Mafia #7 -- The Play

[DeputyChiefJR]

Sorry if I feel no need to hide in the shadows like everyone else. Sometimes I'm on sometimes I'm off, if I feel the need to defend my actions I do but how amazingly useful is it to do so all the time? Sploke put up a handful of defenses and he was lynched anyway. I realize the crowd moves as it pleases. If I'm going to get lynched because I don't want to play invisible then so be it, but I've done so for 2 games now. Sploke and JL play the same way. I could sit and say everyone who plays invisible is guilty because they apparently have something to hide, but I don't. It's the way you choose to play but if you want to stalk my actions go for it. You went on your own for Jo for so long and then switched to me, which neither vote was one that anyone else went with. Why didn't you just stick to your guns with Jo again? Btw, you ask who I'll be on next? It'll be mee-mee since she was the next person on my list of suspects. I'm not going to make huge lists anymore because I realize it may be easier to weed out bad guys one at a time. Long lists haven't been overly helpful in the past and create lots of confusion so I'm going to start narrowing my search from now on and see if a new strategy works.

 

[Hooked Newbie]

HN, this is an example of 'clustering'...and you did use the word 'cluster' here, too (not so non-commitally, though). You've grouped myself, DD, Jo, and DC together, and are implying that we're all mafia. You're so sure about it, that you say you may even be hit that night for exposing us...all ON DAY 1


And again...although instead of 'cluster' you use 'pack'...then you actually vote for Jo based upon this.


Here you go again...


I think this pretty much shows that you WERE using 'cluster' in the same context as Z and Ice were...

I REALLY hope people read those quotes closely and not just your version of the cliff notes. I suggested that people look at you, I didn;t say you were mafia or looked suspicious even. It was a matter of the timing of your votes. It was day 1 and I was looking for anything that might have helped to find mafia instead of lynching an innocent. My bad, guess I'm guilty again huh?

Jo IS mafia. My basis has been varied and solid throughout. It just took you awhile to figure out how to defend him. I do notice how quiet he's become. I guess he's letting his minions do his bidding...

 

[DeputyChiefJR]

I REALLY hope people read those quotes closely and not just your version of the cliff notes. I suggested that people look at you, I didn;t say you were mafia or looked suspicious even. It was a matter of the timing of your votes. It was day 1 and I was looking for anything that might have helped to find mafia instead of lynching an innocent. My bad, guess I'm guilty again huh?

Jo IS mafia. My basis has been varied and solid throughout. It just took you awhile to figure out how to defend him. I do notice how quiet he's become. I guess he's letting his minions do his bidding...

My posting that night was soley based on what time I got home from the bar after watching the baseball game. Sorry if that fit so heavily in your "suspicious" schedule.

 

[Hooked Newbie]

Sorry if I feel no need to hide in the shadows like everyone else. Sometimes I'm on sometimes I'm off, if I feel the need to defend my actions I do but how amazingly useful is it to do so all the time? Sploke put up a handful of defenses and he was lynched anyway (Yeah, and who'd you vote for?). I realize the crowd moves as it pleases. If I'm going to get lynched because I don't want to play invisible then so be it, but I've done so for 2 games now. Sploke and JL play the same way (Big difference between them and you, they're innocent. Nice name dropping). I could sit and say everyone who plays invisible is guilty because they apparently have something to hide, but I don't. It's the way you choose to play but if you want to stalk my actions go for it. You went on your own for Jo for so long and then switched to me (your actions demanded it), which neither vote was one that anyone else went with. Why didn't you just stick to your guns with Jo again? Btw, you ask who I'll be on next? It'll be mee-mee since she was the next person on my list of suspects. I'm not going to make huge lists anymore because I realize it may be easier to weed out bad guys one at a time. Long lists haven't been overly helpful in the past and create lots of confusion so I'm going to start narrowing my search from now on and see if a new strategy works. (I'll be curious to see how that works out)

Keep posting.

 

[Hooked Newbie]

My posting that night was soley based on what time I got home from the bar after watching the baseball game. Sorry if that fit so heavily in your "suspicious" schedule.

Funny thing is, this wasn't even in response to you. A little over-anxious?

 

[DeputyChiefJR]

Keep posting.

A) I voted for you, which doesn't seem such a bad idea
B) Your intution hasn't been ridiculously reliable
C) My actions demanded it? I forgot when I posted a demand to vote for me...darn, I should stop doign that...Oh, wait, that's right I didn't...You voted for me which NO ONE else did....What an amazing help to the town you were that night.
D) We will see how it works out....Hopefully my vote will weed out another mafia person.

 

[DeputyChiefJR]

Funny thing is, this wasn't even in response to you. A little over-anxious?

If I read right I was in your "cluster" so I was responding to the reason my vote was in said "cluster."

 

[Hooked Newbie]

A)
C) My actions demanded it? I forgot when I posted a demand to vote for me...darn, I should stop doign that...Oh, wait, that's right I didn't...You voted for me which NO ONE else did....

When did I say that you posted demanding I should vote for you? Please... I'm ok being the only one to do so. I've done and am doing the same thing with Jo. The town will see the truth eventually.

 

[Hooked Newbie]

If I read right I was in your "cluster" so I was responding to the reason my vote was in said "cluster."

Here we go again. Keep posting that word. I merely mentioned that there was a group ("CLUSTER") of votes on someone close together and said that they warranted looking at. Would you disagree?

 

[Madcrawdad]

Folks, please read the red part of this recent HN post, where he claims that he wasn't using 'clusters' to cast suspicion on anyone.

I REALLY hope people read those quotes closely and not just your version of the cliff notes. I suggested that people look at you, I didn;t say you were mafia or looked suspicious even. It was a matter of the timing of your votes. It was day 1 and I was looking for anything that might have helped to find mafia instead of lynching an innocent. My bad, guess I'm guilty again huh? [/COLOR]

Jo IS mafia. My basis has been varied and solid throughout. It just took you awhile to figure out how to defend him. I do notice how quiet he's become. I guess he's letting his minions do his bidding...

HN, you're squirming, and your untruthfulness just exposed you further....

You say that you didn't even think that the 'cluster' was suspicious? Then what's up with the part saying that people should refer to this post if you're hit tonight?

If you're Innocent then I think we really need to look hard at those that voted for you later and especially in a cluster (Mad 144 DD 145 Jo 149 DC 152) and those that removed their votes. No vote KOTD? I'm not convinced of your innocence or guilt, but if mafia cool. If not, you're death won't be in vain.

Please refer to this if I am hit tonight (happens alot ).

The 'cluster' is, once again, not suspicious...but you admit to voting for Jo because he was in the 'cluster'.

Well folks, that sucked and didn't. Sorry Swayde! I was never convinced, but oh well... I'll miss the slurpees. At least they are killing themselves again!

From my previous post on those voting for swayde in a pack... (Mad 144 DD 145 Jo 149 DC 152).[/COLOR][/COLOR]

Since Jo was my vote tonight and appears in this list...

I vote to lynch Joander.

Let's not all jump on anybody in particular. We need discussion. Obviously the massive voting for one person is the wrong thing to do and can't possibly help out the town. I'd like to ask for everyone's top 3 or so and why. My vote isn't in stone yet and I'll move it if another "train" forms.

Here, for not being suspicious of the 'cluster' you want them (especially) to answer for Swayde's death. Why? You're not suspicious of them...

Ok, I'll take the blame then. Better to get votes out early for discussion and reaction than to wait to the end. I'd like to hear from anone who voted for Swayde, especially those that voted so closely together.

Here's where it gets good, Hooked Newbie. In this post, I start to complain about Z's use of clusters. I even mention the fact that Hooked Newbie is now using them also. Folks don't need to read the whole quote again, just pay attention to the bolded part

Z, your use of 'clusters' (as you like to call them) makes me a little nervous, and also makes me question your affilaition within the town. On Day 1 you tossed out the idea and even floated a couple of clusters. When JPap questioned you on the clusters, you admitted that you didn't even use the time stamp on the post to determine your clusters. Seems a little odd to me, seeing that the time stamp would be the only variable that would seem to make sense when creating the clusters. What were you hoping to achieve when clustering by posting order? If I recall correctly, folks in some of your clusters posted several hours apart.

I agree that there may be something to some clusters sometimes, but I'm not going to start voting for people based on them without an established pattern (especially on Day 1 or 2). Had you gone back and looked at previous games and said 'In Mafia 5, players A, B, and C frequently posted within minutes of each other, and all 3 ended up mafia...' and also given a few more cases, then I could buy into the idea. But you haven't. It appears that you're willing to start testing your theory in a 'live' game, which could have a very negative impact on the town.

Now others have also seized on the 'clusters'. HN is even painting me into one with Joander and DeputyChief for my vote on Swayde, even though I'm willing to share the engineer hat with Chas (Ice has made it REALLY clear that he doesn't want it).

Folks should vote for who they want to, but I think we need to be detectives and lynch based on facts. Not play statisticians and try to do a cluster analysis on data that's qualitative at best. Willingness to lynch somebody based on this untested cluster analysis sure seems anti-town to me.

Here's your response, my mafia friend...note the part "Is that 'cluster' of votes for an innocent not suspicious to you at all?" BINGO! WE HAVE A WINNER! I do believe you just said that the cluster was suspicious to you....

Now if everyone could go to the top of this post and see where HN said that the cluster was not suspicious to him, then refer to this quote again where he says it is.

I'm not trying to "paint" anyone into anything, I simply made an observation looking for responses and you and Jo are the only ones to do so, in very different ways. I'm not playing statistics at all, but rather looking for reactions. Is that "cluster" of votes for an innocent not suspicious to you at all?

HN, if I could, I'd vote for you twice tonight...