Mafia 65: Masons and Mafia (Game Thread)

[Fishfriend1]

I can see your point about FF. Also about Dawg.

I agree Razz and Kash both need to step up and give us some thoughts. Hiding, especially in this games format is very suspicious to me.

What are your thoughts about how defensive JL became when linked to FF?

What about how Tex also listed Dawg and JL then voted with JL on Dawg?

Tex I'd like an explanation about that from you as well.

I agree with Wiz, DD has nothing but fluff posts. I know its hard to be committed especially on Day 1 but you have to have some kind of thought. Or do you just plan on voting with the masses?

I'm not ready to pull my vote off FF. His answers really don't put me at ease that he is in fact innocent.His answers almost seem like he has no answer to the question and is beating around the bush.

I remember thinking "this guy is evil" not why, sorry about that, it was spanish class, i was busy.

I see you down there FF, want to add anything?

Maybe answer my question to you in the post below

IceH20
"Not an acceptable answer. You could have voted for your 2nd suspect without having to vote with either suspect.

What puts Dawg ahead of JL? From what I can tell its because he defended JL by going after you.
If that is the case then what does it matter which one is lynched to you? The fact that you vote with JL against Dawg and then Tex did the same makes me even more confident that JL got stuck with you and Tex."

I was still thinking don and accomplice type thing sorry. Still no one wants to be at risk of elimination so going with JL is the only way. And since ur gonna ask how that puts me at risk is then i have 3 votes and dawg has 3 vote, and i know im innocent so dawg is the unknown hence my vote on him not a useless one on a guy with no votes yet.

Dawg has attempted to link me and FF and asked me my thoughts about what FF had said -



I answered his questions, I thought very well.

This is what bothered me -



Why am I included in any of this? How has dawg linked me and FF? From what?



I don't think I have been defensive or jumpy. I have been posting. The references to me "freaking out" are false.

As of right now, Dawg and Ice have me and FF linked together as teamates based on nothing but posts from FF. I think they are attempting to get me lynched. Even Ice knows that dawg has messed up trying to say FF and I have talked outside of the game. What ever FF is, it has nothing to do with me. Anyone saying anything different should be watched.

At this point I am also concerned with the lack of voting and posting by quite a number of people. It appears the vocal players are going to be the top suspects.

If u have been posting then what have i been doing?
Im not entirly sure how my posts link us together either.

 

[IceH2O]

As of right now, Dawg and Ice have me and FF linked together as teamates based on nothing but posts from FF. I think they are attempting to get me lynched. Even Ice knows that dawg has messed up trying to say FF and I have talked outside of the game. What ever FF is, it has nothing to do with me. Anyone saying anything different should be watched.

At this point I am also concerned with the lack of voting and posting by quite a number of people. It appears the vocal players are going to be the top suspects.

Where did I say that?


FF I'm not going to quote your post because its a bit messed up the way you just copied my post into your post.

If you had voted for JL instead of Dawg it would have been Dawg 3 FF 2 and JL 2, if Tex had also voted a suspect and not with a suspect then it would have been JL 3 Dawg 2 and FF 2. I was on JL at the time of your vote so it wouldn't have been a useless vote on a lone guy at that point.

 

[IceH2O]

Just to put this out there since we're at odds on the FF/JL thing.

Of the players not posting who would you guys vote for? Maybe we'd be better off voting one of them and scare the others into posting.

Annie
Tex
Kash
Razz
Zaffy
Wiz
DD

None of them has cracked double digits except DD and most of her posts are fluff.

I'm willing to vote Tex Razz Kash DD Annie Wiz Zaffy in that order.

 

[dirtydawg10]

I can't shake the feeling that we're chasing our tail with focusing on FF so much. Like I said before, comparing his play between his first game when he was mafia and deliberately trying to muddy the waters with the last his last game, where he was innocent, I feel he is playing more like he did when he was innocent. What I think is much more interesting/important are the reactions he is getting from people. Namely Dawg, and to a lesser extent, JL.

I can't say I blame JL for reacting the way he has...I would probably be a bit :crazy: too if I were tied in to FF. So I can understand why he has said what he's said. His reaction concerns me much less than Dawg's reaction.

What I've seen from Dawg has been opportunistic behavior one would not expect from an innocent. He's grabbed onto FF and gnawed on that bone this entire time. A behavior I would expect from mafia scum, try to keep the focus off your teammates and get an innocent lynched. He's twisted what FF has said all around (not that it was clear in the first place) and I feel he is muddying the waters. I have not gotten the slightest pro-town vibe from Dawg. I'm pretty happy with my vote on him at this point.

I'm interested to hear from Kash, I don't think she's posted much yet. Dag, I don't understand your reasoning for voting FF, care to explain more why you think he's scummy?

I can't shake the feeling that certain people don't want anyone to focus on FF. What is the reasoning behind that? If you notice the votes LR, people are focusing on me. I'm leading the lynch vote count.

What really is bugging me right now, is Dawg's insistence that JL and FF were (are) communicating. I think that's a really weak thing to be pushing right now given that a mason could just as easily slip up, especially someone who plays like FF.

Dawg, could you also please read my post (#145) on how FF came to the conclusion that he did. I personally think it's pretty obvious that FF just has a weird way of rewording what people have said. I cannot, however, explain the other odd things FF has said...ie, why he assumed I was innocent.

Dag's vote on FF seems really convenient given the fact that FF has been pushed around a lot this game. His only reasoning is based on FF's gamestyle despite the fact he acknowledges that FF is playing like normal. I do have to say that it would be a perfect plan for the mafia, or even the masons, to keep FF out in the open and actually away from the noose because he's played so spastic in every game. The problem is, there's no way of knowing that so I find using that reasoning to be weak and convenient given the circumstances.

Razz is about the only one who has yet to get into the game. Kash posted some theory at least. Tex voted, granted, the timing seemed off to me. Annie apparently is busy...what's there to be so silent about, Razz?

I read your previous post JPap and I can see where you are coming from but I'm more concerned with FF right now and why several people are trying to defend him for his poor posting and sketchy play style. If FF is in fact innocent his play style is not helping the town. It's causing confusion as usual.

The thing is it's not just the post I saw as him being linked to JL that has me voting him. It is also his posting about your innocence and then he does it again and comes out to say he didn't say JL was mafia. He keeps clarifying things that he didn't actually say and I think something is up with that.

I'm not making anything, I really think FF's posting does not indicate one way or another what he is. JL's reaction doesn't ring scum bells with me since I think I'd probably react in a similar way if FF had twisted my words in that manner. I am not leaning either one way or the other, there are others I'm wanting to lean more towards the scummy side than these two.

Tell me Ice, you don't find the opportunistic way that Dawg has attacked FF, and continues to keep at it, scummy? I don't remember this as a typical style of play for Dawg. Seems off. Much more so than anything with the FF/JL scenario. I also find Dag's vote on FF to be opportunistic and greatly lacking a good reason for the vote. If he'd back it up with something more solid then it wouldn't worry me as much. My guess at this point is to lean both of these players as mafia, with the idea that they think FF will be an easy lynch since his posts are quite easy to manipulate.

I think we're wasting too much time microanalyzing what a typically spastic player has said. I think most of us have played with him before so his posting has not alarmed me. If he is mafia, he's made great strides in his playing ability. I don't have confidence that has occurred at this point.

JL did not react to FF twisting his words until I mentioned it. That's the problem I see. It's almost as if he wanted it to be breezed over. I saw it so I brought it up. I don't like when issues get breezed over.

 

[jpappy789]

I'd have to say my order's about the same...after Tex and Razz it gets pretty irrelevant since I don't have a read on any of the people listed.

 

[jpappy789]

^That was to Ice.

 

[Lab_Rat]

Just to put this out there since we're at odds on the FF/JL thing.

Of the players not posting who would you guys vote for? Maybe we'd be better off voting one of them and scare the others into posting.

Annie
Tex
Kash
Razz
Zaffy
Wiz
DD

None of them has cracked double digits except DD and most of her posts are fluff.

I'm willing to vote Tex Razz Kash DD Annie Wiz Zaffy in that order.

Any reason you left Dag off your list Ice? He's only had 8 posts.

If I had to put them in order for who I'd vote for at this point in time it would have to be like this:
1.) (tie) Dag : His vote falls in line with my top suspect right now. Plus his reason for voting FF was totally weak.
1.) (tie) Razz: Has snuck by as mafia scum by not posting previously...it's his MO
3.) DD: What I've seen posted is all fluff.
4.) Kash: Posted a seemingly helpful post then disappeared. I'd expect more from her
5.) Annie: Any thoughts Annie? I know you had a birthday party but surely it's not still going on.
6.) Zaffy: Showed up for a brief discussion, hasn't been back since.
7.) Wiz: Has posted more thoughtful posts than any of the others above, but has yet to put his own theories out there...taking a wait and see approach.
8.) Tex: Still a noob, may be trying to refrain from making noob mistakes like last game so I'll cut him a little slack. I'd hate to lynch him for simply being an intimidated noob.

I hope you're not trying to trick me into anything Ice, this is just my working list based on what I've seen so far in this game. I do not trust anyone at this point and still think Dawg has the scummiest behavior so far. Still haven't seen anything to make me want to move my vote off of him.

 

[jpappy789]

Lab, does it not bother you that FF and Tex are on almost the exact same page...well, as close as one can get when it comes to FF...???

 

[dirtydawg10]

Dawg has attempted to link me and FF and asked me my thoughts about what FF had said -



I answered his questions, I thought very well.

This is what bothered me -



Why am I included in any of this? How has dawg linked me and FF? From what?



I don't think I have been defensive or jumpy. I have been posting. The references to me "freaking out" are false.

As of right now, Dawg and Ice have me and FF linked together as teamates based on nothing but posts from FF. I think they are attempting to get me lynched. Even Ice knows that dawg has messed up trying to say FF and I have talked outside of the game. What ever FF is, it has nothing to do with me. Anyone saying anything different should be watched.

At this point I am also concerned with the lack of voting and posting by quite a number of people. It appears the vocal players are going to be the top suspects.

You and several others have a problem with me linking you and FF as a team. So what do you, JPap and LR think about FF linking me and you?? Isn't that multiple times more bizarre to you? I understand it is FF but people need to stop skimming and ignoring his posts. If it takes me being lynched for people to look at him then so be it.

 

[Lab_Rat]

I can't shake the feeling that certain people don't want anyone to focus on FF. What is the reasoning behind that? If you notice the votes LR, people are focusing on me. I'm leading the lynch vote count.


I read your previous post JPap and I can see where you are coming from but I'm more concerned with FF right now and why several people are trying to defend him for his poor posting and sketchy play style. If FF is in fact innocent his play style is not helping the town. It's causing confusion as usual.

The thing is it's not just the post I saw as him being linked to JL that has me voting him. It is also his posting about your innocence and then he does it again and comes out to say he didn't say JL was mafia. He keeps clarifying things that he didn't actually say and I think something is up with that.



JL did not react to FF twisting his words until I mentioned it. That's the problem I see. It's almost as if he wanted it to be breezed over. I saw it so I brought it up. I don't like when issues get breezed over.

I don't want to focus too much on FF due the fact that he's playing like he did last game when he was indeed innocent, not like he did when he was scum the game prior. While I agree that if he's innocent he's not actually doing much to help the town, I think he really is trying to help the town. I think if he were mafia scum he'd be throwing out all sorts of crazy accusations, like he did two games ago.

I am glad people are focusing on you, Dawg. Your behavior towards FF has been quite scummy looking in my eyes. I think you and JL should be scrutinized. From what I can tell, JL did not react to FF's craziness until you brought it up. I see you making a mountain out of a molehill with that entire situation. It looked like JL was taking FF's word twisting with a grain of salt...you jumped in there and made a massive case out of it. Why are you trying so hard to get FF lynched? Do you indeed know he is an innocent? I would expect someone with as much experience in this game to not have made a production of FF's posts unless you had ulterior, evil motives.