Mafia 66: Farmers versus the Railroad - the play

dirtydawg10 said:
You are correct...I guess I was exaggerating a bit. I was thinking more along the lines of what I stated before. If Kash turns up as the immigrant worker Noods goes and Lab drops on the suspect list. If Kash turns up evil I would think Lab would go next. The voting lines could be quite helpful down the road once we know what Noods and/or Kash are. Of course that last part is true in most cases.
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I always get a little nervous narrowing down the field to a 2 horse race so early on though. Do we want to risk that it's neither at the cost of 2 nights wasted voting while the RR scum potentially recruit farmers? It seems sooooo risky at this point to believe we've got anyone pegged for any role. We don't even know how many of whom there are. Crap, in most games we don't know anything, and in this one we even know less than that... nicely done JL! :thumbsup:.

:middlefingersmiley: :rofl:
 
Well, I was hoping by retracting my Noodles vote earlier that this might set that subject aside for awhile to let other points of discussion formulate so we'd have more suspects (than my own) up for consideration. I see that hasn't happened, though... you've all been poking the same thing around instead of looking anywhere else.

I'm on the thread now and will be pulling some posts to give you the replies I wasn't able to get to earlier today.
 
dirtydawg10 said:
I just went back and looked at some previous posting and based on what was discussed in the sign up thread I'm guessing there are 4-RR, 4-Farmers, 4-Secret Council and 2 immigrant workers (who could be Kash and LR and they both know what Noods is for that reason) :thud:
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dirtydawg10 said:
I retract my vote for Kash

Now I think I know why Kash and LR may have wanted to keep Noods around even though they know what she is (if they are implying the truth). I need to do some more thinking and check back in tomorrow.
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You're making a lot of assumptions here Dawg...
 
a few things to consider and need to get answers to before i reread and cross check posts.

Ok I do understand the concept of kicking bushes and seeing what scurries out.

That being said, I have never played with noods before so I cannot judge her reaction to Kashta.

However, I have noticed that she keeps coming back to it even when she is no longer being questioned about it. :huh:

Labby, you came up with 5, yes count them 5 theories on the subject of kashta/noods. (impressive)

Yet you quickly drop 4 of them and refuse to see any merit in any of them being right. :duh:

You even go so far as to say it is fact that you are right. You state that you are thoroughly convinced noods is scum and then vote to lynch coler because he questioned Kashta's evaluation of the scenario.

Why, if you are convinced someone is scum would you vote someone else? You only changed your vote after caving in to pressure from others calling you on your theory.

DD is sounding like the voice of reason this go round. (another curve ball thrown at me)

FF isn't posting a flurry of nonsense.

I have to agree this is going to be a long game.

Let me ask this, we have those calling Kashta scummy for going after noods so hard so early. We had Dawg doing the same thing last time with JL and FF. Jl turned up innocent as did Dawg after he got lynched for it.

I have not played with Coler and haven't seen much from him.

Nor have I played with Odin.

My dilemma is that I have to vote before I go to work in the morning to avoid UD.

I haven't seen enough to sway me one way or the other yet. I will have to go back through and reread to see if I can make sense of it all.
 
I came back again to this post, Pappy, because I'm noticing a trend from you in this game that I haven't seen or didn't notice before. I wonder now if you're aware that you're doing this?

I'll get to your later posts, well, later... because as I remember reading them before you based part of your vote against me on the claim that I'm contradicting myself.... as in whether or not my vote was random. That's another topic I'll address when I get there, too.

This is a side-topic, of course, but I've seen you do this 3 times already and wanted to point this out now before I forget to come back to it.

In this post, you say in the first paragraph that you don't believe we should guess about how JL sent out the PMs....

jpappy789 said:
Kashta, I just don't see how that works without just guessing as to how JL sent out the PMs. Not to mention the order has no bearing on the role the person was assigned since thats all random in the first place. Noods should know about not posting before the mod says "Game on" or even before roles are sent out, but hey...it's Noods ;)

The time stamp for my PM was 2:42 PM and Noods posted 10 minutes before that. If the PM's went out as fast as you're implying then I must have been one of the last people even though I'm third on the player list and I'm assuming JL just went in order (that's what I do). Although, he could have grouped teams into one PM, but again that would just be an assumption. I could see it being statistically possible but I hate when people try to guess the mod's intentions.

I just don't think that's a relevant reason to vote, even if it's just to get things started...that's a fall back excuse anyways.
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Then in the following paragraph right after... that's exactly what you've done.

You speculate about this a lot, actually. Posted time stamps... wondered about what order JL might send them out in... commented about how/why you do whatever you do when you mod a game... suggested grouping players according to teams... talk about statistical possibilities. Then you end the post by saying how much you hate it when people try to guess what the mod is doing.

If that is a discussion you feel is irrelevant to this game... which I agreed with you on that point before and the game mod's methodology had nothing to do with my vote anyway........ then why type out all that speculation after all? I don't get that. In one breath, you negate any usefulness for that line of thinking. Then in the next, you do on your own what you've just said we shouldn't bother doing at all.
 
jpappy789 said:
I agree that Noods tends to show her evil side more often than not and can be overly defensive and OMGUSy...we've caught her more than a couple times on that. But seriously Kash, your vote was rather early and not based off some joke when that's what D1 usually is...I would see myself in the same position after being called scum for a trivial matter. This just doesn't seem to be the same defensive Noods as when she is evil. There's a lot more drama than there is now...lol
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I differ with your opinion here on two points.

First, that my early vote is not based off some joke. Okay, that's true. It wasn't a joke that prompted me to vote Noodles so fast. But so what? Who says we're not allowed to vote our primary suspect (if we have one) whenever the heck we want to?

If there's a mafia game rulebook somewhere that tells us Day 1 votes are always supposed to be made on people cracking jokes in the game, then I haven't seen it. Maybe you could show me that reference.

Next... Seriously, Pappy?

Your game style and Noodles' game style is totally different. In all the games we've played together, I don't believe I've ever seen you become overly defensively or OMGUSsy over any Day 1 vote. Or, when someone's just called you scummy over something you think is trivial. On the contrary, your behavior and your personality in these games is much more collected and controlled than to overreact like that at all. So here, I fail to see any relative or meaningful point to this comparison between you and Noodles, whatsoever.
 
Well from going back through the thread, it looks like a 2 horse race between Kashta and Labby.

I did notice what on the surface appears to be a pretty well organized drive at Labby. (did I just say that?)

What jumps out at me is DD(not playing as she normally does),JB,JPappy and Dawg all going on at Labby for her theories.

While I admit that I too question how she could be so convinced this early. I have seen some gifted players needling at one that from personal observation in past games caves under pressure.

Could this be a tactic to lesson the odds against them?

A random vote would be wasted and viewed as scummy. Yet I am less inclined to think LR is scum now than when I last posted.

Hell of a format and game so far JL :worthy:
 
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