Mafia 66: Farmers versus the Railroad - the play

Yeah, it bugged me when Noods put that vote on him so I wanted to put that out there in light of the fact that everyone knows she's scum now. I don't feel as strongly about Odin as I do Wiz, I don't think it's worth lynching him over at this moment. If he shows up and last minute votes then I think we have our answer...or at least a better idea of his allegiance.

Odin, are you still playing? If you are, please post your thoughts...
I agree with the bolded thought. If he pops in with another quick vote, I think there's a really good chance he's a RRer.

Interesting that Dag stated he'd tell FF not to talk if they were on a team... I wonder if he'd give (or gave) the same advice to Odin?
 
I agree with the bolded thought. If he pops in with another quick vote, I think there's a really good chance he's a RRer.

Interesting that Dag stated he'd tell FF not to talk if they were on a team... I wonder if he'd give (or gave) the same advice to Odin?

Maybe, but I don't get the feeling Dag is on a scum team. If he was he would have taken any chance to tear into me or discredit me that he could have (gotta love little brothers). Of course it would have been in a subtle manner, but nothing he's posted has seemed scummy to me and his posts, though few, have seemed pro-town.
 
Dag

next up... Dag.

woot game on ( . )( . )!! the whole early post / vote thing is almost semi interesting but I'm not sure if there is anything to really gain from it. The only post that semi interested me was


Obviously if Kashta knew that noods was evil would be for the reason that they are both evil. However if they were both evil would it stand to reason that kashta wouldn't have brought up the whole matter and just let it pass unless someone else took notice of it? However if noods really did slip in my mind it seems to reason that Coler's horrible defense was a slip up also. It really is early in the game to have solid reasoning to vote for someone but there is always solid reasoning for defending another person and that is you are on the same team as that person.

The Lack of FF posts is quite amazing. Usually he has 17 posts at this point in the game and another 3 saying how great he is for posting so much. After last game perhaps he is going for a new strategy of actually shutting his mouth till he has some input that doesn't scream scum (funny thing is even when he's innocent or a good guy the posts scream scum :P )?

Side note the orlando international airport while it's nice they have free internet they might have the most uncomfortable chairs known to man. On a good day the padding for the chairs might be 1/8 inch thick.
Okay... not much here that screams scum really. But I can't get over the fact that again we've got someone focused on FF. And the bolded sentence seems to say the same thing I've said... you can't tell much from FF's posts as to what his role is...
If lab rat isn't even willing to give any merit to the other possibilities why would she have even brought them up? I think it is everyone's nature to go with what they feel is the most likely scenario but it doesn't mean that they don't give the others any merit. The fact that she mentions other possibilities means she has given them some merit.

FF hasn't been posting a flurry of nonsense but he did have one big slip up :


I would say it's pretty obvious that FF is on a communicating team. I would have no problem voting for him to get him lynched. Even if he turns out to be an innocent we could look at who was voting with him when he posted that and start to get an idea of who is most likely innocent.



Does this make sense to anyone? After FF's slip up he tries to cover it saying he wants to hear theories instead of instructions. FF has shown in previous games that when he talks he gets himself in trouble. If he were ever to be on team with me the very first thing I would say to him is DON"T SPEAK!!!!! After hearing the theories presented FF is saying that he is seeing logic that dawg is busting out and that he is beginning to think that Kash / Lab / Nood are innocent.

Two lines later FF is now saying that Kash has defended herself too much and that makes her scum so FF will be keeping the vote on her... Does that make sense? So if I understand that correctly kash is looking innocent but she has defended herself so she must be scum? Things like that makes me feel that you are railroader FF.


I vote to lynch FF!
I can't help but notice how much space is being spent on FF even after saying clearly that you can't tell. How is it all the sudden "clear"... because FF isn't making sense? Does he ever?

I don't get how FF is confused. I was under the impression that he was the confusing everyone else. If he's able to do that shouldn't he be able to at least pick out someone he thinks scum?

I for one think that FF is scum. His play style has varied too much this game. When he wasn't posting people got suspicious. I'm thinking that has to do with his teammates telling him to not say much. Once people picked up that he reversed and is back to non sense confusing people up posting. Not to mention that he has slipped the whole "tell me if i need to change my vote post" and he has been contradicting himself every other post and sometimes in the same post.
Wow... with everything else that's gone on, this is really the best thing to analyze?

One thing is certain. I will never understand your logic!


umm


that seems rather defensive to me

The last bit is referring to Coler's first post.I don't get how it was defensive at all.

anyone have any idea what current vote count is looking like? thanks

I retract my vote on FF and I vote to lynch Coler.

Coler seems scummier then kashta at this point in the game.
So, wait a holdit. I'm a little confused. You spent like 8 paragraphs describing a) that you can't tell what FF's role is from his posts because "when he's innocent or a good guy the posts scream scum", and then b) why you're terribly convinced FF is a RRer. Then one sentence about Coler's defensiveness and he switches his vote because Coler seems scummier than Kash at this point. I think there was one vague reference to Coler's comment earlier... buried in FF bs.

well that sucks. so how does lab rat's theory #5 look now?
A little more credible than before nightfall I'd say, thanks for asking.

yeah you missed the whole part about kashta being innocent when you voted against her...
Again to FF.

I have been going over what has happened since scum got kashta lynched. Lab rat has made sense to me since the very beginning. She has never changed her position. She though Kashta was IW and that noods was scum. She was right!!! What I am really not understanding is why did Wiz start blaming lab rat for calling the situation like it really was? He is going hardcore after lab rat for being correct, it really doesn't make any sense to me. The only thing I can think of is that Wiz was the person who got turned.

I would say the best plan would be to take out coler now. There is nothing that can be learned from Noods by the voting of / against. Coler had come under scrutiny in the very beginning when he defended Noods like 3 secs into the game (well partially pregame...) and then the voting for kashta last night?! if that wasn't a preplanned play I don't know what is. If I had to guess the evil team i would say:

Noods
Coler
FF
Wiz - got turned last night

I'm not sure if there would have been more then 3 to start with since they have the ability to convert more people and starting with 4 or 5 could make for very quick game with tiny bit of luck of hits / lynches. If there were 4 to start out with I think Jpap is in need of a plastic glove examination.
So here, Dag defends Labby while also suggesting that we take out Coler. What caused the sudden change in tactic, Dag? Why were you so hot for FF, now all the sudden you switched without any real reasoning other than Coler's post seemed a little defensive. I'll come back to your list after nightfall.

when did i ever target LR? If i ever targeted anyone it was you.
Again to FF. At least you admit targeting him. Interesting choice of words too... little Freudian slip?

So basically, I'm seeing some things that could be just a misguided innocent, or a RRer working to focus attention on an X factor (FF). Wiz did this same thing, and I didn't like it then either.

I'm going to keep Dag high on the list until we find out what happens at nightfall. I'm going to sleep on it and place my vote before I go to work tomorrow. I'm 95% now that Wiz will get my vote. I think we have the most to learn from it since he's been the highest poster out of what seems to be the consensus top 3... Noods, Coler, Wiz. I think we'd have the most to learn from how he interacted with whom.
 
Maybe, but I don't get the feeling Dag is on a scum team. If he was he would have taken any chance to tear into me or discredit me that he could have (gotta love little brothers). Of course it would have been in a subtle manner, but nothing he's posted has seemed scummy to me and his posts, though few, have seemed pro-town.
I have to say Labby, I disagree with you here a little. I understand that you and Dag are siblings. But I don't know that I believe you'd be able to read him in this format as well as you think. Heck Kash and Wiz are a couple and they've both said they can't get a read on eachother. You say you don't get a scum feel, I don't get a town feel. And I don't think he would necessarily take the tact of attacking you because he can and he's your little brother. He seems way smarter than being that petty.
 
Meh, screw it... I vote to lynch the Wiz. For the plethora of reasons stated previously.
 
Ok, Jb, i saw you asked me a question, now ill answer it:
I changed from wanting noods to wanting noods gone beacuse kashta turned up good, and an IW at that. I figured noods was definitely evil at that point and have been voting for her ever since. Of course i was like, the third person to vote and the second for noods, so dont complain.
 
Where is Annie? He spent more time posting an elaborate story in the sign up thread, but now that the game has started he makes a lone, non-helpful post and disappears.

Sorry Labby. Last week was a little hectic. I can assure you, I will do better.

And still nothing from Annie...he was reading the thread earlier, why has he not posted anything?

Trying to read is what you mean to say. Trying to get on the computer with two kids during March Break is a task easier spoken of than acomplished...

That being said, I am caught up. I spent all morning reading the thread in its entirety. It was alot to try and digest.

I vote to lynch Noods.

My thoughts:

Anyone willing to entertain the idea of "pocket mafia" is scummy IMO.

I need to go back and check, but I believe JB, Dawg and Lab have all posted nonsense about the merits of keeping Noods alive.
 
My only question is, when do we decide when it's ok to lynch Noods? I feel as if by the time we do, it will be because we have lynched an innocent which gives the RROs a chance to recruit a farmer and essentially double up on us.

It is OK to lynch Noods whenever the Town thinks it's OK. If it's tonight then let's do it tonight. If it's not tonight I would say we can't wait any longer than tomorrow to pull the trigger on Noods. JMO.
 
cant we just kill her to get it over with?
 
I realize that but if we take out Noods the other immigrant worker is fair game. If we keep Noods around and they hit the immigrant worker Noods dies along with them. That is why towards the end of the day I realized Kash was telling the truth.

Please explain to me, as if I were my retarded sister AndiesNotOk, how you thought you were going to get this balloon off the ground? Its gonna need alot of hot air if you're gonna make it fly.
:swear: No one thought my theory had merit...

I vote to lynch Coler. Lets keep Noods as "pocket mafia".

Hahahaha. Pocket mafia. Another of your patented scumspiracies seems to be afoot. More hot air for Dawgs balloon.

I vote to lynch Coler

Dawg, are you entirely sure Coler is a scumbag? If so, I'd be willing to look at your proof. What I see so far has me leaning him towards the scumbag side, but I wouldn't bet the farm at this point.

Are you betting the farm?

well that sucks. so how does lab rat's theory #5 look now?

Looks like I'm not the only one playing who's sister is ruint. Were you the one they turned Dag?

You're not sorry, you're scummy. I'm starting to think more and more you're scum.

Ones who I like for scum:
Noods
Coler
JB-possibly
FF-possibly
jpap-possibly

Noods jumping to save Coler was a total scumtell that Coler is mafia with Noods. If he weren't scum, she would (or should) have let it go to a coin flip as to not draw attention to herself. I feel the town is better served by lynching Coler first. It's what Kash wanted to do. Yes, getting rid of a known mafia is good, but I think it's also valuable to keep her around to see how she jumps during voting (like she did this past night).

About as valuable as keeping a hornets nest in the cupboard for fresh honey for my tea.

I'm thinking there is more than one and that is the reason Kash came off of Noods. Trust me I have no problem voting for Noods except I think it puts the other immigrant worker(s) in jeopardy.

Keep blowing Dawg, keep blowing.

Killing Noods leaves other immigrant worker(s) open to be flat out killed by the railroad scum. With Noods alive, if the railroad scum take out another immigrant worker then Noods dies too. Now maybe they decide to hit another immigrant worker and lose Noods anyway, but I doubt that would happen. They don't want to drop their numbers like that. What Noods did to save Coler proves Coler is scum. Why is that hard for you to see?

So if I'm 85% convinced Coler is a scumbag, and I am, you believe I should risk hanging another innocent over voting for someone I'm 100% convinced is a scumbag.

You may very well be mistaken. It was not spelled out in the rules whether each immigrant worker would know the identity of a DIFFERENT railroad owner or not. It is very possible that JL did not want to expose the scum team that much, so decided to just expose a sole railroad owner.

:wall:

Keep blowing Lab, keep blowing.

Wiz, all I can say is you could not be more wrong about me...and I'm pretty sure you're wrong about Dawg as well.

I'm pretty sure that a frog with wings wouldn't bump its arse everytime it jumped. I'm equally sure that if the dog hadn't stopped for a crap he might have caught the rabbit.

I don't understand the reasoning behind keeping Noods alive. How does voting Noods expose the other immigrant worker(s)? The mafia still have to guess. If that person is chose to be hit then they die too, along with the RR person. So it's a trade off. If we lynch Noods, we start tipping the numbers in our favor. This game, at its core, will always be about numbers. That's why I've never agreed with "pocket mafia".

I hope JL will clarify the rule. I also would like either Lab or Dawg to explain what they mean because I don't see how lynching Noods in anyway harms the immigrant worker. Even if they are targeted after we lynch Noods they die, but Noods is dead so it's still a tradeoff.

I find myself broadly agreeing with this post.

I do not think any clarification is needed.

A question so ruint, JL found no reason to even clarify it.

Come on, jpap...this is not a good idea for obvious reasons. Scum will be voting for Noods themselves, as not to expose themselves. Noods is now "pocket mafia", we all know her role. I could see putting Coler up against Wiz or yourself at this point. But not Noods.

Again, explain to me, as though I were my dearly sainted sister Andie, how keeping Noods alive is going to help the town in any way?
 
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