slightly disconcerting... :help:

I'm agreeing with you because I trust you more than most of the others. Why is that disconcerting? I gave you the list of my top innocent choices.

 

[RazzleFish]

I find it odd that now that Lab is on a lot of lists and then she suddenly agrees with JB (not on anyones list). I kind of think that could be mafia trying to hide with an innocent (maybe innocent). I agree that DD is very quiet but again, I don't know whats up.

My list in order:
Lab
Jpap
DD/Ice

 

[jpappy789]

Ok, here is the interaction between me and Agass. Hopefully this clears things up...

Red flags, for me, when this word gets tossed around...

Here is where I quoted Agass' post about random voting. As I already explained his was the latest to use the word so I just took his as an example.

It grabbed my attention but that was about it. I wasn't going to equate the people who used the word (Rich, Zaffy, Agass) as mafia just for that.

Since you have said something, I will change my vote.

I retract my vote on Razz and vote to lynch JL

Out of the two people who haven't shown up yet, JL seems like a better choice to me. I've played games with AlexW before and he is always quiet no matter what role he has. Not sure if JL is normally quiet or not.

Here Agass switches to JL.

That is why I wanted Zaffy to clarify that his vote is random and I also would like to know how he exactly was given your name. I see a difference between throwing a joke vote and voting "randomly" which is rather vague. I think its a great way for a mafia to vote just because they have to...



First vote switch AND I believe the first person to double up a vote. If this doesn't draw attention than nothing does.

Here is where I make note of Agass's vote hop. I thought it was odd being so early.

Not only the 1st switch but this is the 2nd time he has posted that Alex is usually quiet.

I retract my bogus vote on Zaffy and vote to lynch Agi.


I don't know why a random vote would be switched just because that player showed up. Was it not random Agi? Was your vote going to actually stay on Razz if they didn't show up? Your vote was placed right after Rich said something about random votes so I'm assuming it was random.

Ice starts questioning Agass about the switch and votes for him.

My vote was going to stay on Razz if he didn't show up. It was not a random vote. I decided I was going to place my vote on someone who hadn't posted yet. Since Razz posted, my vote changed to another who hasn't posted.

Agass answers Ice saying that he would have stayed on Razz even if he never showed up.

The good ol' "lynch a UD victim" debate comes back from the dead...what purpose does voting for a player who may die serve?

I asked why he would find that helpful.

Ag, I have another question...you say that Alex is normally quiet so you change your vote to JL. Are you basically assuming that JL is a talkative player?

(He usually is, by the way)

I then try to find out why he chose JL over Alex if he said he didn't know how JL played.

Yes, I am assuming the he is a talkative player.

Agass' response.

Alright. That's what I thought, but I have to wonder why you just didn't wait for someone to comment before making your decision. Instead you assumed JL was talkative. There was no reason to switch to someone in the first place, you could have just retracted your vote.

Could you also address why voting for someone who would UD is at all helpful?

I question why he had to move to anyone in the first place and repeat my other question.

Well, now that I gave that some more thought, I'd have to say it doesn't. It's just a wasted vote.

I retract my vote from JL....

Will read through the thread again and think about this some more before voting again.

Agass retracts and is apparently convinced.

How convenient.

I retract my vote on Ice

Agass is turning out to be a very interesting player in my mind, I could even go as far to say he's Day 1 vote material. Right now he is the one who has most of my attention.

I found this to be way too convenient and started thinking about Agass being my top suspect.

My logic in that was if they are not posting, they could be laying low and are planning on showing up on the last day and make up some reason why they were gone. Easy way to avoid Day 1 lynch.

I assumed JL was a talkative player based on the old game threads I have read on this site.

Here Agass says he assumed JL was talkative based off of reading old games. This struck me as odd because they had played at least one game together.

Except for the fact that they easily become a target the next day. Not to mention you are basically saying that the person is lying about any RL issues that prevented them from being on the site. Not something that is easy to prove to the town.

Now that I think about it, I don't think anyone has read their PM and automatically gone MIA because they were assigned mafia. And since JL hasn't even been logged on to AC since Monday, I doubt he even has seen his PM...



I was actually just going to bring up the point that you've played at least one game with JL when we were all evil. I'm still not sure why you had to assume JL is a talkative player, but maybe I'm just picky with words.

Here I mention the fact that Agass was on an evil team with JL.

Agass, how distinctly do you remember the game when you were mafia with JL?

I was wondering how much Agass followed that game so I asked.

I remember that I didn't post much. Just looked at the post count for that thread and I had 4 posts. Other then that, I don't really remember much. I wasn't paying too much attention in that game.

His response.

Just curious as to why JL, if mafia, would suddenly become quiet. Quite unlike he was in that game, in which he was mafia.

I didn't understand why Agass had to assume anything about JL since I distinctly remember JL leading posts in both the game forum and our mafia den.

Little things added up to why I voted for Agass. Maybe I pushed too hard but I don't see why that makes me mafia, especially since I do this every game.

 

[jpappy789]

I'm agreeing with you because I trust you more than most of the others. Why is that disconcerting? I gave you the list of my top innocent choices.

Odd wording here...so are you saying that you agree with Jb just because you trust him? Would you not have to agree with the logic he used first? :screwy:

I'm getting some feelings of deja vu here...its weird that you're cuddling up to Jb after one night because you "trust" him. As far as I can tell he's been helpful as of late but that means nothing to me.

You also have listed...

Zaffy- because he agrees with you and no scummy feelings
Zsand- because no scummy feelings

The fist thought that pops into my head is that you are trying to align yourself with other innocents. What about Razz, Rich, Michwol, or DD? I haven't seen you mention those people as potential scum but you don't seem to trust them.