Mafia #7 -- The Play

[KingOfTheDeep]

The only reason I am posting is because I was asked my thoughts.

I am glad KOTD is posting about who is innocent. I would have hell bent to vote for wata if it was not for KOTD investigation. I also think that many would have posted for me if not for KOTD investigation.

I am not even worried about the mafia hitting me. The longer we can keep KOTD in the game the better.

I think it was a mistake to let mystery player live.

I know this much, the mafia are not going to hit mystery player. Why, because they add to the confusion. I sure bet sploke and dangerdoll wished we voted mp yesterday.

We all thought sploke. Well why did we think sploke? I am not even sure why.

I know that I thought HN was less mafia than sploke, so where does that leave HN. HN could have voted for the train I was trying to start, but did not. That says something, the heat was on him.


If the people in this town think that it is good for the town to have mystery player around and lynch someone else, then they will have to do it with out me.

I see no better canidate at this time.

I guess if I had to choose someone else to vote for it would be madcrawdad.

im still on the fence with MP..but i am more suspicious of him/her after today.

i also agree with what is in red, this also makes mad seem somewhat suspicious since he seems hellbent on keeping MP around.

maybe..lynching MP would benefit us whether they are mafia or not..having this player gone relieves us of a lot of confusion.

it is somehwhat clear that they are not for the town IMO..no informative posts..nothing..s/he seems to have a "whatever happens, happens" attitude..not much care for the town..im not sure on them yet..its hard to decide on who to go after right now..i'd like to hear some other opinions..not from JL CS or mad


i like MP and HN as targets..

 

[Hooked Newbie]

Well thanks for the bit about JL66, it now puts a mafia target on his back, but it saves me lots of typing, as the whole 'let's lynch MP' had him leaning way mafia for me....

So now we have a pool of known innocents to work from...

Known Innocents
KOTD
Wata
JL66
Madcrawdad -> I realize that I'm only known to myself but I'm putting myself there because it will help with my own analysis.

There's only room for 2 more townies on the above list.... Who are they? Let's try to study who is left...

Suspects -> 5 are mafia, 2 are townies
Hooked Newbie
Mee-mee
JPappy
Plantling
Joander
Charlie Stubbs
Deputy Chief JR
(Note: I've purposely left Mystery Player out of the analysis as their status will just confuse things since we no longer really know how many townie or mafia slots there really are)


Now, I don't really expect the known innocents (or true remaining townies) to assume my innocence....

Known innocents feel free to toss me into the suspect pool and think about who would fill the remaining 3 townie slots.

True unknown innocents feel free to toss me into the suspect pool and include yourself in the known innocents pool. Then think about who would fill the remaining 2 townie slots...


Finally, JL66, I know you're hellbent on lynching MP at this time. For the town's sake, I really wish you would set aside your issue with MP and at least concentrate on some other suspects. I realize that MP may be mafia, but a random lynch at this point could hurt us. If we're really going to random lynch, I'd prefer that it come from the suspect pool above, as there's a 5 in 7 chance of hitting mafia there...(5 in 8 if you toss me back in, which is still better than the 50/50 we face with lynching MP). That said, though, I'd really prefer we don't random lynch anyone.

Unless you feel that you have great evidence that MP is mafia (and your evidence doesn't just include the fact that MP has irritated you), I really wish we would deal with them further down the road.

Mad- I notice that you don’t even consider the MP a suspect. Why not? At this point he or she is a 50 / 50 right? And they are definitely not the Doctor. You seem to be really going out of your way to put up a defense for them. You also posted a case on me which was very “solid” based on which quotes you picked and chose. Show me where I’ve done something anti-town. A vote on an innocent? I’ve been treading lightly around you only because everyone seems to think you are innocent and tends to follow you blindly. I’m done doing so. It’s about time your votes and actions were questioned. I challenge you to post both your voting history and mine (I’m sure you’ll include commentary, so feel free).

Ole wise one… how is it that within an hour of night you have so many innocents on your list?

I probably won't get a chance to get on until later today, so just wanted to post a list of suspects in the event I get hit tonight. Not saying that if I end up dead that you should lynch them all, just study them hard.

Hooked Newbie - for reasons given

Deputy - Accused me of having few posts on Day 1 and of being agreeable...went on to say how smart Ice was for calling out Swayde as mafia. Clearly not reading the thread, as Ice was more than willing to drop the Swayde fiasco in mine and Chas' laps even before she was lynched. He then goes on to vote Wata, as he claims he wants to 'kick down some doors.' Quite frankly, it doesn't look like he's even been ringing any doorbells.

JL66 - JL's been mostly agreeable with other people's picks this game. I don't recall seeing him really go after anyone on his own, other than the Mystery Player. Really willing to lynch MP 'just because'. Maybe MP is mafia, maybe they're not....JL's not willing to wait to find out.

Joander - slipped up on Day 1 and showed that he's not always reading the thread closely. He also said in a recent post that he didn't see Hooked Newbie as being all that suspicious. As soon as I voted for HN, though, HN responds and now Jo's immediately calling him suspicious?

Sploke - Sploke showed that he wasn't reading particularly closely either with some of his questions/comments in the game. This recent tactic of posting 'notes to self' in the thread makes me wonder. Is Sploke now acting mentally challenged in the hope we'll overlook his slip-ups?

You questioned Jo, but apparently didn’t care if you received an answer…

Here's the thing, Jo.... vote how you want, but I don't think that your vote was needed to lynch Sploke, either. So why move it now? Do you know something about Sploke and want to be on the winning horse if Sploke ends up as mafia?

Is this defense of Jo or truly questioning me?

Right...Ice died and was revealed as the snitch. Viola, KOTD was a known innocent. Yet, immediately after that is when you jumped on Jo for the third day in a row. You didn't care about voting with a known innocent then. Only since you've been called out have you been interested in voting elsewhere.

And now you seem to be going out of your way to “guide” the Detective’s actions…

It's a tough call...townies would need to have time to revote, mafia could vote late (and give some excuse) so you couldn't see a train coming, mafia could also leave their vote parked and claim to have never seen your warning.

Maybe just withold an investigation unless you think that a townie is in serious jeapordy of being lynched. Not necessarily just through votes, but you'll need to gauge what transpired the day before, and then try to figure how likely a particular candidate is to be lynched. Kind of like with Wata. Had you not intervened early, talk from around the town from the day before indicated that she probably would have been lynched..

So, I don't know which method is best. While I thought I did at first, it's now clear that there are potential problems with each.

The good news it that you only need to find 3 more innocents and then everyone else is mafia (who really knows with MP, though).

 

[KingOfTheDeep]

i wonder if neo is the mystery player. . . .

spelling is too good

 

[wataugachicken]

the snitch list was

Ice - dead, mafia
Sploke - dead, innocent
Plantling
Charlie

There was suspicion on sploke almost from the very beginning, which makes me think that's why he was on the list. people were already looking in his direction, so throwing his name out there kinda pushed us to go that way. Now, the snitch only HAD to put one mafia name on the list. How comfortable are we that Ice might be the only one on it? I am especially suspicious of Plantling now, because I agreed with his/her argument about Sploke (unfortunately) and also because of why Plant was trying to wait for me or KOTD to vote first. That really should have hit harder on my radar but it didn't.

 

[KingOfTheDeep]

the snitch list was

Ice - dead, mafia
Sploke - dead, innocent
Plantling
Charlie

There was suspicion on sploke almost from the very beginning, which makes me think that's why he was on the list. people were already looking in his direction, so throwing his name out there kinda pushed us to go that way. Now, the snitch only HAD to put one mafia name on the list. How comfortable are we that Ice might be the only one on it? I am especially suspicious of Plantling now, because I agreed with his/her argument about Sploke (unfortunately) and also because of why Plant was trying to wait for me or KOTD to vote first. That really should have hit harder on my radar but it didn't.

this is what i said yesterday, i don't trust that list AT ALL

BUT

i like CS as a target, not sure on plantling..

 

[Hooked Newbie]

the snitch list was

Ice - dead, mafia
Sploke - dead, innocent
Plantling
Charlie

There was suspicion on sploke almost from the very beginning, which makes me think that's why he was on the list. people were already looking in his direction, so throwing his name out there kinda pushed us to go that way. Now, the snitch only HAD to put one mafia name on the list. How comfortable are we that Ice might be the only one on it? I am especially suspicious of Plantling now, because I agreed with his/her argument about Sploke (unfortunately) and also because of why Plant was trying to wait for me or KOTD to vote first. That really should have hit harder on my radar but it didn't.

It all depends on which team put this list out. The thing I'm afraid of is that it was put out by the new mafia, knowing that Ice was on the already on the chopping block. That leaves Plant and Charlie, neither of which has struck me as very suspicious.

 

[mystery player]

MP you keep saying i started a train on you before you had a chance to make a "real" post. 24 hours later you still haven't made one. Your first list (DD,JL,CS) has three innocents on it. Your voted for who we now know is a known innocent (JL) and why again??? Oh yeah, because he voted for you. Now you gives us another list you give no reason why HN is on your list, and you add i am on it because i voted for you. Hmmmmmmmm....is the whole town wearing blinders??? How is this guy helping us??? Mafia Game 8 guest starring MP??? MP the others don't seem to think your a threat, but your not fooling me princess. The free ride is over.

You are inaccurate, i was given permission to enter the game at roughly 10.00 pm, and made a showing, my first real post in the game was the next day at roughly 11.00 am, is that 24 hours to you, also i haven't voted for any one yet this go around, more inaccurate info, your 3rd mistake, you have been on my list from the start, it appears that you are purposely trying to confuse the other players with lies and accusations, like i said before, your very nervous and as long as I'm here you have a right to be, which is why your on the Lynch train, seems like your running away, just don't trip over your own feet,,,,,, oh, i think you already have......

 

[jpappy789]

I agree that as of right now Swayde is suspect, but I'm concerned about an overwhelming train forming that would negate any more info. At this point I'm a bit curious about jpappy and Jo. Jpappy for nothing more than a feeling (and, no I'm not pulling a CL) his posts just seem to be in odd "clusters". Jo, because to be caught up and miss the reason for Ice's vote seems very odd. That has been the focus of most of the actual non-chit chat converation. To keep discussions going....

I vote to lynch Joander.

Pulls my name out of the hat for night one and mentions clusters...

Well folks, that sucked and didn't. Sorry Swayde! I was never convinced, but oh well... I'll miss the slurpees. At least they are killing themselves again!

From my previous post on those voting for swayde in a pack... (Mad 144 DD 145 Jo 149 DC 152).

Since Jo was my vote tonight and appears in this list...

I vote to lynch Joander.

Let's not all jump on anybody in particular. We need discussion. Obviously the massive voting for one person is the wrong thing to do and can't possibly help out the town. I'd like to ask for everyone's top 3 or so and why. My vote isn't in stone yet and I'll move it if another "train" forms.

Was never convinced of Sway being maf? Well none of us were 100%. Asks for people's suspects but is going after joander without mentioning anyone else...that last sentence also confuses me...are you going to move your vote if a train is formed on jo...or are you going to move to a different train if one is started? Well, both options seem suspicious to me...

Ok, I'll take the blame then. Better to get votes out early for discussion and reaction than to wait to the end. I'd like to hear from anone who voted for Swayde, especially those that voted so closely together.

Almost an "I told you so" kind of post. So basically you want to hear from everyone except you because you knew she wasn't mafia all along?

Wow Mad... that is a great case, off-target and wrong, but very logical. I did use the word "cluster" and was looking at who voted together. I was frustrated that no discussion was going on. On those points you are absolutely correct. I've been voting for someone I think is mafia from the start and was against the Swayde vote, but no one has been willing to look or listen.

As far as I can tell, you were more gunning for jo and didn't want a train, not convinced that sway was innocent so if you are trying to clear your name because you knew it all along, not buying it! oh and here's your list from night one below... and maybe you could start more dicussion by not going after the same person EVERY day!!!

My thoughts so far on some folks...

Jo- My only strong (as strong as they get for day 1) suspect. See below. Looks like there really may be some "speed reading" going on.

Swayde- The first suspicions were cast because of the warnings about not having much time to post (in both threads). The flurry of posts last night is more alarming to me than that was.

Sploke- Voting by "gut feeling" for which I believe he and other's (myself included until I figured out CL) bashed CL for.

Ice- The "back-peddle" is curious. The explanation is plausible, but I don't necessarily believe it (or anything else) 100%.

KOTD- Wouldn't be on and then thought today to look at when the game was (after being called out by a few people for low posts)

Ok, you're right. I used the word. I was concerned about a train forming early and it did. If speaking out against that is a reason to hang me, by all means do so. I'm still gonna look for people I think might be mafia though and I didn't believe Swayde was which is why I didn't vote for her.

Wait, I thought you didn't vote because you didn't want to blend in like the mafia do...oh so you DIDN'T actually think she was mafia...my eyes must be going bad or something

I don't mind you voting for me, but you're basing it on the fact that I admitedly was concerned about a train forming on an innocent? Have you even read back or did Rb make it easier for you by putting you into the crumbling Old mafia so that you wouldn't really have to read through all the posts to catch up?

Wow! Enough! You keep trying to clear your name because you were concerned about an innocent...that's bs! You admited she was a suspect and while I can see why you weren't for the sway train because of the whole train part, don't say you weren't for it because she was innocent...NONE OF US KNEW THAT NIGHT ONE, INCLUDING YOURSELF!!!

I understand why I'm on the list and you are right about me not being able to contribute as much this game. The reasons for that are unrelated to the game. I've got today all to myself so I'll try to go back through everything and get what I can posted. Even if I'm lynched or hit, I want to see the town's winning streak extended.

Well you sure expect a lot of discussion even when you admit to not being able to contribute yourself...

Anyone have any thoughts on Jo? If not, I'm going to retract my vote.

I may go out on a limb and vote for DC. He viewed the thread for several hours today without ever gracing us with a post even after I posted my list.

I will change my vote only with the known innocents (Wata or King).

MP- you do appear a bit suspicious (if you're Neo, please don't ban me! lol), but I like that you are initiating alot of conversation. That has been lacking. I don't believe JL is mafia though.

Odd...after a few days of nobody else voting for jo, hn decides to give up...and I called dc out on that last game...he leaves his browser open...ok now you going to follow!? Weird thing to say for someone who is against following, trains, and such...

Thanks for the list. I agree with 2 of the 3. JL hasn't struck me as suspicious yet. Maybe paranoid, but not "scummy". The votes were not wasted IMO. I did not vote for Swayde, and Ice was gone without my vote though I would've switched to him if it would have made a difference. Like I said, I voted to keep you on the radar. I still have a "vibe" on you, but at this time I think I may have a better suspect.

I retract my vote for Joander.

Makes it clear one more time...

Choo Choo.

Here's my better suspect. I vote to lynch Deputy.

And now goes out on a limb!:hang: (and get's stuck) Sorry couldn't resist...but honestly with the reason stated in the above quote that is lame! Is that even a good reason to vote?

That wasn't absolutely apparent until night when Ice died. With Ice's reactions afterwards it did become more and more of a given though. There were others that were actually skeptical of KOTD's claim. Had my vote been a swing vote or if it even got close between Ice and someone else, I would have voted Ice. Don't you think I would've moved it if I wanted to "blend in"? I left my vote where it was for the exact reason that I stated which was to keep Jo on the radar. I failed miserably at that though since no one has wanted to even discuss him this game.

Yes. As stated I will move my votes with the known innocents, now that we have them.

Blending-in vs. following the innocents like everyone else is...hmmm do you see a difference?

Jo- I think he is mafia through and through. I will not come off this vote regardless of whether or not a train forms on me. He switched off me late (10 minutes left) to vote for Sploke. I don’t believe he cares who goes as long as he nd his buddies are safe.

DC- Very little input until put on the spot. Loves the defensive vote, posts only when his name is mentioned, and hasn’t been much help to the town IMO. And here is hn's reason for voting DC (none of this was mentioned when voting for DC) But notice he is not above jo on the list...not sure if that means anything though

Jpappy- Most posts are complete nonsense and of no help whatsoever to the town. Didn’t even bother to vote last night.

Mystery- I don’t see much that’s been helpful so far. I was willing to give the benefit of the doubt the first day, but he/she went after and voted for a now known innocent (JL).


Same list, same suspects. Feel free to lynch me, but please compare this list afterwards with the names that have been voting innocents off. If I’m not lynched, please investigate me KOTD.

I vote to lynch Joander.

Ok, now votes joander again even after saying that he is failing at getting people to recognize him (above quote).

I retracted my vote saying that I thought I had a better suspect. As soon as DC jumped on Mad's vote for me, it sealed it for me. He never posted any suspicions on me just followed along after I had posted a case on him. That didn't look suspicious to you?

Wait, now we have ANOTHER reason why hn votes for dc...wonder why this wasn't stated (along with the other "reasons") when you voted...


I vote to lynch Hooked Newbie

edit:removed quote that wasn't even by hn...

 

[Madcrawdad]

Mad- I notice that you don’t even consider the MP a suspect. Why not? At this point he or she is a 50 / 50 right? And they are definitely not the Doctor. You seem to be really going out of your way to put up a defense for them. Not true. I'm against lynching anyone without evidence...it's anti-town. They may be mafia, they may be townie...notice that I wasn't interested in just tossing DD on Day 1, either.

You also posted a case on me which was very “solid” based on which quotes you picked and chose. Show me where I’ve done something anti-town. A vote on an innocent? I’ve been treading lightly around you only because everyone seems to think you are innocent and tends to follow you blindly. Yeah right, I seem to recall as an innocent a few games back you were jumping up and down screaming 'We need to kill Madcrawdad...' I was an innocent then too. Now I'm supposed to believe that you're a scared little puppy.

I’m done doing so. It’s about time your votes and actions were questioned. I challenge you to post both your voting history and mine (I’m sure you’ll include commentary, so feel free) If you want to see it, feel free to pull it....Yours should be easy. Jo, Jo, Jo, switch to DC when the heat comes[/FONT][/SIZE]

Ole wise one… how is it that within an hour of night you have so many innocents on your list?I'm not detective (never claimed to be old or wise, you just assumed)...you were there, though...right on top.


You questioned Jo, but apparently didn’t care if you received an answer…Can't force him to post....



Is this defense of Jo or truly questioning me?Not defending Jo...I put him on my list of suspects.




And now you seem to be going out of your way to “guide” the Detective’s actions…He asked my opinion

See a possible opening and figure you'll take it, huh Newb? I would, too. Nice try. As soon as JL said he thought I could be mafia, I knew that I'd be hearing from you...

I was going to save this for a little later, but it seems you've tipped your hand. I vote to lynch Hooked Newbie

 

[Hooked Newbie]

Well thanks for the bit about JL66, it now puts a mafia target on his back, but it saves me lots of typing, as the whole 'let's lynch MP' had him leaning way mafia for me....

So now we have a pool of known innocents to work from...

Known Innocents
KOTD
Wata
JL66
Madcrawdad -> I realize that I'm only known to myself but I'm putting myself there because it will help with my own analysis.

There's only room for 2 more townies on the above list.... Who are they? Let's try to study who is left...

Suspects -> 5 are mafia, 2 are townies
Hooked Newbie
Mee-mee
JPappy
Plantling
Joander
Charlie Stubbs
Deputy Chief JR
(Note: I've purposely left Mystery Player out of the analysis as their status will just confuse things since we no longer really know how many townie or mafia slots there really are)


Now, I don't really expect the known innocents (or true remaining townies) to assume my innocence....

Known innocents feel free to toss me into the suspect pool and think about who would fill the remaining 3 townie slots.

True unknown innocents feel free to toss me into the suspect pool and include yourself in the known innocents pool. Then think about who would fill the remaining 2 townie slots...


Finally, JL66, I know you're hellbent on lynching MP at this time. For the town's sake, I really wish you would set aside your issue with MP and at least concentrate on some other suspects. I realize that MP may be mafia, but a random lynch at this point could hurt us. If we're really going to random lynch, I'd prefer that it come from the suspect pool above, as there's a 5 in 7 chance of hitting mafia there...(5 in 8 if you toss me back in, which is still better than the 50/50 we face with lynching MP). That said, though, I'd really prefer we don't random lynch anyone.

Unless you feel that you have great evidence that MP is mafia (and your evidence doesn't just include the fact that MP has irritated you), I really wish we would deal with them further down the road.

Mad- I notice that you don’t even consider the MP a suspect. Why not? At this point he or she is a 50 / 50 right? And they are definitely not the Doctor. You seem to be really going out of your way to put up a defense for them. You also posted a case on me which was very “solid” based on which quotes you picked and chose. Show me where I’ve done something anti-town. A vote on an innocent? I’ve been treading lightly around you only because everyone seems to think you are innocent and follow you blindly. I’m done doing so. It’s about time your votes and actions were questioned. I challenge you to post both your voting history and mine (I’m sure you’ll include commentary, so feel free).

Ole wise one… how is it that within an hour of night you have so many innocents on your list?

I probably won't get a chance to get on until later today, so just wanted to post a list of suspects in the event I get hit tonight. Not saying that if I end up dead that you should lynch them all, just study them hard.

Hooked Newbie - for reasons given

Deputy - Accused me of having few posts on Day 1 and of being agreeable...went on to say how smart Ice was for calling out Swayde as mafia. Clearly not reading the thread, as Ice was more than willing to drop the Swayde fiasco in mine and Chas' laps even before she was lynched. He then goes on to vote Wata, as he claims he wants to 'kick down some doors.' Quite frankly, it doesn't look like he's even been ringing any doorbells.

JL66 - JL's been mostly agreeable with other people's picks this game. I don't recall seeing him really go after anyone on his own, other than the Mystery Player. Really willing to lynch MP 'just because'. Maybe MP is mafia, maybe they're not....JL's not willing to wait to find out.

Joander - slipped up on Day 1 and showed that he's not always reading the thread closely. He also said in a recent post that he didn't see Hooked Newbie as being all that suspicious. As soon as I voted for HN, though, HN responds and now Jo's immediately calling him suspicious?

Sploke - Sploke showed that he wasn't reading particularly closely either with some of his questions/comments in the game. This recent tactic of posting 'notes to self' in the thread makes me wonder. Is Sploke now acting mentally challenged in the hope we'll overlook his slip-ups?

You questioned Jo, but apparently didn’t care if you received an answer…

Here's the thing, Jo.... vote how you want, but I don't think that your vote was needed to lynch Sploke, either. So why move it now? Do you know something about Sploke and want to be on the winning horse if Sploke ends up as mafia?

Is this defense of Jo or truly questioning me?

Right...Ice died and was revealed as the snitch. Viola, KOTD was a known innocent. Yet, immediately after that is when you jumped on Jo for the third day in a row. You didn't care about voting with a known innocent then. Only since you've been called out have you been interested in voting elsewhere.

And now you seem to be going out of your way to “guide” the Detective’s actions…

It's a tough call...townies would need to have time to revote, mafia could vote late (and give some excuse) so you couldn't see a train coming, mafia could also leave their vote parked and claim to have never seen your warning.

Maybe just withold an investigation unless you think that a townie is in serious jeapordy of being lynched. Not necessarily just through votes, but you'll need to gauge what transpired the day before, and then try to figure how likely a particular candidate is to be lynched. Kind of like with Wata. Had you not intervened early, talk from around the town from the day before indicated that she probably would have been lynched..

So, I don't know which method is best. While I thought I did at first, it's now clear that there are potential problems with each.

The good news it that you only need to find 3 more innocents and then everyone else is mafia (who really knows with MP, though).

Hopefully this quotes correctly…

Originally Posted by Hooked Newbie http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1061074#post1061074
I agree that as of right now Swayde is suspect, but I'm concerned about an overwhelming train forming that would negate any more info. At this point I'm a bit curious about jpappy and Jo. Jpappy for nothing more than a feeling (and, no I'm not pulling a CL) his posts just seem to be in odd "clusters". Jo, because to be caught up and miss the reason for Ice's vote seems very odd. That has been the focus of most of the actual non-chit chat converation. To keep discussions going....

I vote to lynch Joander.

Pulls my name out of the hat for night one and mentions clusters... This was early on day one correct?
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Originally Posted by sploke http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1061808#post1061808
The speed with which this train on Swayde got going makes me really uneasy. If the mafia know she is innocent (or at least not on their own mafia team), they're going to be quick to jump on early. If she's an innocent, then thats 10 people rather than just 5 that will be willing to go along with it. With this many mafia I think we're going to have to be very wary of the trains getting started like this. Also, Ice so pointedly making it clear that, "hey, when we lynch an innocent, it wasn't my fault"...why making it that clear, you know something we don't?

Z's post from yesterday is still nagging at me, so just as an attempt to stir up some trouble

I vote to lynch ZSandmann

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Originally Posted by sploke http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1061512#post1061512
Meh I come and go. Depends a lot on what else is going on. I usually have a lot of free time at work so I'll post more during the day.

ZS was making me edgy right when the game started, I think it was mostly his post about people posting in groups, which he then said he didn't actually really look at. Mafia-ish tactic to start pointing fingers at things that don't exist. ALthough I don't think I've ever seen him play a game when he's been mafia so I don't know if his style changes at all.

I'm pretty much in tune with what has been stated about Jo and swayde so far, but I want to do my own looking tomorrow. The skimming business from jo was what did it...there have definitely been games when I barely skim everything to keep up, but its always been when I was mafia.

Charlie is usally more aggressive and talkative, but I've seen him on both sides so I don't know if that means anything. Will do some more looking tomorrow.

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Originally Posted by Hooked Newbie http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1062806#post1062806
Well folks, that sucked and didn't. Sorry Swayde! I was never convinced, but oh well... I'll miss the slurpees. At least they are killing themselves again!

From my previous post on those voting for swayde in a pack... (Mad 144 DD 145 Jo 149 DC 152).

Since Jo was my vote tonight and appears in this list...

I vote to lynch Joander.

Let's not all jump on anybody in particular. We need discussion. Obviously the massive voting for one person is the wrong thing to do and can't possibly help out the town. I'd like to ask for everyone's top 3 or so and why. My vote isn't in stone yet and I'll move it if another "train" forms.

Asks for people's suspects but is going after joander without mentioning anyone else...that last sentence also confuses me...are you going to move your vote if a train is formed on jo...or are you going to move to a different train if one is started? Well, both options seem suspicious to me... Yes, I’ve been going after Jo. Newsflash! Moving my vote if a “train” formed was in regards to me moving it OFF of Jo if too many people jumped on without good reasons. This was again, early in the game.
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Originally Posted by Hooked Newbie http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1062812#post1062812
Ok, I'll take the blame then. Better to get votes out early for discussion and reaction than to wait to the end. I'd like to hear from anone who voted for Swayde, especially those that voted so closely together.

Almost an "I told you so" kind of post. So basically you want to hear from everyone except you because you knew she wasn't mafia all along? I didn’t KNOW she wasn’t, but I felt I had better suspects and never did get any real answers.


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Originally Posted by Hooked Newbie http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1064062#post1064062
If this proves to be true... 5-IceH2O: johnlarson66 (286) joander123 (288) Plantling (299) KOTD (308) DangerDoll (339) DeputyChief (341)


Not believing it entirely yet, but I've suspected Jo all along and again he shows up on the list, just like he did for Swayde... Anyone want to discuss other people now?!

Go back and read this post compared to what was quoted and bolded...see if it makes ANY sense to you why this list of people voting for Ice was brought up...not sure what is trying to be accomplished here... This was in response to a post that Ice threw out (again early), before KOTD was “credible”.
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Originally Posted by Hooked Newbie http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1066507#post1066507
Wow Mad... that is a great case, off-target and wrong, but very logical. I did use the word "cluster" and was looking at who voted together. I was frustrated that no discussion was going on. On those points you are absolutely correct. I've been voting for someone I think is mafia from the start and was against the Swayde vote, but no one has been willing to look or listen.

As far as I can tell, you were more gunning for jo and didn't want a train, not convinced that sway was innocent so if you are trying to clear your name because you knew it all along, not buying it! oh and here's your list from night one below... and maybe you could start more dicussion by not going after the same person EVERY day!!! No one has ever discussed Jo. He’s been well protected by his teammates I think.


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Originally Posted by Hooked Newbie http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1062391#post1062391
My thoughts so far on some folks...

Jo- My only strong (as strong as they get for day 1) suspect. See below. Looks like there really may be some "speed reading" going on.

Swayde- The first suspicions were cast because of the warnings about not having much time to post (in both threads). The flurry of posts last night is more alarming to me than that was.

Sploke- Voting by "gut feeling" for which I believe he and other's (myself included until I figured out CL) bashed CL for.

Ice- The "back-peddle" is curious. The explanation is plausible, but I don't necessarily believe it (or anything else) 100%.

KOTD- Wouldn't be on and then thought today to look at when the game was (after being called out by a few people for low posts)


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Originally Posted by Hooked Newbie http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1066622#post1066622
Ok, you're right. I used the word. I was concerned about a train forming early and it did. If speaking out against that is a reason to hang me, by all means do so. I'm still gonna look for people I think might be mafia though and I didn't believe Swayde was which is why I didn't vote for her.

Wait, I thought you didn't vote because you didn't want to blend in like the mafia do...oh so you DIDN'T actually think she was mafia...my eyes must be going bad or something Huh? “I didn’t believe Swayde was (mafia) was which I didn’t vote for her.
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Originally Posted by Hooked Newbie http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1066642#post1066642
I don't mind you voting for me, but you're basing it on the fact that I admitedly was concerned about a train forming on an innocent? Have you even read back or did Rb make it easier for you by putting you into the crumbling Old mafia so that you wouldn't really have to read through all the posts to catch up?

Wow! Enough! You keep trying to clear your name because you were concerned about an innocent...that's bs! You admited she was a suspect and while I can see why you weren't for the sway train because of the whole train part, don't say you weren't for it because she was innocent...NONE OF US KNEW THAT NIGHT ONE, INCLUDING YOURSELF!!! Everyone was a suspect on day 1. She was not the best IMO. I don’t care about clearing my name. Think and post whatever you like.
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Originally Posted by Hooked Newbie http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1066983#post1066983
I understand why I'm on the list and you are right about me not being able to contribute as much this game. The reasons for that are unrelated to the game. I've got today all to myself so I'll try to go back through everything and get what I can posted. Even if I'm lynched or hit, I want to see the town's winning streak extended.

Well you sure expect a lot of discussion even when you admit to not being able to contribute yourself... I have contributed. I said “as much”. I’m on vacation now though and I think I’m beginning to get some very good leads.
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Originally Posted by Hooked Newbie http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1067339#post1067339
Anyone have any thoughts on Jo? If not, I'm going to retract my vote.

I may go out on a limb and vote for DC. He viewed the thread for several hours today without ever gracing us with a post even after I posted my list.

I will change my vote only with the known innocents (Wata or King).

MP- you do appear a bit suspicious (if you're Neo, please don't ban me! lol), but I like that you are initiating alot of conversation. That has been lacking. I don't believe JL is mafia though.

Odd...after a few days of nobody else voting for jo, hn decides to give up...and I called dc out on that last game...he leaves his browser open...ok now you going to follow!? Weird thing to say for someone who is against following, trains, and such... Why do I see good coaching from Mad here?
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Originally Posted by Hooked Newbie http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1067390#post1067390
Thanks for the list. I agree with 2 of the 3. JL hasn't struck me as suspicious yet. Maybe paranoid, but not "scummy". The votes were not wasted IMO. I did not vote for Swayde, and Ice was gone without my vote though I would've switched to him if it would have made a difference. Like I said, I voted to keep you on the radar. I still have a "vibe" on you, but at this time I think I may have a better suspect.

I retract my vote for Joander.

Makes it clear one more time...
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Originally Posted by Hooked Newbie http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1067402#post1067402
Choo Choo.

Here's my better suspect. I vote to lynch Deputy.

And now goes out on a limb! (and get's stuck) Sorry couldn't resist...but honestly with the reason stated in the above quote that is lame! Is that even a good reason to vote? DC jumped as soon as Mad voted. I know he was typing while Mad was, but it seems waaaay to coordinated or convenient.
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Originally Posted by Hooked Newbie http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1067924#post1067924
That wasn't absolutely apparent until night when Ice died. With Ice's reactions afterwards it did become more and more of a given though. There were others that were actually skeptical of KOTD's claim. Had my vote been a swing vote or if it even got close between Ice and someone else, I would have voted Ice. Don't you think I would've moved it if I wanted to "blend in"? I left my vote where it was for the exact reason that I stated which was to keep Jo on the radar. I failed miserably at that though since no one has wanted to even discuss him this game.

Yes. As stated I will move my votes with the known innocents, now that we have them.

Blending-in vs. following the innocents like everyone else is...hmmm do you see a difference? Yes, I do. I stand by my votes. I don’t want to blend in, I want to find the mafia.
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Originally Posted by Hooked Newbie http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1068414#post1068414
Jo- I think he is mafia through and through. I will not come off this vote regardless of whether or not a train forms on me. He switched off me late (10 minutes left) to vote for Sploke. I don’t believe he cares who goes as long as he nd his buddies are safe.

DC- Very little input until put on the spot. Loves the defensive vote, posts only when his name is mentioned, and hasn’t been much help to the town IMO. And here is hn's reason for voting DC (none of this was mentioned when voting for DC) But notice he is not above jo on the list...

Jpappy- Most posts are complete nonsense and of no help whatsoever to the town. Didn’t even bother to vote last night.

Mystery- I don’t see much that’s been helpful so far. I was willing to give the benefit of the doubt the first day, but he/she went after and voted for a now known innocent (JL).


Same list, same suspects. Feel free to lynch me, but please compare this list afterwards with the names that have been voting innocents off. If I’m not lynched, please investigate me KOTD.

I vote to lynch Joander.

Ok, now votes joander again even after saying that he is failing at getting people to recognize him (above quote). Yep. Why even post this? I believe Jo is mafia.
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Originally Posted by Hooked Newbie http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1067974#post1067974
I retracted my vote saying that I thought I had a better suspect. As soon as DC jumped on Mad's vote for me, it sealed it for me. He never posted any suspicions on me just followed along after I had posted a case on him. That didn't look suspicious to you?

Wait, now we have ANOTHER reason why hn votes for dc...wonder why this wasn't stated (along with the other "reasons") when you voted...


I vote to lynch Hooked Newbie Big shocker since several have already done so.