Mafia #70: The Time Vortex

Snake is the first thing that comes to my mind! :lipssealedsmilie:
 
With Kash flipping scum, I'm wondering about this post now, and my position on Ogre.
Kashta said:
/game off
Ogre, listen to this. I just put down my vote and scrolled up to see what I'd missed. And I saw your post.

You're not alone in your frustration with the game. It's really hard trying to decide who to vote for and who to wait with. We all have multiple suspects too.

But please don't hinge the outcome of a single lynch or any player's role as a basis for whether you continue to play or not.

Stay with us instead. We have truly missed you in the game. I'm real happy to see you return after being away so long. Please remember that even if (in the game) I end up voting you, suspecting you, or questioning you.

I'm glad Zsand came back too (even though he may not see that since he's under the gun too in this round.
/game back on
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It's Kash's little pep talk to Ogre where she seems to accept his frustration as genuine. Odd, as he was a supposed suspect of her's at the time.

Hard to tell if Kash was being genuine herself here, or distancing.
 
dirtydawg10 said:
I don't like Kash playing dumb on how this format works. Kash played this format and knows full well how it works. As others have stated she was the one who had nearly a photographic memory when it came to the KGB game yet she doesn't know how this game worked? Even I remembered how this game worked and my memory is not nearly as good as Kash's...IMO.



From the quote above she talks about her role in the gunslinger game. Yes you shot me Kash...and you died because I was innocent. You should have remembered that part too.



Horrible. Looks like he popped in just in time to keep from not having a post for 48hrs. This format you die for not posting within 48hrs. Wonder if that had something to do with it?



We do know LG's role though and Kash voted for her too...an innocent.



I believe JB is telling the truth. It makes no sense for scum to role claim in this format. Even if they don't get shot and the game day changes...they will be lynched the next day.



Scum does not get to shoot in this format, Wiz.



Wiz, you never replied to the question of why you think it would be a good idea for scum to role claim. If they had the numbers to end the game...yes. But they don't seem to have the numbers to end the game with 1 innocent kill.



I agree with Noods.
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Ok, just got home and in light of the games events, I am going back and will respond to the posts put to me in order so as to avoid a novel of a post that would rival war and peace in length.

I never said it would be a good idea for scum to role claim, however, IMO, in a game with only 3 CI and game over if they get hit I think it is an even worse idea for CI to role claim.
 
jbradt said:
OK... my take on events shortly after nightfall:
My first post indicating Kash. I put Noods in here too, mostly because I was still trying to hide my role at this point, so I didn't want to go directly after Kash. Keep in mind at this point, we had the invest results. I knew Kash was evil and was trying to figure out how to get it out there. This was at 942pm.
My second post indicating Kash more strongly. I meant it when I said this is the type of thing Ice used in that game. 945pm:



Kash's response at 948pm. This is the only response I get from her even after coming out pretty strongly at her.


Here we get a little break from the action as Kash adresses Zaffy and Labby a couple of times each. Kash's last post for the night comes at 1008pm.

At 1026pm, I post my long post about the case on Kash. Keep in mind, I knew she was scum but still wanted to keep my annonymity. I did my best to build a case which was admittedly tough. Though I think the thing of giving her scummates a chuckle in the thread with some of her statements was right on. Kash is a good player and hid her role well. I knew my case was flimsy, but hoped I could peak the interest of the GS.

Then at 1125, Wiz rides in on his horse and very adamantly does NOT defend Kash. He did well at first of not defending her. He came out pretty strongly at me though, which is really the same thing in my mind. I used this same tactic on him in fact in an earlier game when he started going after FF. I hammered him hard and he backed right off. It's not going to work on me, Wiz. I'm telling the truth.

Then Wiz responds to a comment Zaffy made. Wiz goes pretty far in twisting my words. If you go back to Wiz's original post, and look at what Zaffy posted; Wiz's interpretation is off. He's either mis-remembering or deliberately twisting what I said, and what Zaffy said. Wiz's post was at 1130.

Between then and 1254pm (the time of Wiz's last post for the evening, we get some beautiful examples of not defending someone:

I still don't get why you see me as a habitual low poster, Wiz. And yes, now that I have some real information that can help the town, my play changed. I think that's a pretty easy concept.

Still, Wiz. I can understand not trusting, but you're totally shutting down the possibility that I might be telling the truth. Like I said before, I appreciate skepticism; but you're not a skeptic, you're a hata. And that, in this case; screams scum to me.

Quick question, Wiz... which of the bolded quotes do you consider to be the least defending of Kash? Just curious.

Wiz has a good point in this post and I know it. I don't have enough in Kash's posts to convince anyone. This is where I start thinking of the RC.

OOOOHHHHH... Wiz seems to be getting upset. LOL. I better do as he suggests.

This was Wiz's last post at 1254pm. I've done that, Wiz. I came out with the RC post at somewhere around 106am. It still took a while to make the final decision to do it. In the end, it seemed to me that the mafia would already know that I was CI because I came out so strong on Kash; so the town might as well know it too. It also seems pretty obvious to me that Wiz is defending Kash pretty strongly. Both by out and out saying "she isn't scummy" and by saying I am. It's not so much that you doubt me, Wiz; that makes me question you, it's that you refuse to even admit the possibility that I'm telling the truth.

After Kash and Wiz, I'm still looking at Ogre. The biggest difference between Ogre's case and mine is that he tried to hint at role claiming CI without doing it. This is why I think he's likely scum too. I still have doubts about Wiz and Ogre. Kash I'm 100% certain.
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Again with the accusations of defending Kashta. I stated last night and this is the last time I will repeat this.

What I saw was you making a bold claim. You said it was in her posts and to look to her posts.

I asked you to pull those posts. You didn't, I see that you posted later that you didn't have a strong case against her. All I knew at the time was that you rang bells reminding me of Ogre.

So yes, I doubted you and saw your claims as scummy.

In the same conversation who wouldn't have considered you to be making a bold scummy move with your attack?

Then you came back with a role claim. At that point in time, it appeared as a last ditch effort by someone seeing what he was attempting to do go down the drain.

I may have not played many games but I have seen scum false role claim before and I am sure that I will see it again.

Based on what I have seen in the game thread that was the most logical thing to figure was going on.
 
WooHooooooo!!!!!!
jpappy789 said:
Locked and loaded, the gunslinger has their target in sight...as she steps outside from the local saloon, this will be anything but a showdown...

Kashta was mafia
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Nice shot, GS!!! So now the question comes down to where to go next...

the wizard said:
Again with the accusations of defending Kashta. I stated last night and this is the last time I will repeat this.

What I saw was you making a bold claim. You said it was in her posts and to look to her posts.

I asked you to pull those posts. You didn't, I see that you posted later that you didn't have a strong case against her. All I knew at the time was that you rang bells reminding me of Ogre.

So yes, I doubted you and saw your claims as scummy.

In the same conversation who wouldn't have considered you to be making a bold scummy move with your attack?

Then you came back with a role claim. At that point in time, it appeared as a last ditch effort by someone seeing what he was attempting to do go down the drain.

I may have not played many games but I have seen scum false role claim before and I am sure that I will see it again.

Based on what I have seen in the game thread that was the most logical thing to figure was going on.
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Wiz, everyone read the same conversation and nearly everyone came to the opposite conclusion you did.

Let me ask you this: who would you shoot next? who do you have leaning innocent? How do you feel about Ogre and his attempts at hinting toward being CI?

Basically you've got 2 choices, Wiz. You can either continue to harp on what a bad decision this was for me, or you can help the town find scum. I know which side I'd be on if I was you...
 
I am mafia scum...please shoot me so I don't have to UD...thanks.
 
Sorry for not being around much today... Had a lot going on. I'm now heading to an event at my kid's school, so I don't anticipate being back until later tonight.
 
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